"Joe Guthart" wrote in message
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Wow! I just looked at the responses from my original post ... I didn't
mean to start a War.

Still looking for the basic question of WHEN will licensing restructuring
happen?

Thanks to all for the heated responses.


That question has already been answered. The answer: no one can reliably
predict when or even if it will happen.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

KØHB wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote


Need? I doubt that the one classer's want the test level at the Extra
level to begin with, and might go apoplectic if the Tech and General
tests were included!



My proposal to FCC asks for a one-term, privilege-rich beginners permit,
and a "full-privilege" standard license with an exam including the
material currently covered on the Tech/General/Extra written
examinations. Current licensees could continue to renew in their
existing class, or upgrade to the new "standard" license class.

Two classes there. I do like your full privelige license, but we've had
the discussions about the learners permit that I'm uncomfortable with.
It beats the bejabbers out of the NCVEC proposal tho'!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Joe Guthart wrote:

Wow! I just looked at the responses from my original post ... I didn't
mean to start a War.

Hehe, not to worry, Joe. This is a permanent war zone, and all new
questions are potential battlefields.

Still looking for the basic question of WHEN will licensing restructuring
happen?

I don't know if you saw the poll results posted by Jim N2EY? THe best we
can do is make predictions. I had predicted 2007, or at least 4 years
from the change in the treaty. I might extend that if the republicans
are in power at that time. It isn't a diss, it is just that republican
administrations are *much* less likely to participate in international
treaties.

In fact, I would bet a six pack that as long as we have republicans in
the White House, there is little chance of Element 1 being dropped. Not
because they like Morse code, but because they hate treaties.

Some good advice: Get the license now, regardless of the Morse code
test. the ARS is simply too much FUN to miss time on.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , "Joe Guthart"
writes:

Wow! I just looked at the responses from my original post ... I didn't
mean to start a War.

Sorry, Joe, but you didn't start one. It was already in full swing. :-)

Still looking for the basic question of WHEN will licensing restructuring
happen?

No one knows. Many have "answers" just the same... :-)

Thanks to all for the heated responses.

The family joules in here are red-hot! :-)

In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote

None of that elaborate U.S. subdivision would be possible without
the modern frequency synthesizers ....

Wrong again, kind elderly Sir.. "modern frequency synthesizers" first
appeared in amateur radio equipment in the 80's, a couple of decades
after the imposition of "elaborate U.S. sub-division" in 1968.

Tsk, tsk, crusty old sea salt.

Frequency synthesizers began appearing in many radio services in
the early 1960s. In amateur radio they began with homebuilts since
the offshore manufacturers hadn't gotten around to putting those into
amateur transceivers until the late 70s. :-)

Now if you are going to make a great big federal case out of this
little thing, then feel free. :-) You seem to need an argument
subject and want to go many rounds on this? Not for me. Waste
of time for me. I was in the lab and in the field regarding frequency
synthesizers long ago, know their theory and know both their good
things and bad things of their internals.

Tsk. But, you DO have to be "judgemental," don't you? :-)

[by the way, the Review Committee rules against the Armenians
so don't pull that old saw through the wood again...]

With all kindest of regards,

"Joe Guthart" wrote in
:

Wow! I just looked at the responses from my original post ... I
didn't mean to start a War.

Still looking for the basic question of WHEN will licensing
restructuring happen?

Thanks to all for the heated responses.



"Joe Guthart" wrote in message
...
What's going on here ... the talk of restructuring to remove morse
code requirements has been going on for over 18 months. Many, many
countries have already removed the morse code requirement to gain
access to HF. Sure there's been a lot of backlash from those who still
want to keep code alive. I know this is the government, but, what is
taking so long? Can't they come to some decision quickly. Anyone
have a proposed timeline of when this will be settled.




The war was only temporarily suspended while the FCC sits on it's hands.

In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

Alun" wrote in message
.. .
(N2EY) wrote in
om:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article , Alun
writes:

I tend to think that a single class of licence would be a good
idea, although many people argue that there should also be a
beginner's licence, and I am not totally opposed to that. I don't
see a genuine need for more than two licences, though.

Then what you'd want, ideally, is a single class of license whose
written test would at least be equivalent to the current written
requirements for Extra - all in one go.


It would also need to include those elements from the Tech and General
tests that are not repeated in the Extra class test.

Right you are, Dee.

That would mean an exam of at least 100 questions, allowing for
overlap and the simplification of some rules. And the prospective ham
would have to pass it all in one shot.

Would that *really* be optimum for the ARS?

73 de Jim, N2EY


When the UK had a single theory test it had 95 questions of all levels of
difficulty. I thought that was optimum, so, of course, they did away with
it!

Perhaps optimum for demonstrating the competency of the prospective ham but
probably not optimum in encouraging people to get into the hobby. People
would be put off by the amount of material that they would be required to
study and simply quit after a few days.

Good point! Plus I'm pretty sure both the test format wasn't an open-pool of
multiple-choice questions, and the technical level of the questions was
somewhat higher than in the US exams.

How does the number of hams-per-capita in the UK compare to the USA? How is the
growth?

Could it be that the *written* test is/was a "barrier" there?

Although those who lost privileges with the introduction of the 5 step
licensing system were rightfully upset by this, still the data shows that
amateur radio had its largest and longest lasting sustained growth after
this was implemented. People want to take it in "bite size" chunks rather
that swallowing the whole ham (pun intended) at once.

Exactly. With the elimination of the waiting period for Extra more than a
quarter century ago, anyone who wants to do the whole thing in one go can do
so.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote
..

Sounds like socialism.


One of the most effective* amateur-radio-license-qualification systems
known was the ex-USS(ocialist)R's.

de Hans, K0HB


*effective: Licensees were acknowledged among the most competent
(technically and operationally) anywhere.

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: "KØHB"
Date: 9/24/2004 8:44 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote
.

Sounds like socialism.


One of the most effective* amateur-radio-license-qualification systems
known was the ex-USS(ocialist)R's.

de Hans, K0HB


*effective: Licensees were acknowledged among the most competent
(technically and operationally) anywhere.

And thier licensing system was not a "once size fits all", which is what
you suggested and what socialism bascially professes.

Try again, Hans. Ya came up short...Again.

Steve, K4YZ

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote


And thier licensing system was not a "once size fits all"


Nope, it was a "two sizes fits all", including an enforced "apprentice"
permit, sort of like my proposal.

Sunuvagun!

de Hans, K0HB