On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:12:42 GMT, wrote:

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:07:27 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote:


Buy a new brain, sucker -- obviously the one you have is
capable of remembering only one snotty retort.

I doubt if he remembers it, he probably has to cut and paste it.

On 07 Sep 2004 21:25:16 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:


Good satire, John! I wonder how many will think that is a real
rant? :-)

Are you sure that it wasn't?



"When I was young we made our own ICs, whittling them out of
wood!" - [anon. tagline]

de John, KC2HMZ
Tonawanda, NY
"Real men don't do Windows."

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...

The quality of trolling on this newsgroup is getting worse every day.
What can be done to improve it? Troll schools? Troll certification?
Troll Elmers? What????

I say we re-activate the 14.313 kook wars of year's past.
Perhaps even parts of 75 Meters as well. Ratchet up the QRM
and goofyness on the HF bands, that will no doubt draw-off
much of the mayhem from off of the NG's. Just be sure to
not use your callsign and RH will not bother you.

In article , John Kasupski
writes:

Good satire, John! I wonder how many will think that is a real
rant? :-)

Are you sure that it wasn't?

Yes, quite sure. :-)

As one who still "has an interest" in personal computers, I built
my first one (Southwest Technical Products Company) 6800 uP
system in 1976 when the only "DOS" available was the Intel
development system using 8" floppy disks affordable only by
industry...and the just-beginning CP/M (Control Program,
Microprocessors) that was "standard" for a while. Having access
to an HP network analyzer in 1974, I've even had to manually
toggle in the initial loader for the P-tape "bootstrap" program to
bring the HP 2116 minicomputer heart of the analyzer up to
loading its main P-tape program. :-)

The Apple ][+ purchased in 1980 was much easier to use than
the tape cassette "mass memory" storage of the SwTPc 6800
and it did use a DOS of sorts (final version 3.3) for the fantastic
143 KBytes of 5" floppy storage (one side, drive easily modified
to R/W from the other side). Got so "interested" I joined the
A.P.P.L.E. group (Apple Puget Sound Program Library Exchange)
and became a contributor to Call-A.P.P.L.E., their monthly mag.
With the Big Mac (macro Assembler plus Disassembler) I worked
out how the Applesoft numeric routines worked and learned 6502
instructions and independently disassembled their DOS 3.3 in
order to access certain features of it. Fun thing to do, intellectually
stimulating.

That led to an interest in FORTH, also a fun interpreter using RPN
notation that the HP pocket scientific calculators used. I'd already
joined the HP program library exchange and contributed a dozen
HP-67 programs to it. Harder to do since the number of program
steps were limited to 224 in that calculator. A local FORTH
interest group met once a week to trade ideas and programs.

The first of the "big" PCs was the "IBM" and I bit the bullet to get
one of those, coincidentally using only DOS-level commands. That
allowed the final version of LINEA released as shareware in 1993
(frequency domain circuit analysis) and the first of the LCie
sharewares (L-C filter design). Both LINEA and LCie are now
freeware, still operate at DOS level since I didn't bother to upgrade
to high-level programming in C++ or Windows (Windows wasn't yet
available when I got the first PC). LINEA and LCie were both done
with MS FORTRAN 5.1, long since dropped by MS.

Windows 3.3 was my first fenestra into GUI, later upgraded to Win95,
then to Win98, and finally Windows XP in the current PC box HD.
Microsoft DOS is still accessible in WinXP but MS did remove a few
niceties from the original which my FORTRAN developed programs
could no longer access. :-) Rewrite was needed and that required
some extended search and explore and to use MASM to write some
Assembler routines to make them fit...which required learning the
Intel instructions...completed only for LCie, the other four will have
to wait in the time-share queue...:-)

A rather long time ago I was doing HF communications transmitting
the old-fashioned way...manually, on tube equipment. HF radio
changed but lots of olde-tymers couldn't. I began in personal
computing via microprocessors and programmable calculators a
quarter century ago and that changed. Dramatically. I know one
PC olde-tymer who is still slogging along at DOS level, refusing to
change to any form of GUI even though much younger than I and
got into it later than I. Can't understand that.

Is there a relationship between DOS v. Windows on PCs and
the all-manual, hold to morsemanship-at-all-costs-amateurs? Yes.
I see it, have seen it.

Ergo, I rate your little message as a wonderful satire, John, good
work at that. :-)




"When I was young we made our own ICs, whittling them out of
wood!" - [anon. tagline]

:-)

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , John Kasupski
writes:

(snip of a rather lengthy history of Leonard Anderson involvement with
computers)

A rather long time ago I was doing HF communications transmitting
the old-fashioned way...manually, on tube equipment.

