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In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes: And there are drudges who can design and build a rig from top to bottom, power supply to antenna, put it on the air and work the world with it on the ham bands. Using a whole bunch of different modes and technologies. For which we are called names and insulted here. Poor baby. Life is tough isn't it? There you dwell on Mt. Olympus...or was it along the "sure-kill" expressway? Nobody worships you. Tsk. You aren't getting the accolades and perquisites you so richly deserve, are you? Are you wanting the "tithe that binds?" Tsk. Show everybody who's the BOSS around here! Make everyone do a morse code test!!! Force them. "Do code or die!" The Four Morsemen of the Acropolis ride again! Lotsa fun. snicker |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: And there are drudges who can design and build a rig from top to bottom, power supply to antenna, put it on the air and work the world with it on the ham bands. Using a whole bunch of different modes and technologies. For which we are called names and insulted here. Poor baby. Life is tough isn't it? It sure it, Leonard, old boy. You still have no ham ticket, do you? There you dwell on Mt. Olympus...or was it along the "sure-kill" expressway? Nobody worships you. Tsk. Oh some might worship him, Leonard. If you meant that you don't worship him, you could come out and write that (though most of us have figured it out). You wouldn't want your popularity here up against Jim's in a vote, would you? You aren't getting the accolades and perquisites you so richly deserve, are you? Are you getting them here, Leonard, old bean? Are you wanting the "tithe that binds?" Jim isn't soliciting funds. I'm the guy attempting to have one million usenet readers to send me a dollar each. Tsk. Show everybody who's the BOSS around here! Make everyone do a morse code test!!! Force them. "Do code or die!" You needn't take a morse test or even a written exam. Just do as you've always done. The Four Morsemen of the Acropolis ride again! Those are the guys signing the SV1 calls. Lotsa fun. snicker It certainly is *grin* Dave K8MN |
In article , Alun
writes: (N2EY) wrote in : In article , Alun writes: I tend to think that a single class of licence would be a good idea, although many people argue that there should also be a beginner's licence, and I am not totally opposed to that. I don't see a genuine need for more than two licences, though. Then what you'd want, ideally, is a single class of license whose written test would at least be equivalent to the current written requirements for Extra - all in one go. Not really, although the element 4 questions should be included in the pool for it. Devil's Advocate mode = ON But why are the Element 4 questions needed at all? For that matter, why are most of the Element 3 questions needed (See below) Also, I don't think subband restrictions by licence class make any sense whatsoever, as the propagation is the same for the whole band. They are a good idea because they act as an incentive. Of course if there were only one class of license, they would no longer exist. Incentive subbands run counter to the core purpose of testing - to ensure competency. The appropriate level of competency for access to a different part of the same band at the same power level is, um, let me see - the same. Big surprise, huh? By that logic, (insuring competency) there is no reason for any of the Element 4 questions at all, because a General has all of the bands, modes and power levels of Extras. So *if* we accept the idea that the only reason for license testing is to insure competency, and that the General test insures competency for the bands and modes allocated to it, then there's no reason for the Extra at all. In fact, we can go a step farther. The Technician allows full power on all authorized modes and bands above 30 MHz. Therefore, if the reason for testing beyond the Tech is to insure HF competency, then the only questions that should be on the General are those specific to HF competency. Devil's Advocate mode = OFF The problem with the above argument is that there are reasons for license testing beyond simply insuring competency. Ideally, I would give an entry level licence very restricted power on the whole extent of a limited number of bands in different parts of the spectrum. How restricted, and which bands? I'm not sure how much, maybe QRP, maybe a bit more. It doesn't really matter exactly which bands, harmonically related combinations such as 40 and 15 would be good. The power level and bands *do* matter IMHO! I think that an ideal entry level license would include parts or all of *all* HF/MF amateur bands. Here's why: 1) Propagation on the various bands varies widely with time of day, time of year and sunspot cycle. Having the widest possible selection of bands would allow an entry-level amateur to use the best band for a given set of conditions and resources, and also affords an opportunity to learn about the various bands, propagation, etc. Bands spread throughout the spectrum would acheive that without giving them every band. But why not give them every band and let them make the choice? 