In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

This newsgroup essentially ceased to become any sort of discussion
forum quite some while ago. Certain individuals asserted (and
inserted) themselves as "leaders" and "knew what was good for
everything" (defining that whatever They did was "good" and what
They didn't like was "bad").

One of those individuals, a Leonard H. Anderson of California has no
stake whatever in amateur radio.

Hmmm...poor PCTA extra has gotten more than one stake...should
not go out at night in that vampire suit...

Somehow, this total non-participant
has appointed himself "advocate" for change within amateur radio.

Just joining a whole heaping mob of others wanting to get rid of
the morse code test. :-)

He purports to know how amateur radio should best be regulated.

I say amateur radio is best regulated by the FCC.

What does Herr Robust say? :-)

Whatever
he says is "good" and whatever those who disagree with him say is "bad".

Tsk, tsk. I merely state some opinions.

Herr Robust doesn't want anyone's opinions that disagree with him.

This newsgroup was created some years back to catch the
"discussions" on the Morse Code Test Issue, transferring it from
rec.radio.amateur.miscellaneous.

You have as much to do with one as the other.

Tsk. I'm here. Herr Robust is very upset over that. Poor Robust.

Personal denigrations of those
against retaining the code test were numerous and rather ripe with
invective and insulting inuendo from those that championed the
mighty morse modes.

It is funny that your own personal denigrations of those for retention
of a morse test go unmentioned. What of your invective and insulting
inuendo directed at them?

Hmmm...to the PCTA extras, anything said against morse code
testing is "invective and insulting inuendo."

On the other hand, PCTA extras can say anything to anyone else,
including Real invective and insulting inuendo!

PCTA extra Double Standard alive in this newsgroup!

That was long ago when the mighty morse
ruled the rank, status, privelege "qualifications" of amateurs in
that incredible multi-tiered license structure of pre-restructuring
circa 1997.

What do you know of it? You haven't an amateur radio license of any
class. That'd include license classes requiring 20 wpm, 13 wpm, 5 wpm
and even no morse exams.

Tsk. Herr Robust is still all a-twitter over a manufactured "cause,"
aka "lack of amateur license."

Herr Robust ought to get working and MAKE those FCC people
all licensed in ham radio so they can regulate it!

Sunnuvagun!

No less than six classes of license for a hobby
activity...greater than the number of classes for commercial radio
operator licenses.

How are you involved and why does the number of license classes bother
you?

Who you who say who dat? :-)

Ach zo! Somebody holding a weapon on you, making you read all?

Tsk. This be free country, mein herr. Newsgroup has free access.

You want to check papers at the door? Ja?

Those that had Made It Through all the tests and "qualifications"
entrenched themselves behind the "safety" of their mental
barricades and mighty accomplishments (greater than anyone
could possibly be in non-amateur radio). They claimed "turf" and
bragging rights and "ownership" of What All Good Hams Must Do.

You aren't a ham. Why get all upset?

I'm not a ham. I've got a beef. Your SS act sounds fishy.

Go vegetarian.

Those "masters" were aided by the self-promoting prose of the
ARRL (which had yet to get as many as a quarter of all U.S.
hams in membership).

Why worry about the ARRL. You aren't a member.

Worry? What, me worry? :-)

ARRL stressed morse as the epitome of
ham-ness as it had ever since Hiram had been elected president-
for-life.

Your statement cannot be backed up with evidence.

Ach zo, Herr Judge Roy Bean presiding out of the east... :-)

Many pounds of "evidence" exists in the periodicals called QST.

Much "evidence" exists in the history of the league, including
the public BoD transcripts.

You are in contempt in your own court, Judge. Case dismissed.

The no-code-test Technician license class never really stopped
growing since 1991.

Why would it? It appears that the Amateur Extra never stopped growing
either.

Tsk. Lack of understanding of simple arithmetic. :-)

License class totals show the no-code-test Technician class growing
far faster than any other. Now they are the majority class.

Herr Robust has no class. Not much in the way of social graces,
either. :-)

That class has become the Majority of all U.S.
amateur licensees...regardless of the rationalizations of the pro-
coders trying to play numbers games after the Restructuring.

It only makes sense. It is the easiest to obtain.

There ya have it, Herr Einstein!

Pro-coders just couldn't believe the reality.

I believe the reality. A no-code Tech is the path of least resistance.

You have been short-circuited!

"No-code" went against
their religious concepts, personified by the equation ham=morseman!

My religion and amateur radio are two very distinct things.

Your statement is unsupported by evidence.

All "real" hams knew, loved, had tested for "code" so that was a
universal, divine thing they seemed to think.

Is that why you have a problem? You aren't a ham.

I'm not a ham. I've got a beef. You act fishy.

Are you going to call the FDA or what?

