(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

In article ,
(William) writes:

I would like to oblige Robert Casey. Steve should leave this group.

I'll second that. Nursie just doesn't present a good image for
U.S. amateur radio of today.

Amateur radio can be a fun hobby and enjoyed by thousands. But,
unlike what the PCTA extras contend, it is not a job, not a profession,
not a guild, not a craft, not a union, and certainly not some kind of
boot camp or basic training. Amateur radio is a civilian hobby, not a
military one.

U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to be employed as a
nurse. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to have a pilot's
license (with or without being a "pilot in command").

U.S. amateur radio operates by the very same physical laws as do
all othe radio services. Prior experience in other radio services is
helpful in understanding that physical law and theory but no more
essential to the hobby than nursing as a profession or having civilian
pilot licenses.

U.S. amateur radio is regulated by the FCC, an agency chartered to
regulate all U.S. civil radio. Absolutely no FCC commissioner or
staffer is required to hold any amateur radio license in order to regulate
U.S. amateur radio.

Morse code proficiency is NO LONGER any indicator of "qualification"
to operate on any HF bands. For most radio services it was NEVER
a requirement. While that is heretical in terms of worship of the Church
of St. Hiram, it is nevertheless true.

Having a valid U.S. amateur radio license does NOT automatically
make anyone any kind of "expert" on any subject outside of U.S.
amateur radio. In fact, it is not a guarantor of expertise within U.S.
amateur radio.



Agree on all points. Steve is a bad ambasador for the world's best hobby.

When will Steve be daparting?

I would like to get a "farewell and good luck" card and have everyone sign it.

bb

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

In article ,
(William) writes:

I would like to oblige Robert Casey. Steve should leave this group.

I'll second that. Nursie just doesn't present a good image for
U.S. amateur radio of today.

Amateur radio can be a fun hobby and enjoyed by thousands. But,
unlike what the PCTA extras contend, it is not a job, not a profession,
not a guild, not a craft, not a union, and certainly not some kind of
boot camp or basic training. Amateur radio is a civilian hobby, not a
military one.

U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to be employed as a
nurse. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to have a pilot's
license (with or without being a "pilot in command").

U.S. amateur radio operates by the very same physical laws as do
all othe radio services. Prior experience in other radio services is
helpful in understanding that physical law and theory but no more
essential to the hobby than nursing as a profession or having civilian
pilot licenses.

U.S. amateur radio is regulated by the FCC, an agency chartered to
regulate all U.S. civil radio. Absolutely no FCC commissioner or
staffer is required to hold any amateur radio license in order to
regulate
U.S. amateur radio.

Morse code proficiency is NO LONGER any indicator of "qualification"
to operate on any HF bands. For most radio services it was NEVER
a requirement. While that is heretical in terms of worship of the
Church
of St. Hiram, it is nevertheless true.

Having a valid U.S. amateur radio license does NOT automatically
make anyone any kind of "expert" on any subject outside of U.S.
amateur radio. In fact, it is not a guarantor of expertise within U.S.
amateur radio.



Agree on all points. Steve is a bad ambasador for the world's best hobby.

When will Steve be daparting?

I would like to get a "farewell and good luck" card and have everyone sign
it.

For what he's said about my wife...and your wife and family...I'd
never sign it. Spit on it, maybe.

LHA

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

In article ,
(William) writes:

I would like to oblige Robert Casey. Steve should leave this group.

I'll second that. Nursie just doesn't present a good image for
U.S. amateur radio of today.

Amateur radio can be a fun hobby and enjoyed by thousands. But,
unlike what the PCTA extras contend, it is not a job, not a profession,
not a guild, not a craft, not a union, and certainly not some kind of
boot camp or basic training. Amateur radio is a civilian hobby, not a
military one.

U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to be employed as a
nurse. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to have a pilot's
license (with or without being a "pilot in command").

U.S. amateur radio operates by the very same physical laws as do
all othe radio services. Prior experience in other radio services is
helpful in understanding that physical law and theory but no more
essential to the hobby than nursing as a profession or having civilian
pilot licenses.

U.S. amateur radio is regulated by the FCC, an agency chartered to
regulate all U.S. civil radio. Absolutely no FCC commissioner or
staffer is required to hold any amateur radio license in order to
regulate
U.S. amateur radio.

Morse code proficiency is NO LONGER any indicator of "qualification"
to operate on any HF bands. For most radio services it was NEVER
a requirement. While that is heretical in terms of worship of the
Church
of St. Hiram, it is nevertheless true.

