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Len Over 21 September 23rd 04 04:47 AM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...
(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
.com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,


(Brian Kelly) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...


Ask Brian/W3RV about his inverted "L." It's meant for absolutely
every situation and every band. You just can't miss with his

antenna.

Note how Mr. Burke misremembers what was written, and distorts the
meaning.


What I remember: I had to accept Kelly's solution or hit the highway.


A reasonable take on the "challenge."

The meaning I took away from the exchange: Kelly's solution must be
universal for it to work in my situation, therefore, it can work in
your situation as well.


Whatever that "antenna guru" has done for himself is claimed to
work anywhere else if done by anyone else.

There's no reason to stay off of 160.


W3RV has helped me with many antenna projects. He has expertise ranging

from
large Yagis to simple wire antennas.


The implementation of practical HF antennas for amateur radio is about

95%
mechanical engineering and 5% electrical engineering.

I don't think it's that big an imbalance but I agree in principle, the
physical design and execution aspects of antenna apparatus within ham
radio do tend to fall more into M.E. country than they do into E.E.
country.


Point is, the main problems are mechanical. As in where does it go,
how do I attach it to the house, where do I get the components without
paying big bucks. All of which can be answered with some thought,
knolwedge and experience.

But of course to get anyone's help, it pays to ask in a nice way and
actually listen to/read the information provided.


Time/date/freq pse?


You forgot "mode?"


When I launched the challenge somewhere around here a couple days ago
I stated that it would be most convenient for me to latch up with
Weenie Willy on 20 or 40 ssb. I knew there was no point to even
thinking about a CW contact. "Do not feed the animals" . . . 'druther
let him make an ass of himself again with his only mode.


Always offer a choice.


I made a different choice. See my reply elsewhere.


Jimmie doesn't like your choice. [as if he would...yuck]

QSL?

Don't hold yer breath

Believe me I haven't.

The point here is that, when directly asked, ol' Cecil made good.


When directly asked, I also made good.


Jimmie thinks you MUST answer his challenge. Tsk.

He
said he was an antenna guru and "CW expert" (yes, he said he was a "CW
expert") and that Morse was his "favorite fun mode".


I said that I wanted to build an antenna, that I am not a cw expert,
and that Morse is not my favorite mode.


Jimmie doesn't understand that kind of answer.

Rule one in he If a PCTA extra "challenges" anyone, that
anyone must OBEY or be cast out with all untouchables.

So when somebody
asked for a sked, he was there.


And I said "No."


They cannot take a "No."

A No answer is a no-no.

No excuses or shaggy-dog stories, he
showed up with a good signal and worked everybody who could hear him.


No excuses here, either.


Jimmie still doesn't like it, expects all to be on the PCTA extra beck
and call.

Stand-up guy.


Thank you.


I don't think they like "stand-up" in here. That stuff is comedy.
The PCTA extras in here are very, very serious about their "work."
All are required to "work" them or they get unruly.

As predicted, Mr. Burke refuses your request,


Why would I accept it?


Jimmie still doesn't understand the "challenge" was really a command.

and tries to make it
look like you are the bad guy.


He can do that all by himself. You've been doing a pretty fair job of
it lately.


Agreed.



Steve Robeson, K4CAP September 23rd 04 10:24 AM

(William) wrote in message . com...
(N2EY) wrote in message . com...

The point here is that, when directly asked, ol' Cecil made good.


When directly asked, I also made good.


You've been "directly asked" to "make good" on countless issues
and have yet to come clean on a single one.

He
said he was an antenna guru and "CW expert" (yes, he said he was a "CW
expert") and that Morse was his "favorite fun mode".


I said that I wanted to build an antenna, that I am not a cw expert,
and that Morse is not my favorite mode.

So when somebody
asked for a sked, he was there.


And I said "No."


You said no because you're a coward. Or you lied about making
the antenna...Or both.

No excuses or shaggy-dog stories, he
showed up with a good signal and worked everybody who could hear him.


No excuses here, either.


