Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:


Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?


hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.


Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"

Not a good reply, Coslo.

Nor a good explanation.


Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.


Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes longer to
heal as time marches on.


Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"

What are you talking about?


You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he wrote
as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.


Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)

nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.


3.2 stuff? :-)

You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)

So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)


Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass him.


Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.

It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.


This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals that
his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it was
HIS
education that carried the day.

Here's the question Steve. I think I know the answer already, but let's

check it out.

As long as Lenover21 continues to post in his present style, I assume
that you are happy to post in retort to him. Yes?

If you'll take careful notice, Mike, with rare exception over the last few
months, I rare reply directly to anything he says. Most of it (like the last
couple with you here) have been as a result of someone else's posts echoing
him.

I'm pretty convinced that even though there are times you find him
exasperating, it doesn't upset you to make the posts?

What would upset me even more is letting a bully go unchallenged.

Amateur Radio is something that has enrichened my life and has been a
Godsend on more than one occassion.

To allow a creep like Anderscum to trash it unabated would be unthinkable.
ESPECIALLY when he is so blatantly wrong on so many occassions.

I also believe that for good or bad, you enjoy it to a certain extent.

Only that it lends some balance to his mistruthfulness and deceit.

So you guys have a relationship. It's a pretty strange one, made easier

by Netnews, but this sort of thing has existed for a long time. It's the
old Winston Churchhill/Lady Astor thing. They traded barbs with each
other, and I have to believe they enjoyed it.

Why Lenover21 resists my suggestions that this is what is going on is
beyond me. It is no insult, its just how things go sometimes.

He resists a lot. Common sense. Civility. Friendship. He'd rather you
slap him around a bit than shake his hand.

Lennie loves to berate othrs for "assuming", "rank and priviledge",
and
swears he does NOT berate others for thier services regardless.

I do not have now, and I never did have any military rank. That needs
to be clear. But there are more ways than that of serving your country.

Absolutely.

Lennie did one active duty tour in the Army. Good for him.

But I know people who have made far greater contributions to the United
States who never left thier home state than Lennie ever hoped to "passing 1.2
million messages at ADA in 1953".

That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD be
in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other than what
he is now...bitter and angry.

73

Steve, K4YZ

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:
[snip] But
I had the QSO! And some time later, the special QSL - for the first and so
far
only 160 meter QSO from N2EY.

I sold the fixed-up Viking 2 and VFO a year or two later, and moved away
from
that QTH in 1999. Someday I'll get back on 160.


Although I've only managed US stations, try the ARRL 160 meter contest in
January. All I've ever been able to put up for it is a random wire about 6
feet off the ground but have managed to work Texas to Maine from here in
Michigan.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?

hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.

Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"

Not a good reply, Coslo.

Nor a good explanation.

Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an
example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.

Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes longer to
heal as time marches on.

Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"

What are you talking about?

You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he
wrote as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.

Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)

nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.

3.2 stuff? :-)

You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)

So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)

Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass
him.

Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.

It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.

This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals that
his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it was
HIS education that carried the day.

If you know all this Steve, why bother with Len at all?

Here's the question Steve. I think I know the answer already, but let's
check it out.

As long as Lenover21 continues to post in his present style, I assume
that you are happy to post in retort to him. Yes?

If you'll take careful notice, Mike, with rare exception over the last
few
months, I rare reply directly to anything he says. Most of it (like the last
couple with you here) have been as a result of someone else's posts echoing
him.

I'm pretty convinced that even though there are times you find him
exasperating, it doesn't upset you to make the posts?

What would upset me even more is letting a bully go unchallenged.

A bully? Len only has as much power as you give him. Proof of the saying "He
who angers me, controls me. " Len works jard to anger you, so you'll come off
the handle, call him names, etc.

Note how upset he gets when people *don't* react in kind. Note how he's trying
to get mild-mannered Mike Coslo worked up so that Mike will reply in kind.

But Mr. Coslo doesn't work that way. I suspect his time on the ice is one
reason. (One trick in hockey is to do something when the ref isn't looking that
elicits a violent reaction when the ref *is* looking. Result: Penalty box and
your team is down a player for several minutes. Games are won and lost that
way. So Mike stays cool and collected.

Amateur Radio is something that has enrichened my life and has been a
Godsend on more than one occassion.

Same for me. I think my background in ham radio got me into engineering school
and into a successful EE career. Introduced me to a lot of good friends. Showed
me a world many folks don't even know exists.