Having a valid U.S. amateur radio license does NOT automatically
make anyone any kind of "expert" on any subject outside of U.S.
amateur radio. In fact, it is not a guarantor of expertise within U.S.
amateur radio.



Agree on all points. Steve is a bad ambasador for the world's best hobby.

When will Steve be daparting?

I would like to get a "farewell and good luck" card and have everyone sign
it.

For what he's said about my wife...and your wife and family...I'd
never sign it. Spit on it, maybe.

LHA

You've got a good point. He deserves no fond farewells.

But I'd buy the card, sign it, put postage on it, and maybe even
include a box of fine chocolates just to get rid of that crazy
*******.

But would he stay away?

In article ,
(William) writes:

You've got a good point. He deserves no fond farewells.

But I'd buy the card, sign it, put postage on it, and maybe even
include a box of fine chocolates just to get rid of that crazy
*******.

But would he stay away?

The great unknown.

This newsgroup essentially ceased to become any sort of discussion
forum quite some while ago. Certain individuals asserted (and
inserted) themselves as "leaders" and "knew what was good for
everything" (defining that whatever They did was "good" and what
They didn't like was "bad").

This newsgroup was created some years back to catch the
"discussions" on the Morse Code Test Issue, transferring it from
rec.radio.amateur.miscellaneous. Personal denigrations of those
against retaining the code test were numerous and rather ripe with
invective and insulting inuendo from those that championed the
mighty morse modes. That was long ago when the mighty morse
ruled the rank, status, privelege "qualifications" of amateurs in
that incredible multi-tiered license structure of pre-restructuring
circa 1997. No less than six classes of license for a hobby
activity...greater than the number of classes for commercial radio
operator licenses.

Those that had Made It Through all the tests and "qualifications"
entrenched themselves behind the "safety" of their mental
barricades and mighty accomplishments (greater than anyone
could possibly be in non-amateur radio). They claimed "turf" and
bragging rights and "ownership" of What All Good Hams Must Do.

Those "masters" were aided by the self-promoting prose of the
ARRL (which had yet to get as many as a quarter of all U.S.
hams in membership). ARRL stressed morse as the epitome of
ham-ness as it had ever since Hiram had been elected president-
for-life. It was a continuation of the equation ham = morseman,
the unstated but constantly implied ultimate goal that "should" be
a part of amateur life.

In other words, the ARRL continued on the ultra-conservative path
of keeping the past as present...and naturally promoting themselves
as "leadership" for all "right-thinking hams" who should join ARRL.
That's just a natural survival tactic of any fraternal order...to survive
they need membership and attraction to the league "product" is to
tell others what those others what the league leadership thinks
they want newcomers to hear. ARRL went a bit too far.

The no-code-test Technician license class never really stopped
growing since 1991. That class has become the Majority of all U.S.
amateur licensees...regardless of the rationalizations of the pro-
coders trying to play numbers games after the Restructuring.

Pro-coders just couldn't believe the reality. "No-code" went against
their religious concepts, personified by the equation ham=morseman!
All "real" hams knew, loved, had tested for "code" so that was a
universal, divine thing they seemed to think. An amazing aberration
of theirs, clinging to past standards and practices as if to life itself.

Meanwhile, the rest of the radio world, every other radio service,
either never adopted any morse modes or just quit using morse for
communications. The Maritime radio community itself voted in the
new GMDSS to replace the old, dramatic, fabled-in-story 500 KHz
morse distress frequency. When that was done there was no real
need for morsemanship anywhere...except in the religious beliefs
of the mighty macho morsemen, themselves angry and distressed
that their Nobel-grade accomplishments were not revered. Some
became outraged and vented on all "no-coders" in barrages of
invective. Pro-coders relieved themselves in public in disregard of
all, blessed by Those Of Their Kind.

The tombstone of morse code testing was put in place at WRC-03
when most of S25 was revised. Internationally. R.I.P. code testing.

Except, like some undead ghoul of the air, the pro-coder zombies
continue to haunt, to try to keep alive that equally-dead equation
ham=morseman. They vow revenge and retribution for themselves
not understanding that their anger is about their own False Beliefs.
They continue to take out that anger, relieving themselves by
denigrations of all who are "no-code." We are awash in their "relief"
to this day. No relief tube in sight.

Amateur radio is essentially a hobby, a pleasureable activity involving
radio communications arts done for personal enjoyment. Licensing
and regulations thereof are a result of the physics of all radio, to keep
order in what would (and was) an EM chaos. Licensing regulations,
like all laws, were never fixed, immuteable, imposed by a divinity.
Regulations must remain open to change just like all laws must
remain open for change.

