In article , Alun
writes:

Maybe someone in the FCC is a pro code test ham who is delaying the
process?

Maybe. Or maybe it's just not a high priority to FCC.

The FCC in general has been in favour of removing the requirement
for a long time.

That's what I thought, based on the Report and Order to 98-143. But maybe
that's changedsince 1999.

The US may be the last country to abolish the code test, the way things are
going. Mind you, AFAIK the code test has still not been abolished in Spain
or Italy(?), although I don't think there's a code test anywhere else much
in Europe anymore.

What about the former "Soviet Bloc" countries? Scandinavia? How about New
Zealand, Asia, Africa, South America?

Canada is only now proposing to change the code test rules. And Japan, long the
poster country for no-codetest-HF ham licenses, hasn't changed anything.

Is the 5 wpm test really such a big deal?

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote


Is the 5 wpm test really such a big deal?


Yes.

In article et, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote


Is the 5 wpm test really such a big deal?


Yes.

Why?

73 de Jim, N2EY

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in news:20040921201024.04815.00000600@mb-
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In article et, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote


Is the 5 wpm test really such a big deal?


Yes.

Why?

73 de Jim, N2EY


It puts people off, especially those who have no plans to ever use CW, and
there are a lot of those.

"Alun" wrote in message
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in news:20040921201024.04815.00000600@mb-
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In article et, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote


Is the 5 wpm test really such a big deal?


Yes.

Why?

73 de Jim, N2EY


It puts people off, especially those who have no plans to ever use CW, and
there are a lot of those.

If I remember correctly, this is why the no-code Tech license was created.

Oh, want increased "privileges?" Earn them. Sometimes earning something
(Like a degree, for example.) means "learning" a few things that you may
never use.

Heaven forbid we should teach this concept to our kids. Instead they have a
whole generation of underachevers who would rather whine than achieve.
Remember the Regents!

It "puts people off," it'd almost be funny...if it weren't so sad.

--
Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384
QRP ARCI #11782

"Bert Craig" wrote in
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"Alun" wrote in message
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in
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In article et,
"KØHB" writes:

"N2EY" wrote


Is the 5 wpm test really such a big deal?


Yes.

Why?

73 de Jim, N2EY


It puts people off, especially those who have no plans to ever use CW,
and there are a lot of those.

If I remember correctly, this is why the no-code Tech license was
created.

Oh, want increased "privileges?" Earn them. Sometimes earning something
(Like a degree, for example.) means "learning" a few things that you
may never use.

Heaven forbid we should teach this concept to our kids. Instead they
have a whole generation of underachevers who would rather whine than
achieve. Remember the Regents!

It "puts people off," it'd almost be funny...if it weren't so sad.


You are (deliberately) confusing the issue of having to learn more theory
to upgrade with the issue of learning to use CW in order to use HF phone.
This has nothing to do with teaching kids they should get something for
nothing, if that's what you are saying. But then, if you regard CW as a
holy sacrament, your argument would make sense, which it doesn't.

Alun, N3KIP

"Alun" wrote in message
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"Bert Craig" wrote in
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"Alun" wrote in message
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in
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In article et,
"KØHB" writes:

"N2EY" wrote


Is the 5 wpm test really such a big deal?


Yes.

Why?

73 de Jim, N2EY


It puts people off, especially those who have no plans to ever use CW,
and there are a lot of those.

If I remember correctly, this is why the no-code Tech license was
created.

Oh, want increased "privileges?" Earn them. Sometimes earning something
(Like a degree, for example.) means "learning" a few things that you
may never use.

Heaven forbid we should teach this concept to our kids. Instead they
have a whole generation of underachevers who would rather whine than
achieve. Remember the Regents!

It "puts people off," it'd almost be funny...if it weren't so sad.


You are (deliberately) confusing the issue of having to learn more theory
to upgrade with the issue of learning to use CW in order to use HF phone.

No, Alun...I'm not deliberately confusing the issue. I'm very deliberately
offering MY take on it. I believe the question was; "Is the 5 wpm test
really such a big deal?" IMHO, no it is not! No confusion there.

This has nothing to do with teaching kids they should get something for
nothing, if that's what you are saying.

It's a lead by example thing, Alun. The principles a youngster learns in an
early avocation will likely carry over intotheir later endeavors, both
presonal and professional. Again, IMHO.

But then, if you regard CW as a
holy sacrament, your argument would make sense, which it doesn't.

Holy sacrament? Definitely not. A very cool (And challenging!) mode of
operation that lends itself very well for low power comms and sheer
simplicity? "Noboubtadoutit!" (A NYism, hi.)

And oh, BTW...it's not my argument, it's just my opinion.

--
Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384
QRP ARCI #11782

P.S. My 3-1/2 year old lad can identify the characters A, B, C and J in
Morse code...and I'm sending the character at, at least, 15-wpm.

Oh, want increased "privileges?" Earn them. Sometimes earning something
(Like a degree, for example.) means "learning" a few things that you may
never use.

One can't "sell" the hobby while imposing things no longer necessary
to it.


Heaven forbid we should teach this concept to our kids. Instead they have a
whole generation of underachevers who would rather whine than achieve.
Remember the Regents!


People have been saying that since day one. So what else is new...

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

Oh, want increased "privileges?" Earn them. Sometimes earning something
(Like a degree, for example.) means "learning" a few things that you may
never use.

One can't "sell" the hobby while imposing things no longer necessary
to it.

Who decides what is "necessary"?

What happens when (not if) that same argument is applied to the written exams?
Most of what is in the written exams is no longer necessary for the legal
operation of an amateur radio station.

Heaven forbid we should teach this concept to our kids. Instead they have a
whole generation of underachevers who would rather whine than achieve.
Remember the Regents!

People have been saying that since day one. So what else is new...

The result is bad ideas like NCVEC's "Communicator" license.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , "Bert Craig"
writes:

"Alun" wrote in message
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in news:20040921201024.04815.00000600@mb-
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In article et, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote


Is the 5 wpm test really such a big deal?


Yes.

Why?

73 de Jim, N2EY


It puts people off, especially those who have no plans to ever use CW, and
there are a lot of those.

If I remember correctly, this is why the no-code Tech license was created.

Then you should also remember that no-code-TEST Techs were
forbidden operation below 30 MHz in the USA.

Somehow some amateurs still believe in the myth that morsemanship
is "essential" (enough for "qualifications") to operate below 30 MHz.

Oh, want increased "privileges?" Earn them. Sometimes earning something
(Like a degree, for example.) means "learning" a few things that you may
never use.

The alleged "need" to do morse code below 30 MHz is an artificiality.

That doesn't bother the qualifications of all those other radio services
operating below 30 MHz. Tsk, tsk.

Heaven forbid we should teach this concept to our kids. Instead they have a
whole generation of underachevers who would rather whine than achieve.
Remember the Regents!

[you spelled "reagent" wrong...but that's perhaps too subtle...]

Yes, heaven forbid that ANYONE EVER be allowed to transmit
below 30 MHz without full and complete "qualifications" by testing
in morsemanship! :-)

It "puts people off," it'd almost be funny...if it weren't so sad.

The "sadness" is that the PCTA simply can't get up to speed
on the newer technology nor do they want to change their ways.
Tsk, tsk.

Everyone must do as they do...or else! :-)