Why should Len's words bother me?

To allow a creep like Anderscum to trash it unabated would be
unthinkable.

His words have only as much power as you give them. Calling him "Anderscum"
simply lowers you to his level. Can't you see that's what he wants?

ESPECIALLY when he is so blatantly wrong on so many occassions.

Then point out the errors without the name calling.

I also believe that for good or bad, you enjoy it to a certain extent.

Only that it lends some balance to his mistruthfulness and deceit.

When you call him "Lennie" and "anderscum" and go off on his wife or whatever,
it undermines *your* credibility. Which is just what he wants.

So you guys have a relationship. It's a pretty strange one, made easier
by Netnews, but this sort of thing has existed for a long time. It's the
old Winston Churchhill/Lady Astor thing. They traded barbs with each
other, and I have to believe they enjoyed it.

Was it Lady Astor who said to Sir Winston:

"My good sir, I do believe you are drunk!"

"Yes, m'lady, I am. And you are quite ugly. But tomorrow I will be sober...."

Why Lenover21 resists my suggestions that this is what is going on is
beyond me. It is no insult, its just how things go sometimes.

He resists them because admitting them would spoil his game.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

He resists a lot. Common sense. Civility. Friendship. He'd rather
you slap him around a bit than shake his hand.

Of course. Now think what his real purpose could be. Here's a hint: It's not
about making amateur radio better or advancing it

Lennie loves to berate othrs for "assuming", "rank and priviledge",
and
swears he does NOT berate others for thier services regardless.

That's been misproven repeatedly. Just google up the famous "sphincters post",
where he berated and denigrated a US Coast Guard radio operator for his
recollections of his duties at NPM.

I do not have now, and I never did have any military rank. That needs
to be clear. But there are more ways than that of serving your country.

Agreed 100%

Absolutely.

Lennie did one active duty tour in the Army. Good for him.

But I know people who have made far greater contributions to the United
States who never left thier home state than Lennie ever hoped to "passing 1.2
million messages at ADA in 1953".

Len and over 700 other military personnel there at the time...

That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD
be
in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other than
what
he is now...bitter and angry.

What makes you think Len is bitter or angry? I don't see that at all.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:


Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:


Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Len Over 21 wrote:



Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?


hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.


Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"


Not a good reply, Coslo.


Nor a good explanation.



Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an
example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.



Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes longer to
heal as time marches on.


Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"


What are you talking about?


You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he
wrote as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.



Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)


nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.


3.2 stuff? :-)


You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)


So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)



Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass

him.


Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.


It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.



This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals that
his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it was
HIS education that carried the day.


If you know all this Steve, why bother with Len at all?


Here's the question Steve. I think I know the answer already, but let's
check it out.


As long as Lenover21 continues to post in his present style, I assume
that you are happy to post in retort to him. Yes?


If you'll take careful notice, Mike, with rare exception over the last
few
months, I rare reply directly to anything he says. Most of it (like the last
couple with you here) have been as a result of someone else's posts echoing
him.


I'm pretty convinced that even though there are times you find him
exasperating, it doesn't upset you to make the posts?

What would upset me even more is letting a bully go unchallenged.


A bully? Len only has as much power as you give him. Proof of the saying "He
who angers me, controls me. " Len works jard to anger you, so you'll come off
the handle, call him names, etc.

Note how upset he gets when people *don't* react in kind. Note how he's trying
to get mild-mannered Mike Coslo worked up so that Mike will reply in kind.

But Mr. Coslo doesn't work that way. I suspect his time on the ice is one
reason. (One trick in hockey is to do something when the ref isn't looking that
elicits a violent reaction when the ref *is* looking. Result: Penalty box and
your team is down a player for several minutes. Games are won and lost that
way. So Mike stays cool and collected.


Amateur Radio is something that has enrichened my life and has been a
Godsend on more than one occassion.


Same for me. I think my background in ham radio got me into engineering school
and into a successful EE career. Introduced me to a lot of good friends. Showed
me a world many folks don't even know exists.

Why should Len's words bother me?


To allow a creep like Anderscum to trash it unabated would be
unthinkable.


His words have only as much power as you give them. Calling him "Anderscum"
simply lowers you to his level. Can't you see that's what he wants?


ESPECIALLY when he is so blatantly wrong on so many occassions.


Then point out the errors without the name calling.