Yeah..."no excuses"..."no answers"..."no reasons"..."no
validity"..."no facts"..."no common sense"...

Stand-up guy.


Thank you.


Just like you, Burke, to take an accolade for another and bestowe
it upon yourself. Kinda like Lennie's efforts to embellish his Army
record with the sacrifices of men who died three years before he was
in the Army.

As predicted, Mr. Burke refuses your request,


Why would I accept it?


To prove some of your own boasts of proficiency in operating?

I say you just can't do it. Not up to it and don't have the
skills.

and tries to make it
look like you are the bad guy.


He can do that all by himself. You've been doing a pretty fair job of
it lately.


But no where NEAR your level, Brian...Keep up the "good"
work...You are your own best "ambassador"...

Steve, K4YZ

William September 23rd 04 11:55 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...
(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
. com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,


(Brian Kelly) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...


Ask Brian/W3RV about his inverted "L." It's meant for absolutely
every situation and every band. You just can't miss with his

antenna.

Note how Mr. Burke misremembers what was written, and distorts the
meaning.


What I remember: I had to accept Kelly's solution or hit the highway.


A reasonable take on the "challenge."

The meaning I took away from the exchange: Kelly's solution must be
universal for it to work in my situation, therefore, it can work in
your situation as well.


Whatever that "antenna guru" has done for himself is claimed to
work anywhere else if done by anyone else.

There's no reason to stay off of 160.


W3RV has helped me with many antenna projects. He has expertise ranging

from
large Yagis to simple wire antennas.


The implementation of practical HF antennas for amateur radio is about

95%
mechanical engineering and 5% electrical engineering.

I don't think it's that big an imbalance but I agree in principle, the
physical design and execution aspects of antenna apparatus within ham
radio do tend to fall more into M.E. country than they do into E.E.
country.

Point is, the main problems are mechanical. As in where does it go,
how do I attach it to the house, where do I get the components without
paying big bucks. All of which can be answered with some thought,
knolwedge and experience.

But of course to get anyone's help, it pays to ask in a nice way and
actually listen to/read the information provided.


Time/date/freq pse?


You forgot "mode?"


When I launched the challenge somewhere around here a couple days ago
I stated that it would be most convenient for me to latch up with
Weenie Willy on 20 or 40 ssb. I knew there was no point to even
thinking about a CW contact. "Do not feed the animals" . . . 'druther
let him make an ass of himself again with his only mode.

Always offer a choice.


I made a different choice. See my reply elsewhere.


Jimmie doesn't like your choice. [as if he would...yuck]

QSL?

Don't hold yer breath

Believe me I haven't.

The point here is that, when directly asked, ol' Cecil made good.


When directly asked, I also made good.


Jimmie thinks you MUST answer his challenge. Tsk.

He
said he was an antenna guru and "CW expert" (yes, he said he was a "CW
expert") and that Morse was his "favorite fun mode".


I said that I wanted to build an antenna, that I am not a cw expert,
and that Morse is not my favorite mode.


Jimmie doesn't understand that kind of answer.

Rule one in he If a PCTA extra "challenges" anyone, that
anyone must OBEY or be cast out with all untouchables.

So when somebody
asked for a sked, he was there.


And I said "No."


They cannot take a "No."

A No answer is a no-no.

No excuses or shaggy-dog stories, he
showed up with a good signal and worked everybody who could hear him.


No excuses here, either.


Jimmie still doesn't like it, expects all to be on the PCTA extra beck
and call.

Stand-up guy.


Thank you.


I don't think they like "stand-up" in here. That stuff is comedy.
The PCTA extras in here are very, very serious about their "work."
All are required to "work" them or they get unruly.

As predicted, Mr. Burke refuses your request,


Why would I accept it?


Jimmie still doesn't understand the "challenge" was really a command.

and tries to make it
look like you are the bad guy.


He can do that all by himself. You've been doing a pretty fair job of
it lately.


Agreed.



The Cliff Notes version is that I'm not playing "thier" game.

Never have, never will.

