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November 1st 04, 03:25 AM
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: (William) Date: 10/31/2004 7:53 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: There's no reasoning with emotional belief systems...such as the PCTA's insistence that all who come after must jump through the same hoops they had to when younger. You have a point. There is no reasoning with emotional belief systems. Take a guy who believes that those tested in amateur radio are "jumping through hoops" or that the testing elements given today are the same as those in years past. How would you deal with such a guy? True enough. The Volunteer Examiners are giving Farnsworth exams rather than the FCC/Part 97 specified Morse Code exams. There is no such thing as a "Farnsworth exam". Volunteer examiners will tell you otherwise. And supposedly being a VE, you should know that. The FCC is required to ensure that all exams and exam materials used in the conduct of exams on their behalf are appropriate. The FCC is required to ensure that what they enforce on Howard Stern is also enforced on Oprah. I said before the restructuring and I'll say it again, "What I fear most about restructuring is a lack of enforcement, and what I fear most about maintaining the status quo is a lack of enforcement." Amateur Radio is now in it's 30th year of a lack of enforcement. To the best of my knowledge, Well there you go. You're basing your opinion upon your own limited knowledge. not a single exam in service today has been identified by the FCC as being inappropriate or not in confomance with FCC requirements, nor has the FCC ever directed the removal from service of any Morse Code exam as unacceptable. Nor would they. It is Morse Code that is specified in Part 97. You're going to have to try a little harder to unseat my informed opinion. Steve, K4YZ Yeh, sure. Whatever. |
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November 1st 04, 02:11 PM
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Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS....
From: (William) Date: 10/31/2004 9:25 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: (William) Date: 10/31/2004 7:53 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: There's no reasoning with emotional belief systems...such as the PCTA's insistence that all who come after must jump through the same hoops they had to when younger. You have a point. There is no reasoning with emotional belief systems. Take a guy who believes that those tested in amateur radio are "jumping through hoops" or that the testing elements given today are the same as those in years past. How would you deal with such a guy? True enough. The Volunteer Examiners are giving Farnsworth exams rather than the FCC/Part 97 specified Morse Code exams. There is no such thing as a "Farnsworth exam". Volunteer examiners will tell you otherwise. And supposedly being a VE, you should know that. I am a VE and I've never administered a "Farnsworth" examination. They do not exist. The FCC is required to ensure that all exams and exam materials used in the conduct of exams on their behalf are appropriate. The FCC is required to ensure that what they enforce on Howard Stern is also enforced on Oprah. I suppose there was a point to this...?!?! I said before the restructuring and I'll say it again, "What I fear most about restructuring is a lack of enforcement, and what I fear most about maintaining the status quo is a lack of enforcement." Amateur Radio is now in it's 30th year of a lack of enforcement. How would you know? You've not been a licensed Amateur that long. And Amateur Radio haas not had a lack of enforcement...they've had a lack of ADEQUATE enforcement. To the best of my knowledge, Well there you go. You're basing your opinion upon your own limited knowledge. I dare say MY "limits" are far more expansive than yours. As a matter of fact, I KNOW they are! not a single exam in service today has been identified by the FCC as being inappropriate or not in confomance with FCC requirements, nor has the FCC ever directed the removal from service of any Morse Code exam as unacceptable. Nor would they. It is Morse Code that is specified in Part 97. You're going to have to try a little harder to unseat my informed opinion. What "informed opinion"...??? You are talking about a "Farnsworth" exam which does not exist. That's pretty STUPID, Brain, but then that's nothing new from you. There's very little of ANYthing you've engaged in this forum that indicates that you are "informed" at all... Steve, K4YZ Yeh, sure. Whatever. Yeah..."Whatever"... Steve, K4YZ |
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November 3rd 04, 07:45 PM