I also believe that for good or bad, you enjoy it to a certain extent.

Only that it lends some balance to his mistruthfulness and deceit.


When you call him "Lennie" and "anderscum" and go off on his wife or whatever,
it undermines *your* credibility. Which is just what he wants.


So you guys have a relationship. It's a pretty strange one, made easier
by Netnews, but this sort of thing has existed for a long time. It's the
old Winston Churchhill/Lady Astor thing. They traded barbs with each
other, and I have to believe they enjoyed it.


Was it Lady Astor who said to Sir Winston:

"My good sir, I do believe you are drunk!"

"Yes, m'lady, I am. And you are quite ugly. But tomorrow I will be sober...."

No. good guess, but that was an exchange he had with Bessie Braddock, a
House of Commons member from Liverpool.

His exchange with Lady Astor came after a weekend of arguing with her
while at the Astor mansion. During the pouring of coffee at one point,
she said:

"Winston, if I were your wife, I'd put poison in your coffee."

"Nancy," Churchill replied, "if I were your husband, I'd drink it."



Why Lenover21 resists my suggestions that this is what is going on is
beyond me. It is no insult, its just how things go sometimes.


He resists them because admitting them would spoil his game.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

He resists a lot. Common sense. Civility. Friendship. He'd rather
you slap him around a bit than shake his hand.


Of course. Now think what his real purpose could be. Here's a hint: It's not
about making amateur radio better or advancing it

Lennie loves to berate othrs for "assuming", "rank and priviledge",
and
swears he does NOT berate others for thier services regardless.


That's been misproven repeatedly. Just google up the famous "sphincters post",
where he berated and denigrated a US Coast Guard radio operator for his
recollections of his duties at NPM.

I do not have now, and I never did have any military rank. That needs
to be clear. But there are more ways than that of serving your country.

Agreed 100%

Absolutely.

Lennie did one active duty tour in the Army. Good for him.

But I know people who have made far greater contributions to the United
States who never left thier home state than Lennie ever hoped to "passing 1.2
million messages at ADA in 1953".


Len and over 700 other military personnel there at the time...


That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD
be in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other than
what he is now...bitter and angry.


What makes you think Len is bitter or angry? I don't see that at all.

Hard to say, Jim. I don't think posts such as his come from a sense of
being in harmony with the world, tho'!

- Mike KB3EIA -

William wrote:

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?

hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.

Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"

Not a good reply, Coslo.

Nor a good explanation.

Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an
example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.

Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes longer to
heal as time marches on.

Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"

What are you talking about?

You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he
wrote as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.

Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)

nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.

3.2 stuff? :-)

You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)

So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)

Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass him.

Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.

It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.

This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals that
his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it was
HIS education that carried the day.

If you know all this Steve, why bother with Len at all?

Because Steve lies, and Steve has a mission, and Steve is nuts.

Like the guy in the movie, Acropolis Now, he was lying on his back in
a hoe house, the ceiling fan started to look like a rotary wing
propellor, then he says, "I asked for a mission, and for my sins, they
gave me one."

No "hi, hi" on that one.

Here's the question Steve. I think I know the answer already, but let's
check it out.

As long as Lenover21 continues to post in his present style, I assume
that you are happy to post in retort to him. Yes?

%#$%&**@!!!

You actually asked such a question???

That was me that asked such a question.

If you'll take careful notice, Mike, with rare exception over the last
few
months, I rare reply directly to anything he says. Most of it (like the last
couple with you here) have been as a result of someone else's posts echoing
him.

I'm pretty convinced that even though there are times you find him
exasperating, it doesn't upset you to make the posts?

What would upset me even more is letting a bully go unchallenged.

A bully? Len only has as much power as you give him. Proof of the saying "He
who angers me, controls me. " Len works jard to anger you, so you'll come off
the handle, call him names, etc.

Works EVERY time!

Note how upset he gets when people *don't* react in kind. Note how he's trying
to get mild-mannered Mike Coslo worked up so that Mike will reply in kind.

Poor Mike. Supports Steve. Get's blasted.

No poor Mike. Getting "blasted" by Lenover21 is just part of posting here.

Whatsa nice guy to do? "Steve's not such a bad sort, I mean he never
called me a homo or a pedo, and he never threatened my wife or
kids..."

Yaknow, with all due respect, Brian, if you believe that your family
has been threatened, print out the offending email, and take it to your
DA. If he or she finds it to be credible and have merit, then
appropriate action will be taken.