Pro-coders are resistant to change. They want to fight to the death
for their "principles" (false religious beliefs) of having all desiring to
be involved in a radio hobby to be licensed like the pro-coders were
licensed. No less. They were "champions" of their day and want to
keep their self-perceived crowns. They are mighty...hear them roar!

Will that stop any pro-coder from relieving themselves in public?
I doubt it. Their code keys will have to be pried from cold, dead
fingers.

Will that stop any olde-tyme hamme from relieving themselves in
public? I doubt that, too. They have proclaimed Themselves as
"masters," a kind of royalty that will never, ever abdicate their
thrones. They Know What Is Good For All...Believe in what They
Believe. They are the Elite. Their blood is blue...cyanotic.

Independence of thought is a no-no, unthinkable. There is only
One Belief. That of a minority within another minority of hobbyists
headquartered in a small New England town. They lead. All
other hobbyists must follow. They say so. Only They Know What
Is Good For All. So be it.

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 9/2/2004 1:29 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(William) writes:

You've got a good point. He deserves no fond farewells.

But I'd buy the card, sign it, put postage on it, and maybe even
include a box of fine chocolates just to get rid of that crazy
*******.

But would he stay away?

The great unknown.

This newsgroup essentially ceased to become any sort of discussion
forum quite some while ago. Certain individuals asserted (and
inserted) themselves as "leaders" and "knew what was good for
everything" (defining that whatever They did was "good" and what
They didn't like was "bad").

Perhaps that was due to a determined effort by a certain unlicensed
individual to berate, antagonize, humiliate and otherwise manipulate the
newsgroup in a further effort to position himself a Lord, King and God or All
Radio Knowledge.

This newsgroup was created some years back to catch the
"discussions" on the Morse Code Test Issue, transferring it from
rec.radio.amateur.miscellaneous.

And of course any attempt to let IT evolve to anything ELSE is criminal.

Oh...wait...LENNIE is the one accusing AMATEURS of not evolving with
changes in technology and practice...but it's OK for HIM to insist that RRAP
not be used for any other purpsoe save one....

Well..ain't THAT a switch...?!?! (Not really...Lennie's as two-faced as
anyone can be...)

Personal denigrations of those
against retaining the code test were numerous and rather ripe with
invective and insulting inuendo from those that championed the
mighty morse modes.

As were personal denigrations uttered by those who champion the removal of
Morse Code testing.

That was long ago when the mighty morse
ruled the rank, status, privelege "qualifications" of amateurs in
that incredible multi-tiered license structure of pre-restructuring
circa 1997.

Whooooops. There goes Lennie's "I Hate Amateur Radio Rank, Status and
Priviledge Because It Diminishes My Commercial Rank, Status and Priviledge"
rant.

No less than six classes of license for a hobby
activity...greater than the number of classes for commercial radio
operator licenses.

And now there's only three.

Three more than YOU have, Lennie.

Those that had Made It Through all the tests and "qualifications"
entrenched themselves behind the "safety" of their mental
barricades and mighty accomplishments (greater than anyone
could possibly be in non-amateur radio). They claimed "turf" and
bragging rights and "ownership" of What All Good Hams Must Do.

Of course YOU would have us all spending 14 years in night school with and
a GROL to BE "qualified".

Not necessary. Just $10 and an hour ata a VE session.

Those "masters" were aided by the self-promoting prose of the
ARRL (which had yet to get as many as a quarter of all U.S.
hams in membership). ARRL stressed morse as the epitome of
ham-ness as it had ever since Hiram had been elected president-
for-life. It was a continuation of the equation ham = morseman,
the unstated but constantly implied ultimate goal that "should" be
a part of amateur life.

The only "prose" in Amateur Radio passed away a while back. was great on
a keyer, even in his late years.

In other words, the ARRL continued on the ultra-conservative path
of keeping the past as present...and naturally promoting themselves
as "leadership" for all "right-thinking hams" who should join ARRL.

FCC records on such things prove otherwise, but of course Lennie tends to
ignore things archived in federal documents.

That's just a natural survival tactic of any fraternal order...to survive
they need membership and attraction to the league "product" is to
tell others what those others what the league leadership thinks
they want newcomers to hear. ARRL went a bit too far.

If this were true, the ARRL could have taken the "sure-bet" path years
ago and pandered to the lowest common denominator.

Other Amateur Radio organizations and periodicals have tried that and
suffered for it. "Ham Radio", "Ham Radio Horizons", "73", et al.

League membership is around 170K.