Brian Kelly September 23rd 04 12:39 PM

(William) wrote in message . com...
(N2EY) wrote in message . com...
(Brian Kelly) wrote in message . com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...


Ask Brian/W3RV about his inverted "L." It's meant for absolutely
every situation and every band. You just can't miss with his antenna.


Note how Mr. Burke misremembers what was written, and distorts the
meaning.


What I remember: I had to accept Kelly's solution or hit the highway.

The meaning I took away from the exchange: Kelly's solution must be
universal for it to work in my situation, therefore, it can work in
your situation as well.

There's no reason to stay off of 160.


W3RV has helped me with many antenna projects. He has expertise ranging from
large Yagis to simple wire antennas.


The implementation of practical HF antennas for amateur radio is about 95%
mechanical engineering and 5% electrical engineering.

I don't think it's that big an imbalance but I agree in principle, the
physical design and execution aspects of antenna apparatus within ham
radio do tend to fall more into M.E. country than they do into E.E.
country.


Point is, the main problems are mechanical. As in where does it go,
how do I attach it to the house, where do I get the components without
paying big bucks. All of which can be answered with some thought,
knolwedge and experience.

But of course to get anyone's help, it pays to ask in a nice way and
actually listen to/read the information provided.


Time/date/freq pse?


You forgot "mode?"


When I launched the challenge somewhere around here a couple days ago
I stated that it would be most convenient for me to latch up with
Weenie Willy on 20 or 40 ssb. I knew there was no point to even
thinking about a CW contact. "Do not feed the animals" . . . 'druther
let him make an ass of himself again with his only mode.


Always offer a choice.


I made a different choice. See my reply elsewhere.

QSL?

Don't hold yer breath

Believe me I haven't.

The point here is that, when directly asked, ol' Cecil made good.


When directly asked, I also made good.

He
said he was an antenna guru and "CW expert" (yes, he said he was a "CW
expert") and that Morse was his "favorite fun mode".


I said that I wanted to build an antenna, that I am not a cw expert,
and that Morse is not my favorite mode.

So when somebody
asked for a sked, he was there.


And I said "No."

No excuses or shaggy-dog stories, he
showed up with a good signal and worked everybody who could hear him.


No excuses here, either.

Stand-up guy.


Thank you.

As predicted, Mr. Burke refuses your request,


Why would I accept it?

and tries to make it
look like you are the bad guy.


He can do that all by himself. You've been doing a pretty fair job of
it lately.


Wriggle, wriggle, squirm, squirm, post mindless circle-jerks with your
Control Unit from here to infinity but when it's all said and done
you've once again demonstrated that you're all keyboard and no RADIO.

:: YAWN ::

w3rv

William September 23rd 04 09:18 PM

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message . com...
(N2EY) wrote in message . com...

The point here is that, when directly asked, ol' Cecil made good.


When directly asked, I also made good.


You've been "directly asked" to "make good" on countless issues
and have yet to come clean on a single one.


My positions WRT amateur radio policy are crystal clear.

That is why you attack me.

He
said he was an antenna guru and "CW expert" (yes, he said he was a "CW
expert") and that Morse was his "favorite fun mode".


I said that I wanted to build an antenna, that I am not a cw expert,
and that Morse is not my favorite mode.

So when somebody
asked for a sked, he was there.


And I said "No."


You said no because you're a coward. Or you lied about making
the antenna...Or both.


I have nothing to prove to you. Yesterday I had nothing to prove to
you. Tomorrow I will have nothing to prove to you.

I will not play your games.

No excuses or shaggy-dog stories, he
showed up with a good signal and worked everybody who could hear him.


No excuses here, either.


Yeah..."no excuses"..."no answers"..."no reasons"..."no
validity"..."no facts"..."no common sense"...


You attack me because my rationale is strong, and my will is strong.

Stand-up guy.


Thank you.


Just like you, Burke, to take an accolade for another and bestowe
it upon yourself.


I have a box full of real medals that were really awarded to me.