An amazing aberration
of theirs, clinging to past standards and practices as if to life
itself.

Tell you what, Len. I'll cling to standards. You cling to life itself.

You are too much into cling-ons.

Use better toilet tissue.

You needn't worry about it. You're fertile imagination has manufactured
a world of angry and distressed, code-tested hams. You've even added
"Nobel-graded" accomplishments. It just seems that way to you as one
on the outside looking in.

Tsk. A god of radio is upset? A mere mortal causing god heil a
problem?

"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that anyone has, if said anyone
opposes Heil's views, he/she will be the target of Heil's insults,
ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic slurs, total lack of
emoticons and social-interaction graces, acting in an arrogant,
elitist manner...for years" :-)

Some
became outraged and vented on all "no-coders" in barrages of
invective.

While you are a "no-coder", you aren't a radio amateur.

Not a licensed one. :-)

I've been a professional in radio for 52 years...also a hobbyist in
electronics and radio. Because of my interest in it all.

Tsk. Not good enough for Herr Robust! Haven't shown him
sufficient "interest!"

Herr Robust should try to understand why there's so little
"interest"...his mental bank account is near zero!

Pro-coders relieved themselves in public in disregard of
all, blessed by Those Of Their Kind.

They did what?

You figure out. There's only so much we can teach you...

The tombstone of morse code testing was put in place at WRC-03
when most of S25 was revised. Internationally. R.I.P. code testing.

Well. It would. Appear that. Your facts are as. Dubious as your.
Sentence structure.

Tsk. Herr Headmaster needs to study written English better.

Not everything is by-the-book in perfect Strunk & White format.

You KNOW Strunk & White, don't you? :-)

Except, like some undead ghoul of the air, the pro-coder zombies
continue to haunt, to try to keep alive that equally-dead equation
ham=morseman.

Come now, Leonard. That isn't quite as scary as Len Anderson=radio
amateur.

Tsk, tsk, and a tut, tut to boot.

"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that anyone has, if said anyone
opposes Heil's views, he/she will be the target of Heil's insults,
ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic slurs, total lack of
emoticons and social-interaction graces, acting in an arrogant,
elitist manner...for years" :-)

They vow revenge and retribution for themselves
not understanding that their anger is about their own False Beliefs.

Is that what drives your anger, Len? Your own False Beliefs?

What "false beliefs?" :-)

Tsk. I was doing years of HF communications before Herr Robust
got either his little ham ticket or that government job with State.

Never used morse code then nor did I have to use it then, or any
time afterwards.

Tsk and tut, tut. Herr Robust demands ALL to "show interest" in
radio by getting a ham license first!

Pity that so many engineers and technicians ignored your demands
and went to work in radio anyway...sans ham ticket.

Sunnuvagun!

They continue to take out that anger, relieving themselves by
denigrations of all who are "no-code."

Is that why you believe you are the object of denigration by others?

"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that anyone has, if said anyone
opposes Heil's views, he/she will be the target of Heil's insults,
ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic slurs, total lack of
emoticons and social-interaction graces, acting in an arrogant,
elitist manner...for years" :-)

We are awash in their "relief"
to this day. No relief tube in sight.

"We"? How are you involved?

Ah! The faintest glimmer of understanding from Herr Robust's
mighty intellect! :-)


Amateur radio is essentially a hobby, a pleasureable activity involving
radio communications arts done for personal enjoyment.

...or so you've been told.

Oh, my, cancel the previous comment. No real understanding by
Herr Robust.

"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that anyone has, if said anyone
opposes Heil's views, he/she will be the target of Heil's insults,
ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic slurs, total lack of
emoticons and social-interaction graces, acting in an arrogant,
elitist manner...for years" :-)

Licensing
and regulations thereof are a result of the physics of all radio, to
keep
order in what would (and was) an EM chaos.

The physics of radio are certainly a part of the regulations. They, by
themselves, are not the sum total of material making up amateur radio
regulations.

Tsk. Without all those laws of physics, applied, ain't no ham radio.

Licensing regulations,
like all laws, were never fixed, immuteable, imposed by a divinity.
Regulations must remain open to change just like all laws must
remain open for change.

The regs have changed for as long as I've been a ham.

Have you been age-stamped by the FDA?

Pro-coders are resistant to change.

...and you are for change for the sake of change. You have no stake in
amateur radio.

Tsk. Appears Herr Vampire has gotten more than one stake in
him while in this newsgroup!

Do you want to fight to the death championing your ideas of amateur
radio regulation? Be my guest.

Nah. I don't think your "guest" accomodations will ever make a
Michellin Guide rating. Zero stars.

Pity that you want to abridge the First Amendment so much. Makes
you very Un-American!

Is it due to all those years in the "foreign service?"