Thier next closer competitor is "CQ" magazine, known for it's more "center
of the road" positionings, yet they only report a TOTAL printing of about 44K,
not even a third of the League's membership (of which we assume a magazine
"subscription" for each)

The no-code-test Technician license class never really stopped
growing since 1991. That class has become the Majority of all U.S.
amateur licensees...regardless of the rationalizations of the pro-
coders trying to play numbers games after the Restructuring.

The "rationalizations" are bilateral, Your Putziness. You are evidence of
that.

Pro-coders just couldn't believe the reality. "No-code" went against
their religious concepts, personified by the equation ham=morseman!
All "real" hams knew, loved, had tested for "code" so that was a
universal, divine thing they seemed to think. An amazing aberration
of theirs, clinging to past standards and practices as if to life itself.

Nothing about Amateur Radio has remaind unchanged, Lennie, except for the
term "Amateur Radio" or "Ham".

The rest has been an almost 90 year history of fluidity.

Meanwhile, the rest of the radio world, every other radio service,
either never adopted any morse modes or just quit using morse for
communications.

This forum is about AMATUER RADIO...not the LEMMING Radio service.

Factors exist in the AMATEUR RADIO service that lend itself to the
continued testing for and implementation of Morse Code.

The Maritime radio community itself voted in the
new GMDSS to replace the old, dramatic, fabled-in-story 500 KHz
morse distress frequency. When that was done there was no real
need for morsemanship anywhere...except in the religious beliefs
of the mighty macho morsemen, themselves angry and distressed
that their Nobel-grade accomplishments were not revered. Some
became outraged and vented on all "no-coders" in barrages of
invective. Pro-coders relieved themselves in public in disregard of
all, blessed by Those Of Their Kind.

Of course pointing out that the retention of Morse Code testing was
mandated by international treaty, of which the United States was signatory.

That law has been changed and the US Government has it's regulatory wheels
churning to determine how to accomodate that.

Again, yet another fact you refuse to acknowledge.

The tombstone of morse code testing was put in place at WRC-03
when most of S25 was revised. Internationally. R.I.P. code testing.

When will be see "RIP Lennie Anderson"...?!?!

That would do more to promote the appeal of ANY radio participation.

Except, like some undead ghoul of the air, the pro-coder zombies
continue to haunt, to try to keep alive that equally-dead equation
ham=morseman. They vow revenge and retribution for themselves
not understanding that their anger is about their own False Beliefs.
They continue to take out that anger, relieving themselves by
denigrations of all who are "no-code." We are awash in their "relief"
to this day. No relief tube in sight.

You're the one trying to use the relief tube Lennie...in the same way
1930's fighter pilots used to communicate between the cockpits.

Amateur radio is essentially a hobby, a pleasureable activity involving
radio communications arts done for personal enjoyment.

Wondering where you got that from, Lennie, in as much as you are not a
part of it.

Licensing
and regulations thereof are a result of the physics of all radio, to keep
order in what would (and was) an EM chaos. Licensing regulations,
like all laws, were never fixed, immuteable, imposed by a divinity.
Regulations must remain open to change just like all laws must
remain open for change.

Pro-coders are resistant to change. They want to fight to the death
for their "principles" (false religious beliefs) of having all desiring to
be involved in a radio hobby to be licensed like the pro-coders were
licensed. No less. They were "champions" of their day and want to
keep their self-perceived crowns. They are mighty...hear them roar!

You can hear them "roar" on the bottom ends of the more popular HF bands.

Will that stop any pro-coder from relieving themselves in public?
I doubt it. Their code keys will have to be pried from cold, dead
fingers.

As will be your keyboard, no doubt.

Will that stop any olde-tyme hamme from relieving themselves in
public? I doubt that, too. They have proclaimed Themselves as
"masters," a kind of royalty that will never, ever abdicate their
thrones. They Know What Is Good For All...Believe in what They
Believe. They are the Elite. Their blood is blue...cyanotic.

I just KNOW you can provide SOME reference to where this proclamation was
made.

Independence of thought is a no-no, unthinkable.

Only on 10048 Lanark, Sun valley, CA...and in most Islamic nations.

There is only
One Belief. That of a minority within another minority of hobbyists
headquartered in a small New England town. They lead. All
other hobbyists must follow. They say so. Only They Know What
Is Good For All. So be it.

Regardless of the "minority within a minority", it will always be a
MAJORITY compared to the Leonard H. Anderson's licensed AND experienced in the
Amateur Radio Service.

And we are still waiting for Lennie to provide the NG some links to the
posts where the alleged "proclaimations" have been made.

