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August 25th 04, 04:42 PM
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Subject: Back at Ya, NURSIE
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 8/24/2004 4:38 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Back At Ya, Brian..... From: (Len Over 21) Date: 8/23/2004 3:51 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: NURSIE think I not "qualified!" I not qualified for morsemanship in amateur radio. I qualified for commercial radio, for military radio, in fact any radio...receivers or transmittes, any frequency range up to 24 GHz. Been there, done that, several times over. Great, Lennie. Then why don't you expend your verbose antagonisms in a military or commercial radio related newsgroup...?!?! This forum is about AMATEUR RADIO. Then why have you discussed the SPACE BUSINESS at length in here with another, neither one of you having ANY experience in the space business? Because I am not the one who feels it necessary to go off on "off-topic" rants and THEN chastise those participating in it fro having done it! Like YOU ! ! It's very apparent that you are lost and refuse to look at a map or stop and ask directions. Tsk, tsk. I use maps all the time. MapQuest very handy for trips. Available free over the Internet! Maps from AAA also free, have an up-to-date collection (rather used) in the car. :-) I bet that drives Mrs Lennie nuts. Not at all. Why you mention wife? You like other guys' wives? Depends on if they like me. I bet Mrs Lennie smells like Mr. Lennie, so not to worry. I'll bet that drives Mrs. Nursie nuts! Only if Mrs Lennie looks like Brittney Spears. (which I doubt hasn't been an issue since...oh....1932...?!?!) NURSIE need some mental therapy, is in a good place to get it. She never avails herself of that. Still waiting on your credentials to make such a determination. Still waiting for those "authorities" to show up and take me away to be committed...that you said you could get with a simple phone call. Tsk, tsk. NURSIE not have authority...or guts to try it. So far it's just an obvious shill to try and detract from the black eyes you keep collecting in here. What "black eyes," Diminutive Man? Ahhhhhh...blind. Guess you ahve one of those braile readers. Or do you use voice simulations software? My eyes are still blue, cute as ever. Uhhhhhh....yeeeeah...Right. Steve, K4YZ |
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#13
August 25th 04, 08:46 PM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: And this was not about you. It was about Brian P Burke misrepresenting his identity and not being man enough or having the conviction to stand behind his opinions. More transference. NURSIE doesn't pay much attention to his emotional outbursts in here...says he "never said such a thing" after he said it. Strange. Of course; he lies. But since he's nuts he's not responsible for his actions. Yell-yell will rationalize anything... Maybe he was battered as a child? Tempura best. Corn flour second best. He rolled in tar den fethers. Teribull batter. Because I do have convictions I receive a lot of flack from Yell DMC. Yell-yell be da dill sergeant still. He obsessed wid it. He stoopid jerk. It OK. He not sponsible for he actions. For instance, when Part 97 says you cannot take compensation for amateur radio, then a repeater owner charges dues.... Mama Dee say dat okay. Dee say many thing. Sumptin she right, sumptin she wong. Of course we gots da HRO stores making profit from ham radio... But dey not get paid for transmitting. Control Op/rpeeter owner do. For instance, when Part 97 specifies only a Morse Code exam can satisfy element 1, and the VEC's administer Farnsworth exams.... Mama Dee say dat ok too. She say Part 97 doesn't describe hamexaminations. She wrongo. We spank Mama for boo-boo? No spankin Dee. Mite make joy. For instance, when a poster states, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" DoD ought to spank Yell-yell. :-) Ott do more work rebiltating stoopid jerk. For instance, when a poster behaves insanely, I call him nuts. ...or irrational...or whacko...or crazy...or an extra? :-) LHA / WMD Fruitcake. |
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#14
August 25th 04, 11:07 PM
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In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , More than you. By a mile. You were nothing more than a radio mechanic. That's ALL the evidence you have ever provided this forum. YOU were NEVER a "military radio operator". NOT "mechanic," Diminutive Man. Fixed station operations and maintenance supervisor. But never a radio OPERATOR. Yes, I was. QSYing a transmitter and making sure it stays on frequency is OPERATING. Oh, Cool. You reached up and changed the channel. WRONG! Frequency synthesizers enabling channel-changing with ease did not appear until the 1960s. [the first of which were the stepped two-crystal-oscillator-bank mixed types for civil aviation] The exact-frequency synthesizers for fixed-point HF broadcast did not appear until about 1964. A QSY at any ACAN station of the 1950s would involve at least 3 persons, two