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: (William) Date: 10/31/2004 9:25 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: (William) Date: 10/31/2004 7:53 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: There's no reasoning with emotional belief systems...such as the PCTA's insistence that all who come after must jump through the same hoops they had to when younger. You have a point. There is no reasoning with emotional belief systems. Take a guy who believes that those tested in amateur radio are "jumping through hoops" or that the testing elements given today are the same as those in years past. How would you deal with such a guy? True enough. The Volunteer Examiners are giving Farnsworth exams rather than the FCC/Part 97 specified Morse Code exams. There is no such thing as a "Farnsworth exam". Volunteer examiners will tell you otherwise. And supposedly being a VE, you should know that. I am a VE and I've never administered a "Farnsworth" examination. They do not exist. Here's a hint: it's the default exam. The examinee must ask for the real Morse Exam if they want to comply with Part 97. The FCC is required to ensure that all exams and exam materials used in the conduct of exams on their behalf are appropriate. The FCC is required to ensure that what they enforce on Howard Stern is also enforced on Oprah. I suppose there was a point to this...?!?! Jim said it, too. Certainly he had a point. I said before the restructuring and I'll say it again, "What I fear most about restructuring is a lack of enforcement, and what I fear most about maintaining the status quo is a lack of enforcement." Amateur Radio is now in it's 30th year of a lack of enforcement. How would you know? You've not been a licensed Amateur that long. And Amateur Radio haas not had a lack of enforcement...they've had a lack of ADEQUATE enforcement. Hmmmm? I wonder what I meant by "lack?" To the best of my knowledge, Well there you go. You're basing your opinion upon your own limited knowledge. I dare say MY "limits" are far more expansive than yours. As a matter of fact, I KNOW they are! They may be. But if you didn't pay attention during your exposure, then your knowledge and opinions will be found lacking. not a single exam in service today has been identified by the FCC as being inappropriate or not in confomance with FCC requirements, nor has the FCC ever directed the removal from service of any Morse Code exam as unacceptable. Nor would they. It is Morse Code that is specified in Part 97. You're going to have to try a little harder to unseat my informed opinion. What "informed opinion"...??? You are talking about a "Farnsworth" exam which does not exist. Then why would the ARRL and then the NCVEC make an announcement that henceforth all of their default code exams would be Farnsworth? That you could still take the real Morse exam if you knew to ask for it? That's pretty STUPID, Brain, but then that's nothing new from you. There's very little of ANYthing you've engaged in this forum that indicates that you are "informed" at all... That shows just how uninformed you are. Steve, K4YZ Yeh, sure. Whatever. Yeah..."Whatever"... Steve, K4YZ Ditto. |
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November 4th 04, 11:16 AM
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Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS....
From: (William) Date: 11/3/2004 1:45 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... I am a VE and I've never administered a "Farnsworth" examination. They do not exist. Here's a hint: it's the default exam. The examinee must ask for the real Morse Exam if they want to comply with Part 97. There is no such thing as a Farnsworth exam. And Amateur Radio haas not had a lack of enforcement...they've had a lack of ADEQUATE enforcement. Hmmmm? I wonder what I meant by "lack?" Your original statement was worded in such a way as to insinuate that there'd been NO enforcement. That was not tue. MORE enforcement was what was needed then...And still true today. To the best of my knowledge, Well there you go. You're basing your opinion upon your own limited knowledge. I dare say MY "limits" are far more expansive than yours. As a matter of fact, I KNOW they are! They may be. But if you didn't pay attention during your exposure, then your knowledge and opinions will be found lacking. So far, nothing you've been able to "bring up" has exceeded my skills, knowledge or experience, Brain. What "informed opinion"...??? You are talking about a "Farnsworth" exam which does not exist. Then why would the ARRL and then the NCVEC make an announcement that henceforth all of their default code exams would be Farnsworth? That you could still take the real Morse exam if you knew to ask for it? That's pretty STUPID, Brain, but then that's nothing new from you. There's very little of ANYthing you've engaged in this forum that indicates that you are "informed" at all... That shows just how uninformed you are. Not as of this moment. You still are an idiot and you are still making unfounded and irrational assertions. Steve, K4YZ |
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November 4th 04, 11:39 PM
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(Steve Robeson K4YZ) wrote in message ...
Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: (William) Date: 11/3/2004 1:45 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... I am a VE and I've never administered a "Farnsworth" examination. They do not exist. Here's a hint: it's the default exam. The examinee must ask for the real Morse Exam if they want to comply with Part 97. There is no such thing as a Farnsworth exam. Denial. And Amateur Radio haas not had a lack of enforcement...they've had a lack of ADEQUATE enforcement. Hmmmm? I wonder what I meant by "lack?" Your original statement was worded in such a way as to insinuate that there'd been NO enforcement. That was not tue. MORE enforcement was what was needed then...And still true today. Agreed. You're still on the loose. To the best of my knowledge, Well there you go. You're basing your opinion upon your own limited knowledge. I dare say MY "limits" are far more expansive than yours. As a matter of fact, I KNOW they are! They may be. But if you didn't pay attention during your exposure, then your knowledge and opinions will be found lacking. So far, nothing you've been able to "bring up" has exceeded my skills, knowledge or experience, Brain. Apparently it has, on numerous occasions. What "informed opinion"...??? You are talking about a "Farnsworth" exam which does not exist. Then why would the ARRL and then the NCVEC make an announcement that henceforth all of their default code exams would be Farnsworth? That you could still take the real Morse exam if you knew to ask for it? That's pretty STUPID, Brain, but then that's nothing new from you. There's very little of ANYthing you've engaged in this forum that indicates that you are "informed" at all... That shows just how uninformed you are. Not as of this moment. You still are an idiot and you are still making unfounded and irrational assertions. Steve, K4YZ Denial. |
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November 5th 04, 05:14 AM
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Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS....
From: (William) Date: 11/4/2004 5:39 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4YZ) wrote in message ... Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: (William) Date: 11/3/2004 1:45 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... I am a VE and I've never administered a "Farnsworth" examination. They do not exist. Here's a hint: it's the default exam. The examinee must ask for the real Morse Exam if they want to comply with Part 97. There is no such thing as a Farnsworth exam. Denial. Fact. Show me a reference. And Amateur Radio haas not had a lack of enforcement...they've had a lack of ADEQUATE enforcement. Hmmmm? I wonder what I meant by "lack?" Your original statement was worded in such a way as to insinuate that there'd been NO enforcement. That was not tue. MORE enforcement was what was needed then...And still true today. Agreed. You're still on the loose. Hardly. Ovr 30 years of Amateur licensure nothing but commendations and awards...The only "correspondence" I've ever receive from the FCC has been IRT my renewals. To the best of my knowledge, Well there you go. You're basing your opinion upon your own limited knowledge. I dare say MY "limits" are far more expansive than yours. As a matter of fact, I KNOW they are! They may be. But if you didn't pay attention during your exposure, then your knowledge and opinions will be found lacking. So far, nothing you've been able to "bring up" has exceeded my skills, knowledge or experience, Brain. Apparently it has, on numerous occasions. Such as...??? You mean that assinine assertion "Unlicensed devices play a major role in emergency comms" you've made? Sheeesh. What "informed opinion"...??? You are talking about a "Farnsworth" exam which does not exist. Then why would the ARRL and then the NCVEC make an announcement that henceforth all of their default code exams would be Farnsworth? That you could still take the real Morse exam if you knew to ask for it? That's pretty STUPID, Brain, but then that's nothing new from you. There's very little of ANYthing you've engaged in this forum that indicates that you are "informed" at all... That shows just how uninformed you are. Not as of this moment. You still are an idiot and you are still making unfounded and irrational assertions. Steve, K4YZ Denial. You may deny all you care to. Brian P. Burke remains a liar and an idiot. No Brag...Just Fact... Steve, K4YZ |