(Hint: They don't exist...except in the flailing, failing mind of a very
lonely, very angry old man in Sun Valley, CA.......)

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Mighty
Macho Morseman and Pilot In Command gunnery nurse) writes:

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 9/2/2004 1:29 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(William) writes:

You've got a good point. He deserves no fond farewells.

But I'd buy the card, sign it, put postage on it, and maybe even
include a box of fine chocolates just to get rid of that crazy
*******.

But would he stay away?

The great unknown.

This newsgroup essentially ceased to become any sort of discussion
forum quite some while ago. Certain individuals asserted (and
inserted) themselves as "leaders" and "knew what was good for
everything" (defining that whatever They did was "good" and what
They didn't like was "bad").

Perhaps that was due to a determined effort by a certain unlicensed
individual to berate, antagonize, humiliate and otherwise manipulate the
newsgroup in a further effort to position himself a Lord, King and God or All
Radio Knowledge.

Tsk, tsk. Nursie can't stand corrections. Worse yet, nursie can't
stand anyone with more radio experience than she has...in the
military.

Tsk, tsk. I've spent nearly all of my working career in radio-electronics,
retired from regular hours at it, and kept radio-electronics as a hobby
for all that time. I've had the assigned responsibility of radio design
and fulfilled that completely. Suffice to say that I actually KNOW
something about the subject. :-)

Poor nursie can't stand that. She keeps whining and carrying on,
cussing snit rants because she is given correct information on radio
regulations and radio theory. Tsk.

This newsgroup was created some years back to catch the
"discussions" on the Morse Code Test Issue, transferring it from
rec.radio.amateur.miscellaneous.

And of course any attempt to let IT evolve to anything ELSE is criminal.

Incorrect. Evolution is evolution. Not subject to laws of mankind.

Oh...wait...LENNIE is the one accusing AMATEURS of not evolving with
changes in technology and practice...but it's OK for HIM to insist that RRAP
not be used for any other purpsoe save one....

Nursie outraged that any professional might know more than she.

Tsk. Nursie do nothing about subject title, only use newsgroup
to constantly fight, fight, fight. Tsk.


That was long ago when the mighty morse
ruled the rank, status, privelege "qualifications" of amateurs in
that incredible multi-tiered license structure of pre-restructuring
circa 1997.

Whooooops. There goes Lennie's "I Hate Amateur Radio Rank, Status and
Priviledge Because It Diminishes My Commercial Rank, Status and Priviledge"
rant.

Tsk. I have no need for titles, rank, status. I am secure in what I
can do...from practical experience doing it...successfully.

Nursie should explain WHY amateur radio needed so many classes,
so much emphasis on rank, status, and privilege?

Amateur radio is a HOBBY. It isn't a job. It isn't a union. It isn't a
guild. It isn't a craft. It is a hobby.

No less than six classes of license for a hobby
activity...greater than the number of classes for commercial radio
operator licenses.

And now there's only three.

Three more than YOU have, Lennie.

Tsk. Irrelevant what I "have" or "don't have."

If all nursie can argue is about pieces of paper (suitable for framing),
then she is very shallow indeed.


Of course YOU would have us all spending 14 years in night school with
and
a GROL to BE "qualified".

Tsk. Again with insults about "night school." :-)

Poor nursie sounds like she failed some "night school" classes. :-)

College Credit formal training classes have no stigma attached...
except to those who can't complete them. I've completed mine
whether they were in the daytime or at nighttime. College level
accreditation does not depend on the time of day a class is held.

There was NO "GROL" when I took and passed my one test for
a First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial) Operator's license in
1956. Poor nursie just can't stand that someone did something
better than she did long ago. :-)

Not necessary. Just $10 and an hour ata a VE session.

Commercial radio operator licenses can only be done by COLEMs.
Consult Title 47 C.F.R. Parts 1 and 2 for details.


FCC records on such things prove otherwise, but of course Lennie tends to
ignore things archived in federal documents.

Incorrect. Tsk. Nursie beginning to trashmouth again... :-)

That's just a natural survival tactic of any fraternal order...to survive
they need membership and attraction to the league "product" is to
tell others what those others what the league leadership thinks
they want newcomers to hear. ARRL went a bit too far.

If this were true, the ARRL could have taken the "sure-bet" path years
ago and pandered to the lowest common denominator.

Nursie got in. That should say it all... :-)


League membership is around 170K.

Still? Tsk. Less than a quarter of all licensed U.S. amateurs!

Coincidentally, the membership of the Academy of Model
Aeronautics is also about 170 thousand members.

