Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

Every American should have an interest in increasing the number of
potential emergency radio operators. You just never know when you
might need one, and Morse Code just isn't needed to be an effective
emergency radio operator.

Brian, there's no use trying to argue with "Quitefine," an unconvincing
screen surrogate of James P. Miccolis. :-)

He is stuck in the morsemanship rut and not even a Land Rover can
yank him out.

Let him admire the code keys on display at the AWA and let him
live in the past pioneers' time, which he did not.

I find that intriguing coming from a man who feels compelled to make
numerous posts, spanning the better part of a decade, to a newsgroup
dealing with an endeavor in which he has no part.

Dave K8MN

You say he has no part, yet he has contributed to the amateur
literature, and he has commented on amateur matters to the FCC. There
are probably amateurs (the kind with a license) who have made fewer
contributions than has Len. How strange that you say he has no part.

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

Every American should have an interest in increasing the number of
potential emergency radio operators. You just never know when you
might need one, and Morse Code just isn't needed to be an effective
emergency radio operator.

Brian, there's no use trying to argue with "Quitefine," an unconvincing
screen surrogate of James P. Miccolis. :-)

He is stuck in the morsemanship rut and not even a Land Rover can
yank him out.

Let him admire the code keys on display at the AWA and let him
live in the past pioneers' time, which he did not.

I find that intriguing coming from a man who feels compelled to make
numerous posts, spanning the better part of a decade, to a newsgroup
dealing with an endeavor in which he has no part.

Dave K8MN

You say he has no part, yet he has contributed to the amateur
literature,

Literature? I'll concede that Leonard authored some articles for a
commericial venture in the form of an amateur radio magazine. That
didn't make him a radio amateur.

and he has commented on amateur matters to the FCC.

By your logic, comments to the Commission on broadcast station ownership
make one involved in broadcasting. Len's comments didn't make him a
radio amateur.

There
are probably amateurs (the kind with a license) who have made fewer
contributions than has Len.

Is something one does for money a contribution? Is something which
results in a negative action a contribution? Is something which results
in no action a contribution?

How strange that you say he has no part.

Len has no amateur radio license. Len may not operate radio equipment
under Part 97 of the FCC regs. Len is not a regulator of amateur radio.
I don't find that strange at all. I find it fitting.

Dave K8MN

Subject: Canadian No Code Proposal Open For Comment
From: Dave Heil
Date: 9/9/2004 11:29 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

William wrote:

You say he has no part, yet he has contributed to the amateur
literature,

Literature? I'll concede that Leonard authored some articles for a
commericial venture in the form of an amateur radio magazine. That
didn't make him a radio amateur.

Let's be a bit more precise, Dave.

We can concede that Lennie's name appeared as having authored those
articles.

We have no evidence that it WAS his work.

His conduct in this forum as evidence leads me to believe that the
originality of the articles is dubious, at best. Conversations with people who
knew him tend to cement that opinion.

and he has commented on amateur matters to the FCC.

By your logic, comments to the Commission on broadcast station ownership
make one involved in broadcasting. Len's comments didn't make him a
radio amateur.

Lennie's "comments" are the same stuff over and over.

The military and maritime services don't use Morse anymore, so Amateurs
shouldn't either.

Not one bit of understanding about what he's commenting on. Still can't
separate the "AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE" from anything else. He left the Army
during the Eisenhower administration and with it his last "exposure" to ANY HF
radio operating...save for maybe CB...

And what "points" he can't make repeating that over and over he "makes" by
attacking the other writers...Of course when someone suggest HE'S less than
adequately informed on matters, he can't stop wailing about it for years...

There
are probably amateurs (the kind with a license) who have made fewer
contributions than has Len.

Is something one does for money a contribution? Is something which
results in a negative action a contribution? Is something which results
in no action a contribution?

Better yet...

Find me ONE article in any OTHER Amateur periodical that cites Lennie's
"work" as theoretical basework for some project.

How strange that you say he has no part.

Len has no amateur radio license. Len may not operate radio equipment
under Part 97 of the FCC regs. Len is not a regulator of amateur radio.
I don't find that strange at all. I find it fitting.

He could have been a contender.