You have a box full of trinkets that you got at a garage sale.

Kinda like Lennie's efforts to embellish his Army
record with the sacrifices of men who died three years before he was
in the Army.


And you have been engaged in seven hostile actions!

As predicted, Mr. Burke refuses your request,


Why would I accept it?


To prove some of your own boasts of proficiency in operating?


I have nothing to prove to you. Go get a monkey to do your tricks.

I say you just can't do it. Not up to it and don't have the
skills.


And what you say matters?

and tries to make it
look like you are the bad guy.


He can do that all by himself. You've been doing a pretty fair job of
it lately.


But no where NEAR your level,


But you admit that he participates in it none-the-less.

Brian...Keep up the "good"
work...You are your own best "ambassador"...


Should I threaten bricks and slashes and terror?

You take the low road, I take the high road.

William September 23rd 04 09:20 PM

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message . com...


Wriggle, wriggle, squirm, squirm, post mindless circle-jerks with your
Control Unit from here to infinity but when it's all said and done
you've once again demonstrated that you're all keyboard and no RADIO.

:: YAWN ::

w3rv


"Gets down to firmly
establishing the fact that, with a few obvious exceptions, perceptions
of the overall characters of RRAPers based only on what they post here
can't be taken seriously."

I can't take you seriously.

Len Over 21 September 24th 04 06:47 AM

In article ,
(William) writes:

The Cliff Notes version is that I'm not playing "thier" game.

Never have, never will.


Nor I...but it IS demanded that all capitulate to Them.

No capitulation and now you've been charged with spousal
abuse by we-all-know-who. And the other PCTA extras do
nothing about one who makes baseless charges. Tsk.



N2EY September 24th 04 12:16 PM

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...
(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...

The point here is that, when directly asked, ol' Cecil made good.


When directly asked, I also made good.


Now *that's* funny!

You've been "directly asked" to "make good" on countless issues
and have yet to come clean on a single one.


So why bother, Steve? You keep asking the same questions over and over. You're
not going to get a straight answer. So why bother?

Did you see my post about the "UP/URS-2"? Wanna bet that's a pretty close
approximation to what really happened?

He
said he was an antenna guru and "CW expert" (yes, he said he was a "CW
expert") and that Morse was his "favorite fun mode".


I said that I wanted to build an antenna, that I am not a cw expert,
and that Morse is not my favorite mode.

So when somebody
asked for a sked, he was there.


And I said "No."


You said no because you're a coward. Or you lied about making
the antenna...Or both.


So what?

No excuses or shaggy-dog stories, he
showed up with a good signal and worked everybody who could hear him.


No excuses here, either.


Yeah..."no excuses"..."no answers"..."no reasons"..."no
validity"..."no facts"..."no common sense"...

Why does all this still bother you, Steve?

Stand-up guy.


Thank you.


Just like you, Burke, to take an accolade for another and bestowe
it upon yourself. Kinda like Lennie's efforts to embellish his Army
record with the sacrifices of men who died three years before he was
in the Army.


As predicted, Mr. Burke refuses your request,


Why would I accept it?


To prove some of your own boasts of proficiency in operating?

I say you just can't do it. Not up to it and don't have the
skills.


Does it really matter?

and tries to make it
look like you are the bad guy.


He can do that all by himself. You've been doing a pretty fair job of
it lately.


See?

But no where NEAR your level, Brian...Keep up the "good"
work...You are your own best "ambassador"...

Then stop helping him, Steve...

73 de Jim, N2EY


Steve Robeson K4CAP September 24th 04 12:46 PM

Subject: Radio Stories
From: (William)
Date: 9/23/2004 3:18 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...
(William) wrote in message
.com...
(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...

The point here is that, when directly asked, ol' Cecil made good.

When directly asked, I also made good.


You've been "directly asked" to "make good" on countless issues
and have yet to come clean on a single one.


My positions WRT amateur radio policy are crystal clear.

That is why you attack me.


I am not "attacking" you, Brian.