at a transmitter site, one at a receiver site using a General Radio LF to HF precision frequency measuring instrument. At ADA, Control at Chuo Kogyo (just outside of Camp Drake) would issue the QSY order over the TTY order wire; both transmitters and frequency standards at Receivers were on that loop. Receivers "freq standards" would begin setting up for the new carrier frequency. At transmitters, one operator disable the appropriate exciter, then would go behind the many racks of exciters (O-5s at that time) and get a crystal from the heated crystal cabinet (6 foot high, glass doors), change the crystal in the exciter from the back. ADA did their own crystal finishing. Frequencies were all given code names, for nemonic convenience not secrecy...avoided accidental transposition of numbers. Korean circuit frequency names were all given beer brands...:-) The other person at transmitters (if only for a 1 KW Tx, the big PW-15s usually took two operators for safety) would key off the separate transmitter, reset the adjustments to a chart (prepared by maintenance specialists on the team), wait for the exciter man to finish with his task. When RF was getting to the Tx, the Tx man would tweak-tune the settings, paying close attention to neutralizing the final (BC-339s had push-pull triode 833s in PA) in addition to making sure the loading was good. By that time, freq standards was set up and their freq meter's audio would be fed into a reserved telephone circuit pair to transmitters. We could hear it on the speakers. The trick chief would ask Control for "fox test" on the TTY circuit ("The quick brown fox...etc." from one of three such automatic cam-driven generators at Carriers in Chuo Kogyo. Exciter man would zero beat on the Mark, engage keying and set the "spread" (shift) in a double heterodyne of comparing the 850 cycle tone from Stds with a transmitter tone generator fixed at 850 cycles. Once that was set (all around the console could hear it) the trick chief signalled over the order wire for Stds to check it. Frequency Standards would do their final measure and report the Mark and Space frequencies (if within tolerance) on the order wire TTY. If something was drifting or the measures were out of tolerance, Stds reported that, too, and we would have to tweak the exciter all over again. [accepted RTTY spread back then was 850 Hz] Maximum time to QSY for RF out at transmitters was under 2 minutes. Total QSY time, including the Stds measurement and reporting, was under 3 minutes. That included the large PW-15s (15 KW conservative output) that had two 3-foot long copper segmented shorting bars (with two long tightening screws) which "tapped" the huge final tank coil windings. The old pre-WW2 Western Electric SSB (12 KHz wide in the "commercial" sideband arrangement containing four 3 KHz voice bandwidth channels) was quite fussy and might take an extra minute or two, including extra time at Stds to confirm frequencies. The new Western Electric LD-T2 SSB was much better (one in 1953, four more arrived in 1955) in that 12 tuned circuits were all servo-motor controlled from a bank of 120 potentiometers inside that were preset to 10 "channels" or authorized carrier frequencies. The LD-T2 was QSYed by walking up to it, operating two key switches to disable output and modulation, pushing a "channel" selector button, then waiting until the indicator light showed auto- tuning was correct. Then the two key switches were returned to normal transmit and the RF current meter on the antenna lines checked. Took less than a minute to do that, took Stds a bit longer to confirm the correct carrier frequency (pilot carrier in mid-sideband). THAT took skill. It did for the SSB transmitters, including the LD-T2. Maintenance on the teams had to reset the preset pots if a new frequency was authorized. That required the same tuning-up was with a manual- control Tx. The difference between that and the RTTY transmitters was the requirement to check the audio quality for both level and distortion. The objective was MINIMUM DOWN TIME so as to keep the up-time for actual message transmissions maximum. A typical SSB radio circuit carried a voice order-wire channel, an overseas radiotelephone voice channel, and 8 to 12 TTY channels, all on the same transmitter. At least four of the RTTY radio circuits had time-multiplexed TTY to carry up to four TTY channels; outage on one of those circuits was multiplied four time. HF comms across Pacific would routinely do about 3 QSYs per 24 hour period. With at least 30 transmitters on-circuit 24/7 that meant at least 10 QSYs per shift. Ahhhhh...You changed the channel three times a day. WRONG. I wrote TEN times per shift...on the average. We would do at least 8 on a calm-ionosphere work shift but could do as many as 18 QSYs if the ionosphere was doing nonsense. At the old transmitter site on Tsukushima, commercial Japanese power was primary. That power was not consistent and any shift might have to do a full recheck after cutting over to standby generators (400 KWe minimum out of six motor-generator sets). That meant EVERYTHING that was on-circuit had to be checked, including