"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that anyone has, if said anyone
opposes Heil's views, he/she will be the target of Heil's insults,
ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic slurs, total lack of
emoticons and social-interaction graces, acting in an arrogant,
elitist manner...for years" :-)

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

This newsgroup essentially ceased to become any sort of discussion
forum quite some while ago. Certain individuals asserted (and
inserted) themselves as "leaders" and "knew what was good for
everything" (defining that whatever They did was "good" and what
They didn't like was "bad").

Somehow, this total non-participant
has appointed himself "advocate" for change within amateur radio.

Just joining a whole heaping mob of others wanting to get rid of
the morse code test. :-)

Isn't that a coincidence! I just happened to join a throng of radio
amateurs who want to retain morse testing :-) :-)

Whatever
he says is "good" and whatever those who disagree with him say is "bad".

Tsk, tsk. I merely state some opinions.

When others do that, your response is (allow me to quote): "Certain
individuals asserted (and inserted) themselves as "leaders" and "knew
what was good for everything" (defining that whatever They did was
"good" and what They didn't like was "bad").

Herr Robust doesn't want anyone's opinions that disagree with him.

I've not noted you encouraging or welcoming any opinions which differ
from yours. Yet you are not involved in amateur radio. Can you explain
how it works one way for you but not for others?

This newsgroup was created some years back to catch the
"discussions" on the Morse Code Test Issue, transferring it from
rec.radio.amateur.miscellaneous.

You have as much to do with one as the other.

Tsk. I'm here. Herr Robust is very upset over that. Poor Robust.

Yes, you're here, Foghorn. You don't mind if I call you Foghorn, do
you, Leonid?

Personal denigrations of those
against retaining the code test were numerous and rather ripe with
invective and insulting inuendo from those that championed the
mighty morse modes.

It is funny that your own personal denigrations of those for retention
of a morse test go unmentioned. What of your invective and insulting
inuendo directed at them?

Hmmm...to the PCTA extras, anything said against morse code
testing is "invective and insulting inuendo."

On the other hand, PCTA extras can say anything to anyone else,
including Real invective and insulting inuendo!

PCTA extra Double Standard alive in this newsgroup!

Forgive me but I was addressing your own double standard. What can you
tell us about that one?

That was long ago when the mighty morse
ruled the rank, status, privelege "qualifications" of amateurs in
that incredible multi-tiered license structure of pre-restructuring
circa 1997.

What do you know of it? You haven't an amateur radio license of any
class. That'd include license classes requiring 20 wpm, 13 wpm, 5 wpm
and even no morse exams.

Tsk. Herr Robust is still all a-twitter over a manufactured "cause,"
aka "lack of amateur license."

That isn't a cause at all, Leona. It is simply fact. You don't have,
nor have you attempted to attain an amateur radio license. None. Zip.
Zilch. Nada.

Herr Robust ought to get working and MAKE those FCC people
all licensed in ham radio so they can regulate it!

They're paid to regulate it. You aren't any more involved with working
at the FCC than you are a participant in amateur radio.


No less than six classes of license for a hobby
activity...greater than the number of classes for commercial radio
operator licenses.

How are you involved and why does the number of license classes bother
you?

Those that had Made It Through all the tests and "qualifications"
entrenched themselves behind the "safety" of their mental
barricades and mighty accomplishments (greater than anyone
could possibly be in non-amateur radio). They claimed "turf" and
bragging rights and "ownership" of What All Good Hams Must Do.

You aren't a ham. Why get all upset?


Those "masters" were aided by the self-promoting prose of the
ARRL (which had yet to get as many as a quarter of all U.S.
hams in membership).

Why worry about the ARRL? You aren't a member.

ARRL stressed morse as the epitome of
ham-ness as it had ever since Hiram had been elected president-
for-life.

Your statement cannot be backed up with evidence.

Many pounds of "evidence" exists in the periodicals called QST.

Much "evidence" exists in the history of the league, including
the public BoD transcripts.

No, it does not. Your statement cannot be backed up with fact.


The no-code-test Technician license class never really stopped
growing since 1991.

Why would it? It appears that the Amateur Extra never stopped growing
either.

Tsk. Lack of understanding of simple arithmetic. :-)

License class totals show the no-code-test Technician class growing
far faster than any other. Now they are the majority class.

That isn't what you wrote. Your words we "The no-code-test
Technician license class never really stopped growing since 1991."

Of course the no-code tech is the largest class of licensees. It is
absurdly easy to obtain.


That class has become the Majority of all U.S.
amateur licensees...regardless of the rationalizations of the pro-
coders trying to play numbers games after the Restructuring.

It only makes sense. It is the easiest to obtain.

Pro-coders just couldn't believe the reality.

I believe the reality. A no-code Tech is the path of least resistance.