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November 3rd 04, 08:04 PM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: (William) Date: 10/31/2004 7:53 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: There's no reasoning with emotional belief systems...such as the PCTA's insistence that all who come after must jump through the same hoops they had to when younger. You have a point. There is no reasoning with emotional belief systems. Take a guy who believes that those tested in amateur radio are "jumping through hoops" or that the testing elements given today are the same as those in years past. How would you deal with such a guy? True enough. The Volunteer Examiners are giving Farnsworth exams rather than the FCC/Part 97 specified Morse Code exams. There is no such thing as a "Farnsworth exam". Volunteer examiners will tell you otherwise. "Steve" says he's a VE and he's OK. :-) And supposedly being a VE, you should know that. Whatever "Steve" does is OK. Under "Steve Rulez." The FCC is required to ensure that all exams and exam materials used in the conduct of exams on their behalf are appropriate. The FCC is required to ensure that what they enforce on Howard Stern is also enforced on Oprah. According to "Steve," the FCC pays a lot of attention to what a bunch of radio hobbyists do in the service of their country... In reality there is a difference story...but the fantasylanders don't want to tarnish the patina of their embellishments. I said before the restructuring and I'll say it again, "What I fear most about restructuring is a lack of enforcement, and what I fear most about maintaining the status quo is a lack of enforcement." Amateur Radio is now in it's 30th year of a lack of enforcement. Actually, longer. CB (on HF) became legal 46 years ago...NO code test then to get on HF, not even a single test to take. After a few years the "licensure" (token callsign on completion of application) was removed. To the best of my knowledge, Well there you go. You're basing your opinion upon your own limited knowledge. True enough. But, "Steve" has LICENSURE and is "fully authorized" to operate (radiating RF) within the boundaries of amateur radio regulations. That's enough to make him imagine anything that he wants is real, legal, and the Absolute Truth. [I still say it is all due to some post-traumatic stress problem, perhaps from those "seven hostile actions"] not a single exam in service today has been identified by the FCC as being inappropriate or not in confomance with FCC requirements, nor has the FCC ever directed the removal from service of any Morse Code exam as unacceptable. Nor would they. It is Morse Code that is specified in Part 97. You're going to have to try a little harder to unseat my informed opinion. The FCC still hasn't fully qualified its own definition of International Morse Code in Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. Neither do they fully and unambiguously define telegraphy "word rate." However, "Steve" imagines he is still Boss NCO of the unit and gives Orders as if everyone else were the recruits in the "corps." As if... Steve, K4YZ Yeh, sure. Whatever. Opus' Mayor Bill (the Cat) has the last word..."Pbthththth..." :-) |
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November 4th 04, 11:53 AM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (William) writes: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: (William) Date: 10/31/2004 7:53 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: There's no reasoning with emotional belief systems...such as the PCTA's insistence that all who come after must jump through the same hoops they had to when younger. You have a point. There is no reasoning with emotional belief systems. Take a guy who believes that those tested in amateur radio are "jumping through hoops" or that the testing elements given today are the same as those in years past. How would you deal with such a guy? True enough. The Volunteer Examiners are giving Farnsworth exams rather than the FCC/Part 97 specified Morse Code exams. There is no such thing as a "Farnsworth exam". Volunteer examiners will tell you otherwise. "Steve" says he's a VE and he's OK. :-) And supposedly being a VE, you should know that. Whatever "Steve" does is OK. Under "Steve Rulez." The FCC is required to ensure that all exams and exam materials used in the conduct of exams on their behalf are appropriate. The FCC is required to ensure that what they enforce on Howard Stern is also enforced on Oprah. According to "Steve," the FCC pays a lot of attention to what a bunch of radio hobbyists do in the service of their country... In reality there is a difference story...but the fantasylanders don't want to tarnish the patina of their embellishments. I said before the restructuring and I'll say it again, "What I fear most about restructuring is a lack of enforcement, and what I fear most about maintaining the status quo is a lack of enforcement." Amateur Radio is now in it's 30th year of a lack of enforcement. Actually, longer. CB (on HF) became legal 46 years ago...NO code test then to get on HF, not even a single test to take. After a few years the "licensure" (token callsign on completion of application) was removed. To the best of my knowledge, Well there you go. You're basing your opinion upon your own limited knowledge. True enough. But, "Steve" has LICENSURE and is "fully authorized" to operate (radiating RF) within the boundaries of amateur radio regulations. That's enough to make him imagine anything that he wants is real, legal, and the Absolute Truth. [I still say it is all due to some post-traumatic stress