poor Frequency Standards having to juggle their General Radio instrument controls for every single radio circuit and reporting it on the order-wire. The new site at Kashiwa (later renamed Camp Tomlinson) had 600 KWe 24/7 motor-generators and did not rely on Japanese electric power. Oooooooohhhhhhhh...NOW I am IMPRESSED! You should be, but then you've never been tasked with that sort of job. It's easy for you push-button black-box changers to make fun of manual control over nearly everything. ADA did have "VFO" control through a couple of Northern Electric tunable exciters, but nearly all the HF radios were crystal controlled, TTY through SSB. The microwave radio relay terminals (arriving late 1954) were all crystal controlled at 1.8 GHz (!). Predecessors to the uWave were TRC-1 VHF radio relay (FM, both Rx and Tx crystalled) and TRC-8 UHF radio relay (FM, Tx crystal, Rx manually tuned). Land forces HT radio, PRC-6, was crystal-controlled, no channel changing possible. The backpack PRC-8 through -10, was actually "VFO" on low VHF, manually tuned via a built-in crystal harmonic calibrator. Surprisingly, the "PRC-8 family" was stable as well as rugged, holding its locked manually-tuned frequency within spec. But never a radio OPERATOR. Yell-yell WRONGO again. See above. Uh huh...So impressive...Changed the channel on the presets. Only on the single WE LD-T2...but then I had to set up those presets from the beginning. :-) The other 35 transmitters (besides the 8 that were installed later, the new LD-T2 and the 40 KW Collins linear amplifiers, all preset pretuned) were MANUAL tuning 7-foot high transmitters. A single Collins 1 KW Autotune transmitter was there for about a half year, but used only for the FEC Commander's aircraft. That was "traded" (?) with the USAF for a couple Wilcox HF transmitters with the old brute-force AM power amps. The Wilcox Tx was interesting in that it had 3 separate HF boxes, selectable by a switch. While that might be taken as "channelization" those were fussy beasts and had to be constantly checked if up; ADA later sent the RF part back to the depot, keeping the big AM power amp and supply, marrying it with a 1 KW BC-339 CW transmitter now becoming a 1 KW AM radio circuit. That worked just fine and could also (like the lower power truck mounted HF field radio) carry simultaneous TTY via an FSK exciter. Except for the post-WW2 WE Tx, GE microwave terminals, and Northern Electric exciters, almost all of the equipment we used at ADA was made on contract during WW2. That includes the VHF and UHF radio relay equipment used when phone cables went down. The two ancient WE SSB transmitters were built prior to WW2. All tubes, nearly all manually operated. Try again, Sir Putzy. Rest of usual muck and mayhem deleted. You started off stupid and got worse (if that's possible) Tsk, tsk, tsk. I see that there's no possibily of your replying in a "civil discourse" manner. You continue to make fun of something you know absolutely nothing of and won't take the trouble to find out. Not good. NURSIE is SPOILED by modern, solid-state, frequency-synthesized tune to any frequency with crystal stability ham equipment...and fine military airborne equipment she never once had any responsibility for designing or proving. Tsk. |
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#15
August 25th 04, 11:07 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Back at Ya, NURSIE From: (Len Over 21) Date: 8/24/2004 4:38 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Back At Ya, Brian..... From: (Len Over 21) Date: 8/23/2004 3:51 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: NURSIE think I not "qualified!" I not qualified for morsemanship in amateur radio. I qualified for commercial radio, for military radio, in fact any radio...receivers or transmittes, any frequency range up to 24 GHz. Been there, done that, several times over. Great, Lennie. Then why don't you expend your verbose antagonisms in a military or commercial radio related newsgroup...?!?! This forum is about AMATEUR RADIO. Then why have you discussed the SPACE BUSINESS at length in here with another, neither one of you having ANY experience in the space business? Because I am not the one who feels it necessary to go off on "off-topic" rants and THEN chastise those participating in it fro having done it! Like YOU ! ! NOPE. NURSIE do all the Yell-yell, then act the hypocrite and talk about space business, national politics, the god-worshipping of Bush and the damnation of Clinton and Kerry, and a host of OTHER subjects which aren't even CLOSE to amateur radio policy matters. It's very apparent that you are lost and refuse to look at a map or stop and ask directions. Tsk, tsk. I use maps all the time. MapQuest very handy for trips. Available free over the Internet! Maps from AAA also free, have an up-to-date collection (rather used) in the car. :-) I bet that drives Mrs Lennie nuts. Not at all. Why you mention wife? You like other guys' wives? Depends on if they like me. I bet Mrs Lennie smells like Mr. Lennie, so not to worry. Tsk, tsk. NURSIE again trying left-handed insult to spouse. Is that what modern American amateur radio has come to? U.S. ham radio is all about INSULTS against those that aren't licensed in the amateur radio hobby? Why doesn't "Quitefine" jump in here with a lecture on manners? Shall we all comment something nasty about Mrs. Nursie? No. That would be acting like yourself, and that is a definite No-No. Get some mental help for your obsessive hate and anger, NURSIE. It will be better for all of us, including yourself. |