Or you could file papers that would prevent him from ever communicating
with you in any form.

But Mr. Coslo doesn't work that way. I suspect his time on the ice is one
reason. (One trick in hockey is to do something when the ref isn't looking that
elicits a violent reaction when the ref *is* looking. Result: Penalty box and
your team is down a player for several minutes. Games are won and lost that
way. So Mike stays cool and collected.

And plays dirty?

As a Captain, it is part of my job to stay cool. And if you don't have
that ability, you aren't going to make it as one, because out on the
ice, there are a lot of people who would like for you to freak out. A
lot of them actually play and act in a style similar to Lenover21 and
your own. (two different styles to be sure) I'll be called names,
bumped, speared, whacked and punched.

And I have helped other players to take penalties at critical stages of
the game, simply by skating up to them during the play, and asking them
how far they think they would fly if I checked them, or simply tap my
hockey stick against their skates. Even the occasional skateing of a
tight circle around someone. Sometimes I tell them I don't think they
have the power to knock a big guy like me over. Those who are prone to
flying off the handle will do it. I've picked myself up off the ice many
times, to find my team up by a man in a crucial part of the game.

And that is not playing dirty.

Of course, I do play a physical game. Sometimes that player finds out
how far he flies when I check them! ;^)

Amateur Radio is something that has enrichened my life and has been a
Godsend on more than one occassion.

Same for me. I think my background in ham radio got me into engineering school
and into a successful EE career.


Holey Moley! You're a real engineer? Got any land surveying under
your belt?

Could you explain just what you mean by that? Jim is an EE, and not a
surveyor. I don't get it.

Introduced me to a lot of good friends. Showed

me a world many folks don't even know exists.

Why should Len's words bother me?


So much so that you kill file him? Can't imagine it!


To allow a creep like Anderscum to trash it unabated would be
unthinkable.

His words have only as much power as you give them. Calling him "Anderscum"
simply lowers you to his level.


Absolutely. And Jim's "Dr. Fill" persona isn't nearly enough to work
on Steve's psychophenomenon.


Can't you see that's what he wants?


Everyone but Steve sees it!!!

Doesn't that clue you in the least???

Sorry Han's, Steve IS Controlled by Len!

Hi, hi!

The three of you control each other. All of you get what you are
looking for.


ESPECIALLY when he is so blatantly wrong on so many occassions.

Then point out the errors without the name calling.


In-friggin-possible!!!


I also believe that for good or bad, you enjoy it to a certain extent.

Only that it lends some balance to his mistruthfulness and deceit.

When you call him "Lennie" and "anderscum" and go off on his wife or whatever,
it undermines *your* credibility. Which is just what he wants.


Hellooooooooo?????????

Steve's just lucky that Len doesn't pick up the phone!!!


So you guys have a relationship. It's a pretty strange one, made easier
by Netnews, but this sort of thing has existed for a long time. It's the
old Winston Churchhill/Lady Astor thing. They traded barbs with each
other, and I have to believe they enjoyed it.

Was it Lady Astor who said to Sir Winston:

"My good sir, I do believe you are drunk!"

"Yes, m'lady, I am. And you are quite ugly. But tomorrow I will be sober...."


That was mean.

Wrong quote too! And wrong person


And Steve is crazy. Tomorrow, Steve will still be
crazy, Lady Astor will still be ugly, and Len will still be laughing
at you guys.

Lady Astor was most certainly *not* ugly

http://www.jssgallery.org/Paintings/Lady_Astor.htm


- Mike KB3EIA -

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:32 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool


Anderscum is a very bitter, angry and disappointed old man, and he's
intent on taking his inadequacies out on Amateur Radio, for what ever

reason he

thinks we "owe" him that.

He's just pitiful.

It *is* sad. I think that Lenover21 has much to offer, and yet ends up
alienating those that may be able to benefit by what he has to offer.

But there is still time, and there is still hope.


I used to think so, Mike...

At one time, I just thought Lennie was playing "Devil's Advocate".

Nope. He's just a creep.

When someone uses CBers as the example against what we should NOT want in
Amateur Radio, I just redirect them to some of Lennie's posts and say "See, it
CAN be a lot worse!"

You see, everyone has a purpose. Sometimes it is to serve as a warning
to others.

- Mike KB3EIA -