2) One of the biggest problems facing many amateurs is antenna restrictions. Another is equipment cost. Often an amateur has to make do with compromise antennas and equipment which limit the choice of bands. Having the widest possible selection of bands would allow an entry-level amateur to use the best band for a given antenna/rig combination, and also affords an incentive to upgrade so more space on most bands could be earned. Or gaining those bands that their random wire works best on might be an incentive to upgrade, if you look at it from another angle. How are they to know which bands work best with their setup if they cannot use some of them? Why not simply give the broadest selection possible and let the newcomer sample whatever looks/sounds interesting? Needless to say, I wouldn't have a code test for any licence. The problem would be the transition from the present situation to such a scheme. The vested interests of those currently licenced probably make this idea impracticable. Not at all! All that would be required would be: 1) Existing license classes other than Extra closed off to new licenses after a certain date. They keep their existing privileges and can renew/modify indefinitely. 2) Existing license holders could upgrade to Extra by passing the required written tests. 3) The new entry-level license class has its own privilege set. 4) Existing license holders other than Extra get the combined privileges of their existing license and the new entry level license. Eventually everyone in the closed-off license classes will either upgrade or leave by attrition, and the rules governing them can be removed without an NPRM. For example, we're down to about 30,000 Novices now, and dropping every month. When the last Novice is gone from the database, the rules about that license class can be removed from Part 97. Your transition plan is messy, and unlikely to appeal to the FCC as it leaves many loose ends. FCC was offered some very neat transition plans before the last restructuring. All were turned down. So they obviously aren't in any hurry to tie up loose ends. "Messy" is in the eye of the beholder. Under the above plan, we would probably have a less-complicated band chart than today. There are all kinds of variations possible. For example, consider this one: - Extra renamed "Full", otherwise stays as is. - Advanced gets all 'phone privileges - "Entry", General, and Tech/Novice get General privileges. Only difference is power level allowed. - All classes except "Full" and "Entry" are closed off to new issues. This isn't my ideal, just an example. Why wouldn't FCC go for it if a majority of comments supported it? K0HB/Hans' proposal makes more and more sense.... 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , PAMNO (always write even when wrong) writes: In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Whatever you say. You can imagine getting within 10 Hz of the correct frequency with the '50s designs all you want...but that won't make it happen. What?? Where, exactly, has anybody claimed 10Hz frequency resolution with '50s analog radios? Nobody has, it's just a diversion away from the original nonsense about hams needing rigs with synthesizers. Big surprise huh? NOT! Creative PLL and DDS subsystems of today, designed by others, make it possible for anyone to select 10 Hz increments on any HF band (30,000 frequencies within 300 KHz) with crystal- controlled accuracy. Irrelevant to 99% of amateur HF operations. With a very few special exceptions (like 60m) we're not required by law to be on any specific freq on HF. Right, but sometimes inband operational requirements dictate that we get dead on some freq or another. Within reason of course. Spots pouncing, etc. We *are* required, and have long been required, to be within the band or subband. Len can't seem to grasp that concept. He understands the law but he doesn't understand how we meet it's req'mts so he bafflegabs over the horizon on the subject often wrong all the way. In fact, in almost all HF ham operations, good operators decide their QRG based on non-interference, not any specific channel or spot frequency. Analog VFOs are continuously variable. Making it possible for anyone to select an *infinite* number of "increments" within a 300Hz bandwidth much less your coarse 300 Khz wide example. And they do it without generating any phase noise or other forms of crud synthesizers toss out. You mean synthesizers aren't perfect in every way? Remember the HRO-500? You bet. Disaster box. W3WPG was both a beta and a production version tester of the 500 and I twiddled bofum myself at his place in Chester. Both sounded like a bag of radio canaries (species phaseum noisium boids) and National forthwith went bust despite Hal's imploring them not to put that POS on the market. . But "synthesized?" No. Far from it. All heterodyning on the analog level. Not a PLL, not a Fractional-N, not a DDS in any of them. As if that was somehow important. Or anywhere near even slightly relevant. He wasn't alone. B&W came out with their 6100 transmitter and it was a flop. The synthesizer feature in it was neat but nobody wanted to pay $700 for one when they could have a Collins or Drake for the same or less. Straight out of the 1950s ham catalogs bub . . all of it. There are "experts" whose entire experience is leafing through catalogs. Well, I'm not one of 'em. Neither is anybody else around here amongst us who "have been around" .. . . My FT-847, which is not much as ham xcvrs go, can be tuned in 1 Hz increments vs. the "make it possible for anyone to select 10 Hz increments" thingey you cite above. That *is* a nice rig. Did a good job on FD. Prolly not a good idea for me to loiter on this subject in this NG James but