Since he won't enter the race, he won't even be a runner up.

73

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...

Let's be a bit more precise, Dave.

Since he won't enter the race, he won't even be a runner up.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Amateur Radio is not a race. Until you get your facts right, you'll
continue to be wrong.

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len has no amateur radio license. Len may not operate radio equipment
under Part 97 of the FCC regs. Len is not a regulator of amateur radio.
I don't find that strange at all. I find it fitting.

Davie boy is NOT a regulator of amateur radio.

Davie boy is NOT keeping within bounds of the subject thread.

Davie boy still puts on the ASS rental uniform and makes like
a bad imitation of Otto Preminger's character in "Stalag 17."

Davie boy...I am fully qualified, by long experience and training
to "operate" radio equipment. I'm just not AUTHORIZED to emit
RF within U.S. amateur radio bands as a civilian.

You have self-established "definitions" which are incorrect outside
of amateurism. To use your definitions in your own quaint way of
defining things, I couldn't even check out radios on a bench in a
clean room. :-) You imply (incorrectly) that I could not, ever,
"operate" any radio in any HF place...which is not truth according
to U.S. radio regulations.

Amateur radio operators are NOT authorized to emit RF outside of
amateur radio bands...unless they have a valid commercial radio
operator's license.

Some amateurs, like Davie boy, seem to think they are authorized
to emit all sorts of feces-surrogate remarks on the Internet. :-)

Tsk.

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len has no amateur radio license. Len may not operate radio equipment
under Part 97 of the FCC regs. Len is not a regulator of amateur radio.
I don't find that strange at all. I find it fitting.

Davie boy is NOT a regulator of amateur radio.

No, Davie boy is a long time actual participant. Lennie boy is neither
a regulator nor a participant. He is to amateur radio what a weed
whacker is to sky diving.

Davie boy is NOT keeping within bounds of the subject thread.

Lennie boy hasn't done that in the years I've read his extensive output.

Davie boy still puts on the ASS rental uniform and makes like
a bad imitation of Otto Preminger's character in "Stalag 17."

I've been promoted? To think, when you told me to shut up, I was only a
feldwebel.

Davie boy...I am fully qualified, by long experience and training
to "operate" radio equipment.

So you've told us on countless occasions. Of course, that would seem to
be a mode dependent statement.

I'm just not AUTHORIZED to emit
RF within U.S. amateur radio bands as a civilian.

That's funny, I thought I said that. I'll not that you are not in the
military so "as a civilian" would be the only way for you to emit RF in
the ham bands. Ah, but you can't do that.

You have self-established "definitions" which are incorrect outside
of amateurism.

"Amateurism"? What, pray tell, is that? The only definition I'm
concerned with, Lennie boy, is the one which prevents you from taking to
the air under Part 97 of the FCC regs.

To use your definitions in your own quaint way of
defining things, I couldn't even check out radios on a bench in a
clean room. :-)

....not transmitters with an antenna attached under Part 97, you
couldn't.
My "quaint way" says that you aren't a ham. It really is that simple.


You imply (incorrectly) that I could not, ever,
"operate" any radio in any HF place...which is not truth according
to U.S. radio regulations.

I implied no such thing, Lennie boy. I wrote quite precisely what I
meant to convey. I couldn't care less about where you operate HF as a
non-radio amateur which, after all, is what you are.

Amateur radio operators are NOT authorized to emit RF outside of
amateur radio bands...unless they have a valid commercial radio
operator's license.

Do you think that comes as a surprise to those of us who are radio
amateurs? Is it your feeling that we'd feel hurt by such a statement?

Some amateurs, like Davie boy, seem to think they are authorized
to emit all sorts of feces-surrogate remarks on the Internet. :-)

If you're the feces-surrogate, I'm authorized. :-) :-)

Tsk.

Double Tsk.

Dave K8MN

Subject: Canadian No Code Proposal Open For Comment
From: Dave Heil
Date: 9/10/2004 11:48 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Davie boy...I am fully qualified, by long experience and training
to "operate" radio equipment.

So you've told us on countless occasions. Of course, that would seem to
be a mode dependent statement.