Academy members mostly fly radio-controlled model aircraft.
They lobbied for and got a whole band of VHF frequencies for
such a fun hobby. AMA even has insurance for members and
clubs, sponsors all sorts of competitive meets of flyers.


The no-code-test Technician license class never really stopped
growing since 1991. That class has become the Majority of all U.S.
amateur licensees...regardless of the rationalizations of the pro-
coders trying to play numbers games after the Restructuring.

The "rationalizations" are bilateral, Your Putziness. You are evidence
of
that.

Poor nursie, just CAN'T take any contrary opinions, can she?

Tsk.

National numbers (archived by the FCC) belie nursie's assertion.

No-code-test Technician class was, by far, the fastest growing
license class in amateur radio. Now that class is the MAJORITY.

Sunnuvagun!


Nothing about Amateur Radio has remaind unchanged, Lennie, except for the
term "Amateur Radio" or "Ham".

Ham quality is regulated by the FDA in the USA. :-)

The rest has been an almost 90 year history of fluidity.

...from all the mighty macho morsemen relieving themselves? :-)


This forum is about AMATUER RADIO...not the LEMMING Radio service.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Tell the ARRL that. :-)


Factors exist in the AMATEUR RADIO service that lend itself to the
continued testing for and implementation of Morse Code.

The only "factors" are the ultra-conservative stubbornness of the
olde-tyme hamme morsemen refusing to concede anything. :-)


Of course pointing out that the retention of Morse Code testing was
mandated by international treaty, of which the United States was signatory.

After WRC-03, at the end of July, 2003, the USA remains "signatory"
and there is NO international obligation to retain any morse code
test for amateur radio licensing by any administration.

Geez, that sure spoil nursie's Big Rant or what? :-)

That law has been changed and the US Government has it's regulatory
wheels churning to determine how to accomodate that.

tsk. Amateur phrasing, bad aphorisms. :-)

Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. hasn't been changed to take out any code
test. No "churning" there...but it butters up the fantasies of the
olde-tyme hamme radio morsemen. :-)

Again, yet another fact you refuse to acknowledge.

I acknowledge that the U.S. amateur morse code test has NOT
been eliminated.

Tsk. Nursie can't read properly or is on the wrong meds...?


You're the one trying to use the relief tube Lennie...in the same way
1930's fighter pilots used to communicate between the cockpits.

Tsk. Nursie has been reading too much pulp fiction left over from
the 1920s. :-)

It must be the CAP training of the Pilot In Command! :-)


You can hear them "roar" on the bottom ends of the more popular HF
bands.

NOT on the 6, 9, 11, and 15 MHz bands. :-)

Those are "shortwave broadcast" bands...and are the "most popular."

But, if your little transceiver can't tune those frequencies you will
never hear them...and thus they "don't exist." :-)


Independence of thought is a no-no, unthinkable.

Only on 10048 Lanark, Sun valley, CA...and in most Islamic nations.

tsk, Tsk, TSK! :-)

Independence of thought and deed is, or should be, the watchword
of this nation. I prize it, even volunteered for military service to
insure its continuation.

Nursie make trashmouth again. Tsk.


Regardless of the "minority within a minority", it will always be a
MAJORITY compared to the Leonard H. Anderson's licensed AND experienced in
the Amateur Radio Service.

Tell that to the FCC. No Commissioner or staffer is required to have
any amateur radio license to regulate U.S. amateur radio!

Sunnuvagun!

It's terrible when nursie's rants get ruined...

Poor nursie. All petulant and prissy when confronted with opposite
opinions. All she can do is trashmouth "opponents." Very little
thought required to do that, just do the yell-yell. :-)

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
Perhaps that was due to a determined effort by a certain unlicensed
individual to berate, antagonize, humiliate and otherwise manipulate the
newsgroup in a further effort to position himself a Lord, King and God or All
Radio Knowledge.

Tsk, tsk. Nursie can't stand corrections. Worse yet, nursie can't
stand anyone with more radio experience than she has...in the
military.

Tsk, tsk. I've spent nearly all of my working career in radio-electronics,
retired from regular hours at it, and kept radio-electronics as a hobby
for all that time. I've had the assigned responsibility of radio design
and fulfilled that completely. Suffice to say that I actually KNOW
something about the subject.

Poor nursie can't stand that. She keeps whining and carrying on,
cussing snit rants because she is given correct information on radio
regulations and radio theory. Tsk.

And despite all of your ALLEGED experience, you continue to make
glaring errors about AMATEUR RADIO, and YOU can't stand THAT!