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#16
August 25th 04, 11:52 PM
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In article ,
(Brian) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: And this was not about you. It was about Brian P Burke misrepresenting his identity and not being man enough or having the conviction to stand behind his opinions. More transference. NURSIE doesn't pay much attention to his emotional outbursts in here...says he "never said such a thing" after he said it. Strange. Of course; he lies. But since he's nuts he's not responsible for his actions. Yell-yell will rationalize anything... Maybe he was battered as a child? Tempura best. Corn flour second best. He rolled in tar den fethers. Teribull batter. True. Maybe he was the subject of a new fast-food culinary delight called "horn dog on a stick?" :-) Because I do have convictions I receive a lot of flack from Yell DMC. Yell-yell be da dill sergeant still. He obsessed wid it. He stoopid jerk. It OK. He not sponsible for he actions. I tink dat why he not in da murines no mo' For instance, when Part 97 says you cannot take compensation for amateur radio, then a repeater owner charges dues.... Mama Dee say dat okay. Dee say many thing. Sumptin she right, sumptin she wong. Noo noo. Always RIGHT, always right! Of course we gots da HRO stores making profit from ham radio... But dey not get paid for transmitting. Control Op/rpeeter owner do. In dat case, at least one HRO store guilty... :-) [that's the one that nursie went to but doesn't remember where it is in any detail...:-) ] For instance, when Part 97 specifies only a Morse Code exam can satisfy element 1, and the VEC's administer Farnsworth exams.... Mama Dee say dat ok too. She say Part 97 doesn't describe hamexaminations. She wrongo. We spank Mama for boo-boo? No spankin Dee. Mite make joy. Ah so! :-) For instance, when a poster states, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" DoD ought to spank Yell-yell. :-) Ott do more work rebiltating stoopid jerk. Donny R. otta writ a letter to VA. For instance, when a poster behaves insanely, I call him nuts. ...or irrational...or whacko...or crazy...or an extra? :-) LHA / WMD Fruitcake. From 1957 holiday season... |
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#17
August 26th 04, 09:42 AM
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Subject: Back at Ya, NURSIE
From: (Brian) Date: 8/25/2004 2:46 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: And this was not about you. It was about Brian P Burke misrepresenting his identity and not being man enough or having the conviction to stand behind his opinions. More transference. NURSIE doesn't pay much attention to his emotional outbursts in here...says he "never said such a thing" after he said it. Strange. Of course; he lies. But since he's nuts he's not responsible for his actions. Yell-yell will rationalize anything... Maybe he was battered as a child? Tempura best. Corn flour second best. He rolled in tar den fethers. Teribull batter. Because I do have convictions I receive a lot of flack from Yell DMC. Yell-yell be da dill sergeant still. He obsessed wid it. He stoopid jerk. It OK. He not sponsible for he actions. Brian, you took the first step, and I admire and appreciate that. Now if we can get you to stop the baby-babble and Lenniesque insults, we'll be at the point you said we can't be at. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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#18
August 26th 04, 12:01 PM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (Brian) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: And this was not about you. It was about Brian P Burke misrepresenting his identity and not being man enough or having the conviction to stand behind his opinions. More transference. NURSIE doesn't pay much attention to his emotional outbursts in here...says he "never said such a thing" after he said it. Strange. Of course; he lies. But since he's nuts he's not responsible for his actions. Yell-yell will rationalize anything... Maybe he was battered as a child? Tempura best. Corn flour second best. He rolled in tar den fethers. Teribull batter. True. Maybe he was the subject of a new fast-food culinary delight called "horn dog on a stick?" :-) I saw he once at circus. He funny clown dog like elephant leg too much. Because I do have convictions I receive a lot of flack from Yell DMC. Yell-yell be da dill sergeant still. He obsessed wid it. He stoopid jerk. It OK. He not sponsible for he actions. I tink dat why he not in da murines no mo' Dey not ged his medesin right. Dey never ged it right. For instance, when Part 97 says