much to my surprise yes that slick little rig has proven to be a diamond in the rough. But to hell with it, I'll loiter anyway, the bandwidth is free. Radio story (diatribe): When I went radio hunting a couple years ago I had a very specific set of 'wants' centered around very high portability but also with the ergonomnics and front-panel controlability of a full-size competition-grade home station desktopper. A five pound underdash Omni. With a full panel of KNOBS, not menus dammit! (Reminds me of the time I participated in a brain-storming session pulled together by some of the guys from the Boeing Helicopters power transmission group. The chief Boeing gearbox wonk started the session off with "OK gentlemen the mission here is to come up with a transmission which is capable of transmitting an infinite number of horsepower to the rotors, weighs nothing and does not require any installation space.") I put a bunch of effort into my quest for what amounted to my particular vision of an ultimate 100W all modes Field Day xcvr. I didn't care where it came from. Current catalog units new or used, out-of-production types on the used gear market, etc. I paid a lot of attention to the online users reviews and lab test reports of a bunch of candidate rigs. It didn't take long for me to write off all of the current crop of whizzy do-it-all underdash xcvrs because of their absolutely lousy basic performance. Bottom-end BDRs, IMDs, fershtink selectivities (ceramic filters . . . gimmee a break!) along with a lack of open filter slots, menu-dipping galore. IC-706, FT-897, etc. Toy radios for the no-clues, fuhgeddit, allum. But (almost) all of those writeoffs do offer the ability to get on the VHF/UHF bands with all modes, a capability I added to my "gotta-have" list. I just *gotta* do some 6 & 2M cw & ssb. Can't imagine how that sweet old thing from Smog Central came up with his whacky comments about PCTAs not being into the VHF/UHF bands. He needs his head bolts retorqued. Did not take long for me to zero in on the FT-847 because it's the only xcvr out there anywhere which meets all of my basic objectives. Despite it's reputation for being a heap of compromises and having a collection of goofy warts and quirks. I also discovered that most of it's numerous warts can be fixed with a soldering iron. No-brainer there if one isn't afraid to perform surgery on a new kilobuck+ radio's innards. So I popped for one knowing full well that I'd bought something of a Yaesu "'kit radio". Out-of-the-box and tuning around the HF bands it was it was, shall we say, pretty unimpressive. Dismal? Woulda turned you off five seconds into a test listen. But I expected that. The killer mod was the installation of the 400Hz and 2.1Khz 8-pole INRAD IF filters a few weeks before you got your mitts on it during this past FD and commented it's an acceptable if not a rather decent performer. Given the fact that you ain't got much tolerance for lousy front ends, phase noise, birdies, menus, crummy selectivity and such. I might even have the temerity to take it into the upcoming CQ WW CW meatgrinder barefoot with a G5RV depending on how the plans work out for a go at it with K3NL from his place. The K3NL "planning committee" meets tomorrow at Casey's on Lansdowne Ave. Heh. The dollars I've invested to date my moded 847 are not trivial, I'm already at a bit over $1,500 and climbing as I keep adding "enhancements"to the thing . . . yeah, I know, I could have bought a used FT-1000MP (Not a "Field"!) for those kind of bucks. But an MP is not a pack 'n go rig like the 847 nor is it usable 30Mhz. so that was the end of that. I'll pick up an MP later and have the best of both worlds. I did draw some lines on the monies though. My original intent was to spend around $800 for a used 847 which are everywhere in the used market. The street price from HRO at the time was around $1,500. No way! But I ran into a sale on new 847s for $1250 gulped hard, bit the bullet and bought it. The two filters cost $155 each. Current HRO price is $1,400 which I still wouldn't go for. I rattle on too much as usual. My point is that if there's anybody out there still awake and looking for a nice little portable xcvr which covers 12 bands and does all modes much better than the really compact (junkers) the 847 is coming up a good choice for this particular OF. It's about 11 x 11 x 3.5 inches big and only weighs 16 pounds. http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/1467.html **This one is a gotta-do for any radio buyer**: http://www.sherweng.com/presentation.html Others: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/135 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FT847/ http://www.supercontrol.de/cat/ft847faq/ft847faq.htm You obviously need to spend considerable time leafing thru the ham catalogs to get up to speed on the equipment we use before you spout off and continue to goose up your "coefficient of ignornace" on the subject of ham radio in general and the equipment we use. Don't hold yer breath... Again. Gets boring. Maybe that's the point. Seems like. Then there are the few "drudges" (like myself) who've gotten our hands dirty doing the design and testing of synthesizers. Then there are drudges like me who have ham licenses and and put technoligies to work on the airwaves whilst all you're allowed to do is bafflegab about 'em with your keyboard. And there are drudges who can design and build a rig from top to bottom, power supply to antenna, put it on the air and work the world with it on the ham bands. Using a whole bunch of different modes and technologies. Right! For which we are called names and insulted here. Writeoff . . . 73 de Jim, N2EY w3rv |