I challenge your assertions. You continue to make assertions of fact
about your experience and skills in Amateur Radio, yet never pony up any
validation of them.

He
said he was an antenna guru and "CW expert" (yes, he said he was a "CW
expert") and that Morse was his "favorite fun mode".

I said that I wanted to build an antenna, that I am not a cw expert,
and that Morse is not my favorite mode.

So when somebody
asked for a sked, he was there.

And I said "No."


You said no because you're a coward. Or you lied about making
the antenna...Or both.


I have nothing to prove to you. Yesterday I had nothing to prove to
you. Tomorrow I will have nothing to prove to you.

I will not play your games.


It's not my "games", Brian...They are yours.

You are the one making assertions of skill, knowledge and experience.

However there is NOTHING to validate any of it.

No excuses or shaggy-dog stories, he
showed up with a good signal and worked everybody who could hear him.

No excuses here, either.


Yeah..."no excuses"..."no answers"..."no reasons"..."no
validity"..."no facts"..."no common sense"...


You attack me because my rationale is strong, and my will is strong.


What "rationale"...?!?!

"I refuse to answer"...?!?!?

BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

And "strong will"...?!?!

You conduct yourself politely and reasonably when Len's out-of-pocket, and
then when you "team up" with him, you parrot him down to the diminutives and
insults.

You have no will but to get Lennie's nod-of-approval.

You don't have enough say-so in your own behaviour as to decide which hand
you'll wipe with.

Stand-up guy.

Thank you.


Just like you, Burke, to take an accolade for another and bestowe
it upon yourself.


I have a box full of real medals that were really awarded to me.

You have a box full of trinkets that you got at a garage sale.


The difference, Brian, is that I ACKNOWLEDGE what I collect as opposed to
what I earned.

I have a "box full of real medals that were really awarded to me"
too...And I am NOT speaking of my CAP awards, all of which were also earned
too.

Kinda like Lennie's efforts to embellish his Army
record with the sacrifices of men who died three years before he was
in the Army.


And you have been engaged in seven hostile actions!


Yes, I was.

As predicted, Mr. Burke refuses your request,

Why would I accept it?


To prove some of your own boasts of proficiency in operating?


I have nothing to prove to you. Go get a monkey to do your tricks.


I don't need a monkey, Brian.

I say you just can't do it. Not up to it and don't have the
skills.


And what you say matters?


It obviously matters to you.

You're spending a lot of time ttrying to get out from under it.

and tries to make it
look like you are the bad guy.

He can do that all by himself. You've been doing a pretty fair job of
it lately.


But no where NEAR your level,


But you admit that he participates in it none-the-less.

Brian...Keep up the "good"
work...You are your own best "ambassador"...


Should I threaten bricks and slashes and terror?

You take the low road, I take the high road.


No, you don't.

You lie. You decieve. You dodge and hide.

You are welcomed to repost the item wherein you think I "threaten(ed)
bricks and slashes and terror".

The WHOLE post, Brian...IN CONTEXT.

Steve, K4YZ






Brian Kelly September 24th 04 02:42 PM

(William) wrote in message . com...
(Brian Kelly) wrote in message . com...


Wriggle, wriggle, squirm, squirm, post mindless circle-jerks with your
Control Unit from here to infinity but when it's all said and done
you've once again demonstrated that you're all keyboard and no RADIO.

:: YAWN ::

w3rv


"Gets down to firmly
establishing the fact that, with a few obvious exceptions, perceptions
of the overall characters of RRAPers based only on what they post here
can't be taken seriously."

I can't take you seriously.


Completely out of context as usual. Any port in a storm eh? Like I
said you can wriggle and you can squirm but in the end yer BS simply
doesn't flush Burke. As usual. Cecil, the two Jims, Hans, etc. "took
me seriously"back in 2001 and, well, you know the rest dontcha Burke?
Just can't hack it can ya Burke?

We'll just add your tall tales about your end-fed wire to the tall
tales about your T5 operation to your list of "accomplishements" and
and move along here.

w3rv


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