N2EY wrote:
In article , Robert Casey
writes:


Back in the olden days, two brothers living at the same house
got their ham licenses. But the FCC, seeing the same address,
made them share the same callsign, as they shared the same shack.


When was this, Robert?


Sometime in the 20's or 30's, IIRC.

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

N2EY wrote:
In article , Robert Casey
writes:


Back in the olden days, two brothers living at the same house
got their ham licenses. But the FCC, seeing the same address,
made them share the same callsign, as they shared the same shack.


When was this, Robert?


Sometime in the 20's or 30's, IIRC.

Ah - that fits. In that era, mobile and portable operation by hams was not
allowed. A station license was for one location only! The rules changed in the
very late '20s and '30s to allow portable and finally mobile operation. (Until
1949, mobile operation was not allowed below 25 MHz, and for a time in the
1930s, portable operation required a special "Z" or "ZZ" license with four
letters after the number. W6AM got callsign "W6ZZAM" for portable use.)

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: operator's licence vs. station licence
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/19/2004 4:42 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


(Until 1949, mobile operation was not allowed below 25 MHz...(SNIP)

Considering that you almost needed a seperate trailer to carry the gear,
this was hardly an impediment!

...(UNSNIP).. and for a time in the
1930s, portable operation required a special "Z" or "ZZ" license with four
letters after the number. W6AM got callsign "W6ZZAM" for portable use.)

I wonder who came up with that idea?

73

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: operator's licence vs. station licence
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/19/2004 4:42 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


(Until 1949, mobile operation was not allowed below 25 MHz...(SNIP)

Considering that you almost needed a seperate trailer to carry the gear,
this was hardly an impediment!

Not really. Look at an ARC-5 receiver, and how much could be packed
into a small space using mid-1930s technology. Hams could, and did,
build very compact equipment without "miniature" parts.

...(UNSNIP).. and for a time in the
1930s, portable operation required a special "Z" or "ZZ" license with four
letters after the number. W6AM got callsign "W6ZZAM" for portable use.)

I wonder who came up with that idea?

The govt. was very cautious in those days about such things. Spies and
all that.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: operator's licence vs. station licence
From: (N2EY)
Date: 10/19/2004 4:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: operator's licence vs. station licence
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/19/2004 4:42 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


(Until 1949, mobile operation was not allowed below 25 MHz...(SNIP)

Considering that you almost needed a seperate trailer to carry the
gear,
this was hardly an impediment!

Not really. Look at an ARC-5 receiver, and how much could be packed
into a small space using mid-1930s technology. Hams could, and did,
build very compact equipment without "miniature" parts.


...(UNSNIP).. and for a time in the
1930s, portable operation required a special "Z" or "ZZ" license with four
letters after the number. W6AM got callsign "W6ZZAM" for portable use.)

I wonder who came up with that idea?

The govt. was very cautious in those days about such things. Spies and
all that.

Ya thik a spy would apply for a license in ANY radio service, Jim?

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: operator's licence vs. station licence
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 10/19/2004 8:08 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Subject: operator's licence vs. station licence
From: (N2EY)
Date: 10/19/2004 4:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: operator's licence vs. station licence
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/19/2004 4:42 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


(Until 1949, mobile operation was not allowed below 25 MHz...(SNIP)

Considering that you almost needed a seperate trailer to carry the
gear,
this was hardly an impediment!

Not really. Look at an ARC-5 receiver, and how much could be packed
into a small space using mid-1930s technology. Hams could, and did,
build very compact equipment without "miniature" parts.

Hmmmmmm.

For some reason the response I put here didn't "take".

"I was being facetious, Jim".

There we go!

73

Steve, K4YZ

Ya think a spy would apply for a license in ANY radio service, Jim?


Depending on the situation, a ham license could be a good
"cover story" for a spy with transmitting equipment. The
FCC did shut down all ham bands during WW2...

Subject: operator's licence vs. station licence
From: Robert Casey
Date: 10/20/2004 12:19 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Ya think a spy would apply for a license in ANY radio service, Jim?


Depending on the situation, a ham license could be a good
"cover story" for a spy with transmitting equipment. The
FCC did shut down all ham bands during WW2...

But then that "cover story" only provides the government with a "head's
up" as to where the radio equipment is, Robert...Still doesn't make sense.

Brief transmissions from low power, mobile (portable) facilities makes
more sense.

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

Ya think a spy would apply for a license in ANY radio service, Jim?

Depending on the situation, a ham license could be a good
"cover story" for a spy with transmitting equipment. The
FCC did shut down all ham bands during WW2...

During WW1, too. In fact, during WW1, all amateur radio equipment had to be
disabled - receiving as well as transmitting.

In 1940, more than a year before Pearl Harbor, all US hams were required to
either take a loyalty oath or turn in their licenses.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

Ya think a spy would apply for a license in ANY radio service, Jim?

Depending on the situation, a ham license could be a good
"cover story" for a spy with transmitting equipment. The
FCC did shut down all ham bands during WW2...

Search for KGB Colonel Rudolph Abel on the 'web. You will learn
that he posed as an artist in NYC and had an HF receiver-
transmitter in his apartment for his "hobby of amateur radio."
According to arresting investigators. After WW2.

Abel was traded for Francis Gary Powers, the U-2 pilot downed
over Russia, tried and imprisoned there. Powers later worked for
Lockheed in Burbank then the NBC Western Hq there, living in
Roscoe Canyon in Sun Valley (northern extension of Roscoe Blvd,
see Mapquest), not exactly a neighbor but nearby to me.