problem, perhaps from those "seven hostile actions"] not a single exam in service today has been identified by the FCC as being inappropriate or not in confomance with FCC requirements, nor has the FCC ever directed the removal from service of any Morse Code exam as unacceptable. Nor would they. It is Morse Code that is specified in Part 97. You're going to have to try a little harder to unseat my informed opinion. The FCC still hasn't fully qualified its own definition of International Morse Code in Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. Neither do they fully and unambiguously define telegraphy "word rate." However, "Steve" imagines he is still Boss NCO of the unit and gives Orders as if everyone else were the recruits in the "corps." As if... Steve, K4YZ Yeh, sure. Whatever. Opus' Mayor Bill (the Cat) has the last word..."Pbthththth..." :-) Steve has an incredibly uninformed knowledge bank wrt Volunteer Examining. Luckily for the ARS, he is busy being a volunteer for numerous other organizations. |
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November 5th 04, 01:27 AM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: (William) Date: 10/31/2004 7:53 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: There's no reasoning with emotional belief systems...such as the PCTA's insistence that all who come after must jump through the same hoops they had to when younger. You have a point. There is no reasoning with emotional belief systems. Take a guy who believes that those tested in amateur radio are "jumping through hoops" or that the testing elements given today are the same as those in years past. How would you deal with such a guy? True enough. The Volunteer Examiners are giving Farnsworth exams rather than the FCC/Part 97 specified Morse Code exams. There is no such thing as a "Farnsworth exam". Volunteer examiners will tell you otherwise. "Steve" says he's a VE and he's OK. :-) And supposedly being a VE, you should know that. Whatever "Steve" does is OK. Under "Steve Rulez." The FCC is required to ensure that all exams and exam materials used in the conduct of exams on their behalf are appropriate. The FCC is required to ensure that what they enforce on Howard Stern is also enforced on Oprah. According to "Steve," the FCC pays a lot of attention to what a bunch of radio hobbyists do in the service of their country... In reality there is a difference story...but the fantasylanders don't want to tarnish the patina of their embellishments. I said before the restructuring and I'll say it again, "What I fear most about restructuring is a lack of enforcement, and what I fear most about maintaining the status quo is a lack of enforcement." Amateur Radio is now in it's 30th year of a lack of enforcement. Actually, longer. CB (on HF) became legal 46 years ago...NO code test then to get on HF, not even a single test to take. After a few years the "licensure" (token callsign on completion of application) was removed. To the best of my knowledge, Well there you go. You're basing your opinion upon your own limited knowledge. True enough. But, "Steve" has LICENSURE and is "fully authorized" to operate (radiating RF) within the boundaries of amateur radio regulations. That's enough to make him imagine anything that he wants is real, legal, and the Absolute Truth. [I still say it is all due to some post-traumatic stress problem, perhaps from those "seven hostile actions"] not a single exam in service today has been identified by the FCC as being inappropriate or not in confomance with FCC requirements, nor has the FCC ever directed the removal from service of any Morse Code exam as unacceptable. Nor would they. It is Morse Code that is specified in Part 97. You're going to have to try a little harder to unseat my informed opinion. The FCC still hasn't fully qualified its own definition of International Morse Code in Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. Neither do they fully and unambiguously define telegraphy "word rate." However, "Steve" imagines he is still Boss NCO of the unit and gives Orders as if everyone else were the recruits in the "corps." As if... Steve, K4YZ Yeh, sure. Whatever. Opus' Mayor Bill (the Cat) has the last word..."Pbthththth..." :-) Steve has an incredibly uninformed knowledge bank wrt Volunteer Examining. Luckily for the ARS, he is busy being a volunteer for numerous other organizations. His "bank" has no interest. Come to think of it, I'm not much "interested" in that "knowledge." :-) Careful, "Steve" is going to "show you his 'citations' at Dayton!" [I think his singular citation is swingting...as the saying goes] I'm still curious as to "Steve's" citations for those 'seven hostile actions' he claimed he had. Or the acknowledgement that DoD really does run MARS and does so OUTSIDE the ham bands. Or "Steve's" power (as a licensured health professional) to pick up a phone and have just anyone "picked up" by the authorities. That's just up in the top 3 of dozens of his claims. Ho hum. |
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