A great many of us did that too.

HF radio
changed but lots of olde-tymers couldn't.

A lot more could and did.

I began in personal
computing via microprocessors and programmable calculators a
quarter century ago and that changed. Dramatically. I know one
PC olde-tymer who is still slogging along at DOS level, refusing to
change to any form of GUI even though much younger than I and
got into it later than I. Can't understand that.

Is there a reason he should change doing what he enjoys simply because
you can't understand it?

Is there a relationship between DOS v. Windows on PCs and
the all-manual, hold to morsemanship-at-all-costs-amateurs? Yes.
I see it, have seen it.

You might see something which you perceive as similar. Then again, you
have no experience in morse code use or experience in amateur radio.
That inexperience leads you to write things like
"morsemanship-at-all-costs". Please explain what method you currently
use under MS Windows (any version) to delete a file which the Windows
program is using at that moment. Can you say "DOS"? ;-)

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

You might see something which you perceive as similar. Then again, you
have no experience in morse code use or experience in amateur radio.
That inexperience leads you to write things like
"morsemanship-at-all-costs". Please explain what method you currently
use under MS Windows (any version) to delete a file which the Windows
program is using at that moment. Can you say "DOS"? ;-)

No problem. I can say "doss." I know that it's an acronym for Disk
Operating System.

NO Microsoft Windows product lets you delete a running file. You
have to quit the program first. [that's called "closing the file"]

Once you've quit a program that Windows had been using, you can
"drag and drop" into the Recycle Bin (via mouse), right-click on the
mouse and left-click on the "delete" in the pull-down menu, or go
to DOS level (two ways, by the way) and type in the "del filename"
at the Command prompt. Works at every Windows version from 3.3
to XP.

Is there anything else you need to know about file deletions? If so,
go to the Microsoft website and ask for help. They have lots of Help
items there.

Your problem, Herr uber-oberst, is that you just cannot "delete" ME.
Not no way. You not know how. Ergo, all you can play is the hand
with the personal denigrations cards. You keep losing. Tsk.

Now, did you want to remark on the ARRL proposal or are you having
too much fun peeing in the pool? :-)

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

You might see something which you perceive as similar. Then again, you
have no experience in morse code use or experience in amateur radio.
That inexperience leads you to write things like
"morsemanship-at-all-costs". Please explain what method you currently
use under MS Windows (any version) to delete a file which the Windows
program is using at that moment. Can you say "DOS"? ;-)

No problem. I can say "doss." I know that it's an acronym for Disk
Operating System.

There's a step in the right direction.

NO Microsoft Windows product lets you delete a running file. You
have to quit the program first. [that's called "closing the file"]

Remember that you've written the above.

Once you've quit a program that Windows had been using, you can
"drag and drop" into the Recycle Bin (via mouse), right-click on the
mouse and left-click on the "delete" in the pull-down menu, or go
to DOS level (two ways, by the way) and type in the "del filename"
at the Command prompt. Works at every Windows version from 3.3
to XP.

None of those will work with something which is running as part of the
operating system *or* with a running executable such as a virus.
Typically, one must exit the Windows program, go to DOS and delete such
a file.

Is there anything else you need to know about file deletions? If so,
go to the Microsoft website and ask for help. They have lots of Help
items there.

Good. Go there. Read them.

Your problem, Herr uber-oberst, is that you just cannot "delete" ME.

Sure, I can delete Millenium Edition.

Not no way. You not know how. Ergo, all you can play is the hand
with the personal denigrations cards. You keep losing. Tsk.

Sure, *chortle* Mr. Windows. Think you'll ever respond to my post
asking about your frequent and continued denigration of others? Tsk
tsk.

Now, did you want to remark on the ARRL proposal or are you having
too much fun peeing in the pool? :-)

Might I ask you the same after your computer dissertation, followed by
your swipe at those who campaign for the retention of morse testing? :-)

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

You might see something which you perceive as similar. Then again, you
have no experience in morse code use or experience in amateur radio.
That inexperience leads you to write things like
"morsemanship-at-all-costs". Please explain what method you currently
use under MS Windows (any version) to delete a file which the Windows
program is using at that moment. Can you say "DOS"? ;-)

No problem. I can say "doss." I know that it's an acronym for Disk
Operating System.

There's a step in the right direction.

Der uber-oberst is on a nastygram roll? You slipped in the butter...