(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (William) writes: (Brian Kelly) wrote in message .com... PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message news: ... All it took for a ham to stay inside the subbands was a frequency standard of known accuracy. This could take the form of an accurately-calibrated receiver, transmitter or transceiver, an external frequency meter (WW2 surplus BC-221 and LM units were relatively inexpensive in the 1960s) or a 100 kHz oscillator with suitable dividers. He's clueless. As usual. I could comfortably transmit CW within 200Hz of any band edge or subband edge with my Collins 75A4 and know I was "legal". I simply tweaked the 100Khz xtal oscillator to get it dead on against WWV on several freqs and took it from there. The out-of-the-box Collins PTO and linear dial with it's adjustable cursor *is* a frequency meter and it's far more accurate than any of W2 surplus units. Not to mention being much more convenient to use. Straight out of the 1950s ham catalogs bub . . all of it. All of it? So I guess all the hoopla about constructing one's own station to be a real ham was just a bunch of smoke going up someones hamstring? Not even a Heathkit in there anywhere? Sheesh! Heathkits are for "drudges." Those who sit at captain's tables (natuarlly) had Collins... :-) Yep, 35 years later they've got Collins. Keepin' up with the times. |
William wrote:
Yep, 35 years later they've got Collins. Keepin' up with the times. That's right, "William", I've got a modified 75A-3 which is about 51 years old, a 51S-1 which was produced in the late seventies and a KWM-2A which was built about the same time as Len's Icom R-70 receiver. I have an Orion which was produced last year. I also have other functional ham gear from the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties and nineties. I'm keeping up with the times--ALL of 'em. Dave K8MN |
In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Brian Kelly) wrote in message .com... PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message news: ... All it took for a ham to stay inside the subbands was a frequency standard of known accuracy. This could take the form of an accurately-calibrated receiver, transmitter or transceiver, an external frequency meter (WW2 surplus BC-221 and LM units were relatively inexpensive in the 1960s) or a 100 kHz oscillator with suitable dividers. He's clueless. As usual. I could comfortably transmit CW within 200Hz of any band edge or subband edge with my Collins 75A4 and know I was "legal". I simply tweaked the 100Khz xtal oscillator to get it dead on against WWV on several freqs and took it from there. The out-of-the-box Collins PTO and linear dial with it's adjustable cursor *is* a frequency meter and it's far more accurate than any of W2 surplus units. Not to mention being much more convenient to use. Straight out of the 1950s ham catalogs bub . . all of it. All of it? So I guess all the hoopla about constructing one's own station to be a real ham was just a bunch of smoke going up someones hamstring? Not even a Heathkit in there anywhere? Sheesh! Heathkits are for "drudges." Those who sit at captain's tables (natuarlly) had Collins... :-) Yep, 35 years later they've got Collins. Keepin' up with the times. Or, on the cheap side of the coin, "recycled" parts using mainly technology that is 50 to 40 years old (K4YZ homepage). Geez, absolutely zilch time spent in trying to make any of it attractive. Not the stuff of "marketable design!" Collins Radios, back when tubes were king, were REAL boat- anchors...and performed very well although their specifications were not great in sensitivity nor in IMD. I've aligned and calibrated enough R-391s (the R-390 with motorized tuning added, electronics the same) to be familiar with them. Kellie is going to name- and number-drop (once he refreshes his memory on old advertisements) that HIS gear is "the best" and "superior" and anything that an NCTA has is "crap." HIS "engineering examples" all involve machinery things, never electronic stuff. Must be difficult for those who "sit at captain's tables" to regress and crack open a theory book, huh? We can't complain about that because the PCTA are royalty and thus above reproach...but I complain anyway since I know that electrons, fields, and waves don't much give a snit which radio service it is or how the modulation is made. Can't convince the PCTA of that. Color them inviolate. |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Brian Kelly) wrote in message .com... PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message news: ... Or, on the cheap side of the coin, "recycled" parts using mainly technology that is 50 to 40 years old (K4YZ homepage). What fault do you find with that and why doesn't any of it appear of K4YZ's homepage? Geez, absolutely zilch time spent in trying to make any of it attractive. Not the stuff of "marketable design!" That'd be a real problem if it was built to be a marketable design. Collins Radios, back when tubes were king, were REAL boat- anchors...and performed very well although their specifications were not great in sensitivity nor in IMD. Have I told you lately just how much you remind me of John Kerry? Dave K8MN |
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