I'm just not AUTHORIZED to emit
RF within U.S. amateur radio bands as a civilian.

That's funny, I thought I said that. I'll not that you are not in the
military so "as a civilian" would be the only way for you to emit RF in
the ham bands. Ah, but you can't do that.

Nor is Lennie AUTHORIZED to emit RF within any OTHER band, except within
the limits of the STATION LICENSE of the person or entity who retains his
services, and then ONLY when acting under the auspices of that license.

So sayeth the FCC.

You have self-established "definitions" which are incorrect outside
of amateurism.

"Amateurism"? What, pray tell, is that? The only definition I'm
concerned with, Lennie boy, is the one which prevents you from taking to
the air under Part 97 of the FCC regs.

I am wondering about those "self-established "definitions"" too.

Seems to me that all of the licensed persons here (with the exception of
Vippy) pretty much understand all of the "definitions". The one who is
confused and keeps trying to re-write any "definitions" is the guy without the
license and without any practical experience in AMATEUR Radio.

To use your definitions in your own quaint way of
defining things, I couldn't even check out radios on a bench in a
clean room.

...not transmitters with an antenna attached under Part 97, you
couldn't.
My "quaint way" says that you aren't a ham. It really is that simple.

You imply (incorrectly) that I could not, ever,
"operate" any radio in any HF place...which is not truth according
to U.S. radio regulations.

You MAY operate an HF radio on 11 meters without further licensure or
exam. You may also do so under Part 15 in certain bands.

You may only operate a maritime radio that has a proper FCC station
license, and with the permission of the owner or Captain. (assuming you are on
a US-flagged vessel.)

I implied no such thing, Lennie boy. I wrote quite precisely what I
meant to convey. I couldn't care less about where you operate HF as a
non-radio amateur which, after all, is what you are.

Seems Lennie's a "non" in a LOT of things.

Amateur radio operators are NOT authorized to emit RF outside of
amateur radio bands...unless they have a valid commercial radio
operator's license.

Do you think that comes as a surprise to those of us who are radio
amateurs? Is it your feeling that we'd feel hurt by such a statement?

Why does Lennie seem to think that uttering all sorts of obscure
"revelations" about radio regulations presents him as "enlightened"...???

With the aforementioned exceptions not withstanding, Lennie is not
authorized to emit RF ANYwhere where the Stars and Stripes flies.

It really is THAT simple.

73

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Canadian No Code Proposal Open For Comment
From: Dave Heil
Date: 9/10/2004 11:48 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Nor is Lennie AUTHORIZED to emit RF within any OTHER band, except within
the limits of the STATION LICENSE of the person or entity who retains his
services, and then ONLY when acting under the auspices of that license.

So sayeth the FCC.

What sayeth Part 15?

Subject: Canadian No Code Proposal Open For Comment
From: (William)
Date: 9/11/2004 10:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Canadian No Code Proposal Open For Comment
From: Dave Heil
Date: 9/10/2004 11:48 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Nor is Lennie AUTHORIZED to emit RF within any OTHER band, except
within
the limits of the STATION LICENSE of the person or entity who retains his
services, and then ONLY when acting under the auspices of that license.

So sayeth the FCC.

What sayeth Part 15?

I believe I have repeatedly stated "...Part 15 and Part 95 operation
notwithstanding" as it pertains to Lennie's "HF" operating, Brain.

And Lennie STILL can't operate any radio station on HF without an FCC
issued station license, Part 15 and Part 95 notwithstanding...

BTW, Brain, Your Mentor spent some amount of time bragging about how he
could/would get on "HF" per Part 15 within the Amateur Bands, however has yet
to do it. Wonder what's keeping him...?!?!

Wonder how long it takes a professional radio engineer to slap together
enough 2n2222's to emit Part 15 level RF ...???

Sheeeesh.

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

I am fully qualified, by long experience and training
to "operate" radio equipment.

The FCC does not think so.



I'm just not AUTHORIZED to emit
RF within U.S. amateur radio bands as a civilian.

You are neither qualified nor authorized to
operate an amateur radio station.

Your opinion on the issue does not matter.
Our opinion on the issue does not matter.
FCC's opinion on the issue does matter.