All "real" hams knew, loved, had tested for "code" so that was a
universal, divine thing they seemed to think.

Is that why you have a problem? You aren't a ham.

An amazing aberration
of theirs, clinging to past standards and practices as if to life
itself.

Tell you what, Len. I'll cling to standards. You cling to life itself.

You are too much into cling-ons.

You wrote of "clinging".

Use better toilet tissue.

I do--All the better to clean up my Leonard.

You needn't worry about it. You're fertile imagination has manufactured
a world of angry and distressed, code-tested hams. You've even added
"Nobel-graded" accomplishments. It just seems that way to you as one
on the outside looking in.

Tsk. A god of radio is upset? A mere mortal causing god heil a
problem?

The several of you inhabiting the body of Leonard H. Anderson have yet
to come to an agreement on the issue of whether I'm a god. Let me know
when you reach a consensus on the "You're a god/You're no god" issue.


Some
became outraged and vented on all "no-coders" in barrages of
invective.

While you are a "no-coder", you aren't a radio amateur.

Not a licensed one. :-)

That's right.

I've been a professional in radio for 52 years...also a hobbyist in
electronics and radio. Because of my interest in it all.

Bully for you. You aren't a radio amateur.

Tsk. Not good enough for Herr Robust! Haven't shown him
sufficient "interest!"

You haven't shown sufficient interest for anyone. Your several decades
of interest and your years of posting here have added up to a goose egg.

Pro-coders relieved themselves in public in disregard of
all, blessed by Those Of Their Kind.

They did what?

You figure out. There's only so much we can teach you...

"We?" Do you have a Vibroplex in your pocket?

The tombstone of morse code testing was put in place at WRC-03
when most of S25 was revised. Internationally. R.I.P. code testing.

Well. It would. Appear that. Your facts are as. Dubious as your.
Sentence structure.

Tsk. Herr Headmaster needs to study written English better.

I see. You make an error in sentence construction and I need to study
written English. Well, I studied and studied on your "Internationally."
effort. It is still short of a few items.

Not everything is by-the-book in perfect Strunk & White format.

No, not everything you, the professional writer *chortle* puts together
is in by-the-book, perfect Strunk & White form.

You KNOW Strunk & White, don't you? :-)

The question seems to be: do you?


They vow revenge and retribution for themselves
not understanding that their anger is about their own False Beliefs.

Is that what drives your anger, Len? Your own False Beliefs?

What "false beliefs?" :-)

You know--the False Beliefs you hold in opposition to the views of
others.
Tsk. I was doing years of HF communications before Herr Robust
got either his little ham ticket or that government job with State.

So? Odds are I'll be doing it after you are no longer drawing breath.
That's the way life works. I had no control of the date of my birth.

Never used morse code then nor did I have to use it then, or any
time afterwards.

....and you bray about it as if that were some sort of badge of honor.

Tsk and tut, tut. Herr Robust demands ALL to "show interest" in
radio by getting a ham license first!

Actually, that's another falsehood. I've written of interest in amateur
radio.

Pity that so many engineers and technicians ignored your demands
and went to work in radio anyway...sans ham ticket.

Sorry, Pops. This is not an engineering or technician newsgroup.

They continue to take out that anger, relieving themselves by
denigrations of all who are "no-code."

Is that why you believe you are the object of denigration by others?

"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that anyone has, if said anyone
opposes Heil's views, he/she will be the target of Heil's insults,
ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic slurs, total lack of
emoticons and social-interaction graces, acting in an arrogant,
elitist manner...for years" :-)

Seriously, Leonard. Could you not compose an answer or were you just
embarrassed by the question?


Licensing
and regulations thereof are a result of the physics of all radio, to
keep
order in what would (and was) an EM chaos.

The physics of radio are certainly a part of the regulations. They, by
themselves, are not the sum total of material making up amateur radio
regulations.

Tsk. Without all those laws of physics, applied, ain't no ham radio.

The physics of radio are certainly a part of the regulations. They, by
themselves, are not the sum total of material making up amateur radio
regulations.


Do you want to fight to the death championing your ideas of amateur
radio regulation? Be my guest.

Nah. I don't think your "guest" accomodations will ever make a
Michellin Guide rating. Zero stars.

You must have misunderstood. I'd rather have Al Gore, Hillary Clinton,
Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore as house guests.

Pity that you want to abridge the First Amendment so much. Makes
you very Un-American!

You've made your views known. That's are far as your First Amendment
rights go. They are no more important than mine.

Is it due to all those years in the "foreign service?"

N2EY: "Besides, here's a simple, plain fact:

No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that a radio amateur has, if said radio
amateur opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be the target of Mr.
Anderson's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic
slurs, excessive emoticons and general infantile behavior."

Dave K8MN