It's a simple fix, though...

You get a license then you participate.

You participate, you learn.

You learn, you don't make stupid mistakes...

over and over and over and......

You're such a putz, Anderson...and you make it sooooooooo easy to
make a fool out of you! Thanks!

Steve, K4YZ

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , wrote:

Regardless of the "minority within a minority", it will always be a
MAJORITY compared to the Leonard H. Anderson's licensed AND experienced in
the Amateur Radio Service.

Tell that to the FCC. No Commissioner or staffer is required to have
any amateur radio license to regulate U.S. amateur radio!

Sunnuvagun!

It's terrible when nursie's rants get ruined...

No "ruined rant" here, Lennie.

This is about you.

Not the FCC commissioners...

Not your "real extra" buddy in "Joy-zee"

Not your correspondence course shrink wife...

Not the CAP, OES, ADA, ARRL or IEEE.

You.

You are not licensed. That's a fact.

No license = No participation.

No participation = No experience.

No experience = Stupid Newsgroup errors.

Stupid Newsgroup Errors = Lennie Anderson.

Lennie Anderson = Putz.

And there you are.

Steve, K4YZ

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , (Mighty
Macho Morseman and Pilot In Command gunnery nurse) writes:

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 9/2/2004 1:29 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(William) writes:



Tsk. I have no need for titles, rank, status. I am secure in what I
can do...from practical experience doing it...successfully.

Izzat why you use the ieee.org sig line, remind us periodically of your
membership and bring up your "name on the masthead" of 'Ham Radio'
magazine from time to time? How does your history as a PROFESSIONAL
appear so often?


Amateur radio is a HOBBY. It isn't a job. It isn't a union. It isn't a
guild. It isn't a craft. It is a hobby.

....one in which you are not involved.


Tsk. Irrelevant what I "have" or "don't have."

Actually, in a newsgroup dealing with amateur radio, it would seem quite
relevant that you are not a licensed radio amateur.

If all nursie can argue is about pieces of paper (suitable for framing),
then she is very shallow indeed.

One of those pieces of paper would make you a radio amateur. You
haven't passed any exam which would provide one of those pieces of
paper.


There was NO "GROL" when I took and passed my one test for
a First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial) Operator's license in
1956. Poor nursie just can't stand that someone did something
better than she did long ago. :-)

Better? Naw, just different. Your First Class Radiotelephone ticket
does nothing for you on the ham bands. For a guy who has no need of
status, you certainly bring up your "better than" First Phone often
enough.


Nursie got in. That should say it all... :-)

You didn't get in. That says much more. :-)

League membership is around 170K.

Still? Tsk. Less than a quarter of all licensed U.S. amateurs!

Coincidentally, the membership of the Academy of Model
Aeronautics is also about 170 thousand members.

Isn't that wonderful!

Academy members mostly fly radio-controlled model aircraft.
They lobbied for and got a whole band of VHF frequencies for
such a fun hobby. AMA even has insurance for members and
clubs, sponsors all sorts of competitive meets of flyers.

Wow! Another coincidence! ARRL has insurance for members and sponsors
all sorts of competitive events.


You can hear them "roar" on the bottom ends of the more popular HF
bands.

NOT on the 6, 9, 11, and 15 MHz bands. :-)

Those are "shortwave broadcast" bands...and are the "most popular."

Good listening, kindly old SWL.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

This newsgroup essentially ceased to become any sort of discussion
forum quite some while ago. Certain individuals asserted (and
inserted) themselves as "leaders" and "knew what was good for
everything" (defining that whatever They did was "good" and what
They didn't like was "bad").

One of those individuals, a Leonard H. Anderson of California has no
stake whatever in amateur radio. Somehow, this total non-participant
has appointed himself "advocate" for change within amateur radio. He
purports to know how amateur radio should best be regulated. Whatever
he says is "good" and whatever those who disagree with him say is "bad".

This newsgroup was created some years back to catch the
"discussions" on the Morse Code Test Issue, transferring it from
rec.radio.amateur.miscellaneous.

You have as much to do with one as the other.

Personal denigrations of those
against retaining the code test were numerous and rather ripe with
invective and insulting inuendo from those that championed the
mighty morse modes.

It is funny that your own personal denigrations of those for retention
of a morse test go unmentioned. What of your invective and insulting
inuendo directed at them?

That was long ago when the mighty morse
ruled the rank, status, privelege "qualifications" of amateurs in
that incredible multi-tiered license structure of pre-restructuring
circa 1997.