NO Microsoft Windows product lets you delete a running file. You
have to quit the program first. [that's called "closing the file"]

Remember that you've written the above.

I've remembered it since the first time I installed Windows 3.3.

Long time ago.

You finally get around to reading your MS manual, olde-tymer?

You CAN turn off your computer power completely in the middle
of running a program. That's about as "delete" as you can get.

Whether or not your program or operating system survives intact
is solely up to the whims of the operating system. :-)

But...this is NOT about computers, is it?

It's all about Davie trying his very best (really the worst for others)
to misdirect and try to lay blame of others for "saying wrong
things." Davie do dat often. Almost all the time in here...


Your problem, Herr uber-oberst, is that you just cannot "delete" ME.

Sure, I can delete Millenium Edition.

Delete it? Heck, Davie boy, you aren't IN the new millennium yet
mentally.

[yes, ha ha, we all saw the "pun" of "ME" = Millennium Edition, even
if you forgot there are two Ns in millennium...ha ha]


Now, did you want to remark on the ARRL proposal or are you having
too much fun peeing in the pool? :-)

Might I ask you the same after your computer dissertation, followed by
your swipe at those who campaign for the retention of morse testing? :-)

Davie boy, y'all aren't interested in the subject.

All you want to do is Vent whatever frustrates you in here by personal
denigrations of those you disagree with...

Davie boy, you ought to get off your computer and go play with your
Orion thingie, amaze all with your "cleverness in computers" by
jawing about your expertise on the air. Make yourself bigger than
anyone by attitude.

You waste everyone's time.

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

You might see something which you perceive as similar. Then again, you
have no experience in morse code use or experience in amateur radio.
That inexperience leads you to write things like
"morsemanship-at-all-costs". Please explain what method you currently
use under MS Windows (any version) to delete a file which the Windows
program is using at that moment. Can you say "DOS"? ;-)

No problem. I can say "doss." I know that it's an acronym for Disk
Operating System.

There's a step in the right direction.

Der uber-oberst is on a nastygram roll? You slipped in the butter...

C'mon, Lennie lad. You'll be right up there with the best of 'em soon.
Next thing you know, it's Toad in a Hole and Bob's your uncle!

NO Microsoft Windows product lets you delete a running file. You
have to quit the program first. [that's called "closing the file"]

Remember that you've written the above.

I've remembered it since the first time I installed Windows 3.3.

Long time ago.

You finally get around to reading your MS manual, olde-tymer?

You CAN turn off your computer power completely in the middle
of running a program. That's about as "delete" as you can get.

Whether or not your program or operating system survives intact
is solely up to the whims of the operating system. :-)

Operating systems have whims? :-)

But...this is NOT about computers, is it?

You tell us. You were the one who began a lengthy post about computers.

It's all about Davie trying his very best (really the worst for others)
to misdirect and try to lay blame of others for "saying wrong
things." Davie do dat often. Almost all the time in here...

No, I think it about Lennie Leghorn attempting to use his long piece on
computers to take a slap at anyone anywhere who uses morse or who
supports morse testing.

Your problem, Herr uber-oberst, is that you just cannot "delete" ME.

Sure, I can delete Millenium Edition.

Delete it? Heck, Davie boy, you aren't IN the new millennium yet
mentally.

That's right, Pops. You AOL types are really--how do the kids say
it?--"with it". Aren't you?

[yes, ha ha, we all saw the "pun" of "ME" = Millennium Edition, even
if you forgot there are two Ns in millennium...ha ha]

Thanks, "Atila". How's your little "syncophant", "William"?

Now, did you want to remark on the ARRL proposal or are you having
too much fun peeing in the pool? :-)

Might I ask you the same after your computer dissertation, followed by
your swipe at those who campaign for the retention of morse testing? :-)

Davie boy, y'all aren't interested in the subject.

Subject? Can you show me how far back it was that you even mentioned
the subject?

All you want to do is Vent whatever frustrates you in here by personal
denigrations of those you disagree with...

Lennie boy, meet Leonard boy.

Davie boy, you ought to get off your computer and go play with your
Orion thingie,

It is an amateur radio transceiver, Len. I operate it frequently. I
use my computers as well. I'll do as I choose. You continue to do what
you can.

amaze all with your "cleverness in computers" by
jawing about your expertise on the air.

I could do that or I could do it here. In fact, I did it using far
fewer words than you.

Make yourself bigger than
anyone by attitude.

Speaking from experience again? Well, at least you're experienced in
something.

You waste everyone's time.

You aren't everyone.

Dave K8MN