you cannot take compensation for amateur radio, then a repeater owner charges dues.... Mama Dee say dat okay. Dee say many thing. Sumptin she right, sumptin she wong. Noo noo. Always RIGHT, always right! When mamma not happy, nowone happy. Of course we gots da HRO stores making profit from ham radio... But dey not get paid for transmitting. Control Op/rpeeter owner do. In dat case, at least one HRO store guilty... :-) [that's the one that nursie went to but doesn't remember where it is in any detail...:-) ] Anoder bad medesin day? For instance, when Part 97 specifies only a Morse Code exam can satisfy element 1, and the VEC's administer Farnsworth exams.... Mama Dee say dat ok too. She say Part 97 doesn't describe hamexaminations. She wrongo. We spank Mama for boo-boo? No spankin Dee. Mite make joy. Ah so! :-) Who nose? For instance, when a poster states, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" DoD ought to spank Yell-yell. :-) Ott do more work rebiltating stoopid jerk. Donny R. otta writ a letter to VA. He busy maken peeramid wid nekked prisoners. For instance, when a poster behaves insanely, I call him nuts. ...or irrational...or whacko...or crazy...or an extra? :-) LHA / WMD Fruitcake. From 1957 holiday season... Too crunchee. |
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August 26th 04, 09:01 PM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: And this was not about you. It was about Brian P Burke misrepresenting his identity and not being man enough or having the conviction to stand behind his opinions. More transference. NURSIE doesn't pay much attention to his emotional outbursts in here...says he "never said such a thing" after he said it. Strange. Of course; he lies. But since he's nuts he's not responsible for his actions. Yell-yell will rationalize anything... Maybe he was battered as a child? Tempura best. Corn flour second best. He rolled in tar den fethers. Teribull batter. True. Maybe he was the subject of a new fast-food culinary delight called "horn dog on a stick?" :-) I saw he once at circus. He funny clown dog like elephant leg too much. Because I do have convictions I receive a lot of flack from Yell DMC. Yell-yell be da dill sergeant still. He obsessed wid it. He stoopid jerk. It OK. He not sponsible for he actions. I tink dat why he not in da murines no mo' Dey not ged his medesin right. Dey never ged it right. For instance, when Part 97 says you cannot take compensation for amateur radio, then a repeater owner charges dues.... Mama Dee say dat okay. Dee say many thing. Sumptin she right, sumptin she wong. Noo noo. Always RIGHT, always right! When mamma not happy, nowone happy. Of course we gots da HRO stores making profit from ham radio... But dey not get paid for transmitting. Control Op/rpeeter owner do. In dat case, at least one HRO store guilty... :-) [that's the one that nursie went to but doesn't remember where it is in any detail...:-) ] Anoder bad medesin day? For instance, when Part 97 specifies only a Morse Code exam can satisfy element 1, and the VEC's administer Farnsworth exams.... Mama Dee say dat ok too. She say Part 97 doesn't describe hamexaminations. She wrongo. We spank Mama for boo-boo? No spankin Dee. Mite make joy. Ah so! :-) Who nose? For instance, when a poster states, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" DoD ought to spank Yell-yell. :-) Ott do more work rebiltating stoopid jerk. Donny R. otta writ a letter to VA. He busy maken peeramid wid nekked prisoners. For instance, when a poster behaves insanely, I call him nuts. ...or irrational...or whacko...or crazy...or an extra? :-) LHA / WMD Fruitcake. From 1957 holiday season... Too crunchee. Mebbe NURSIE like dat. After so long refusing to eat crow (after being presented with sumptuous meals of it regularly), he might like something crunchee...maybe with a side of kimchee...? :-) Tsk. "Quitefine" ought to jump in here and do Lecture thing...must be too busy with "affairs of state" like presidential politics, information infrastructure, national economy, space business, etc. Das robust oberst is waiting in the wings, machine gun loaded with blanks... NURSIE still in fantasyland giving his phantasms high-fives for "hitting nails on heads." NURSIE should have been at Golgotha..."Cross your legs, we have only three nails..." :-) |
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August 26th 04, 09:01 PM
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(gunnery nurse Yell-yell when the bands are down) writes: Because I do have convictions I receive a lot of flack from Yell DMC. Yell-yell be da dill sergeant still. He obsessed wid it. He stoopid jerk. It OK. He not sponsible for he actions. Brian, you took the first step, and I admire and appreciate that. Now if we can get you to stop the baby-babble and Lenniesque insults, we'll be at the point you said we can't be at. NURSIE still trying to play back-pedal, doesn't understand... NURSIE not understand language "simplified" so that NURSIE can understand it...and not laugh at others' intellects even though she has so little. :-) |
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