What do you know of it? You haven't an amateur radio license of any
class. That'd include license classes requiring 20 wpm, 13 wpm, 5 wpm
and even no morse exams.

No less than six classes of license for a hobby
activity...greater than the number of classes for commercial radio
operator licenses.

How are you involved and why does the number of license classes bother
you?

Those that had Made It Through all the tests and "qualifications"
entrenched themselves behind the "safety" of their mental
barricades and mighty accomplishments (greater than anyone
could possibly be in non-amateur radio). They claimed "turf" and
bragging rights and "ownership" of What All Good Hams Must Do.

You aren't a ham. Why get all upset?

Those "masters" were aided by the self-promoting prose of the
ARRL (which had yet to get as many as a quarter of all U.S.
hams in membership).

Why worry about the ARRL. You aren't a member.

ARRL stressed morse as the epitome of
ham-ness as it had ever since Hiram had been elected president-
for-life.

Your statement cannot be backed up with evidence.

The no-code-test Technician license class never really stopped
growing since 1991.

Why would it? It appears that the Amateur Extra never stopped growing
either.

That class has become the Majority of all U.S.
amateur licensees...regardless of the rationalizations of the pro-
coders trying to play numbers games after the Restructuring.

It only makes sense. It is the easiest to obtain.

Pro-coders just couldn't believe the reality.

I believe the reality. A no-code Tech is the path of least resistance.

"No-code" went against
their religious concepts, personified by the equation ham=morseman!

My religion and amateur radio are two very distinct things.

All "real" hams knew, loved, had tested for "code" so that was a
universal, divine thing they seemed to think.

Is that why you have a problem? You aren't a ham.

An amazing aberration
of theirs, clinging to past standards and practices as if to life itself.

Tell you what, Len. I'll cling to standards. You cling to life itself.

Meanwhile, the rest of the radio world, every other radio service,
either never adopted any morse modes or just quit using morse for
communications. The Maritime radio community itself voted in the
new GMDSS to replace the old, dramatic, fabled-in-story 500 KHz
morse distress frequency.

So what?

When that was done there was no real
need for morsemanship anywhere...except in the religious beliefs
of the mighty macho morsemen, themselves angry and distressed
that their Nobel-grade accomplishments were not revered.

You needn't worry about it. You're fertile imagination has manufactured
a world of angry and distressed, code-tested hams. You've even added
"Nobel-graded" accomplishments. It just seems that way to you as one
on the outside looking in.

Some
became outraged and vented on all "no-coders" in barrages of
invective.

While you are a "no-coder", you aren't a radio amateur.

Pro-coders relieved themselves in public in disregard of
all, blessed by Those Of Their Kind.

They did what?

The tombstone of morse code testing was put in place at WRC-03
when most of S25 was revised. Internationally. R.I.P. code testing.

Well. It would. Appear that. Your facts are as. Dubious as your.
Sentence structure.

Except, like some undead ghoul of the air, the pro-coder zombies
continue to haunt, to try to keep alive that equally-dead equation
ham=morseman.

Come now, Leonard. That isn't quite as scary as Len Anderson=radio
amateur.

They vow revenge and retribution for themselves
not understanding that their anger is about their own False Beliefs.

Is that what drives your anger, Len? Your own False Beliefs?


They continue to take out that anger, relieving themselves by
denigrations of all who are "no-code."

Is that why you believe you are the object of denigration by others?

We are awash in their "relief"
to this day. No relief tube in sight.

"We"? How are you involved?

Amateur radio is essentially a hobby, a pleasureable activity involving
radio communications arts done for personal enjoyment.

....or so you've been told.

Licensing
and regulations thereof are a result of the physics of all radio, to keep
order in what would (and was) an EM chaos.

The physics of radio are certainly a part of the regulations. They, by
themselves, are not the sum total of material making up amateur radio
regulations.

Licensing regulations,
like all laws, were never fixed, immuteable, imposed by a divinity.
Regulations must remain open to change just like all laws must
remain open for change.

The regs have changed for as long as I've been a ham.

Pro-coders are resistant to change.

....and you are for change for the sake of change. You have no stake in
amateur radio.


They want to fight to the death
for their "principles" (false religious beliefs) of having all desiring to
be involved in a radio hobby to be licensed like the pro-coders were
licensed. No less. They were "champions" of their day and want to
keep their self-perceived crowns. They are mighty...hear them roar!


Do you want to fight to the death championing your ideas of amateur
radio regulation? Be my guest. Follow the false religious beliefs of a
non-participant. I hear you roar. I don't perceive you as mighty.

Dave K8MN