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November 25th 04, 11:16 AM
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Who Can Have A US License? Sequential Calls?
Subject: Care To Try Again, Steve?
From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 11/24/2004 7:32 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4YZ) writes: Hardly "gobbling", Jim. Either them OR us! According to your own statistics, a large percentage of the most desirable KH2 and KH0 calls are held by noresident aliens. No...YOU said the "most desireable" calls were being gobbled up! That's pretty subjective. Personally, I don't care for the 2 x 1 formatted calls. If it were me, and I were out there, I'd get a 2 x 2 formatted call in either the AH or KH block. You've NOT answered my question Jim. Were the "tests" conducted illegally or inappropriately? I don't know. I've never been to one of those VE sessions. I'm not going to make any claims one way or the other. However, suppose for a moment that there *were* some rules broken by a VE team made up of noncitizens who have never been to US territory. How could FCC do any enforcement actions against them other than revoking their US licenses? Fair enough. However, after 20+ years of VE testing, I have yet to hear of one of those overseas tests as being determined to be a "license for sale" situation rather than an above-board test session. Yet we HAVE had more than a small number of VE test session right here in the US that WERE just that (license for sale). I am sure there have been cases of fines, but in most cases, revocation of of licensure for both "licensee" and "examiner" was the only penalty enforced. Big snippage...Not much to argue with... I'm not the one arguing that there's a probelm, Jim. (Note: IRT Jim;s concerens vis-a-vis foreign nationals holding US licensure) You and Hans can work that one out! That's what we're trying to do. OK...then send a copy of the document to me and I'd be glad to sign on as a co-sponsor. But right now there's not much to argue with since what's going on appears to be legal and there's no other legal precedent for the FCC to say "No, We won't accept license applications from non-resident foreign nationals". Ya *really* wanna stir things up? Imagine if FCC came up with a new callsign system, like this: 1) No more vanity calls 2) All CONUS callsigns begin with W 3) All non-CONUS callsigns begin with K 4) All nonresident callsigns begin with N 5) All special event callsigns begin with A 6) All callsigns indicate the geographic location of the licensee's address. If you move across a call district boundary, you get a new callsign, sequentially issued, no choice. 7) Everybody gets a 2x3 call except Extras, who get the shorter calls, sequentially issued, until they're used up. 8) If your present call matches the new system, you can keep it. Otherwise you get a sequentially issued new call on the next renewal. No choice of the new call. Can you imagine the uproar? Since when has creating an up-roar been un-American...?!?! Actually, Here's MY idea. All new callsigns are assigned a 2x3 callsign, regardless of class, period. All existing calls stay the same unless the licensee requests a change which they pay for. The FCC continues to offer the different "Group" callsigns, but if the licensee wants a call other than what was issued, they pony up the change...No more "sequential" calls other than the 2x3 they were issued. If you move across a call district line, you either apply for a call in that district, or you are obligated to sign "portable", "stroke", "mobile", etc that call district. There are both enforcement and "good operating practice" issues therein. The actual cost of the licensing program would go down since the FCC would no longer be issuing tons of "sequential" callsigns gratis, and fees collected would go up since you couldn't get any other format of call without ponying up the change to do so. Of course it'll never happen, because the admin paperwork alone would be a nightmare. Plus the vanity revenue would go away. The paperwork would go down since they'd no longer be getting 605's at every change of class of license or address change and the fees would go up since they were no longer issuing (save for the initial call) gratis licenses. And the FCC would be getting paid to process what extra paperwork they DID receive. 73 and Happy Turkey Day Steve, K4YZ |
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November 25th 04, 11:33 AM
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Subject: Who Can Have A US License? Sequential Calls?
From: (Steve Robeson K4YZ) Date: 11/25/2004 5:16 AM Central Standard Time All new callsigns are assigned a 2x3 callsign, regardless of class, period. All existing calls stay the same unless the licensee requests a change which they pay for. Excuse me.... "All new LICENSEES" are assigned a 2x3 callsign....." 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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November 25th 04, 03:25 PM
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"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote in message ... Subject: Who Can Have A US License? Sequential Calls? From: (Steve Robeson K4YZ) Date: 11/25/2004 5:16 AM Central Standard Time All new callsigns are assigned a 2x3 callsign, regardless of class, period. All existing calls stay the same unless the licensee requests a change which they pay for. Excuse me.... "All new LICENSEES" are assigned a 2x3 callsign....." Not quite correct. If a person tests all the way to Extra starting with no license at one sitting, their new license will be a sequentially assigned 2x2 beginning with A. Your statement is correct, however for anyone who starts out their first license as either a Tech or General since there are no more sequentially available 1x3s. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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November 25th 04, 03:29 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4YZ) writes: Subject: Care To Try Again, Steve? From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 11/24/2004 7:32 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4YZ) writes: Hardly "gobbling", Jim. Either them OR us! According to your own statistics, a large percentage of the most desirable KH2 and KH0 calls are held by noresident aliens. No...YOU said the "most desireable" calls were being gobbled up! And they are! That's pretty subjective. Personally, I don't care for the 2 x 1 formatted calls. If it were me, and I were out there, I'd get a 2 x 2 formatted call in either the AH or KH block. Well, there you have it. You've NOT answered my question Jim. Were the "tests" conducted illegally or inappropriately? I don't know. I've never been to one of those VE sessions. I'm not going to make any claims one way or the other. However, suppose for a moment that there *were* some rules broken by a VE team made up of noncitizens who have never been to US territory. How could FCC do any enforcement actions against them other than revoking their US licenses? Fair enough. However, after 20+ years of VE testing, I have yet to hear of one of those overseas tests as being determined to be a "license for sale" situation rather than an above-board test session. KH2D, who has *been there* says differently. See his posts on the subject. Yet we HAVE had more than a small number of VE test session right here in the US that WERE just that (license for sale). I am sure there have been cases of fines, but in most cases, revocation of of licensure for both "licensee" and "examiner" was the only penalty enforced. And a US citizen cannot use a foreign amateur license in the USA. So the penalty is much tougher on them. Big snippage...Not much to argue with... I'm not the one arguing that there's a probelm, Jim. (Note: IRT Jim;s concerens vis-a-vis foreign nationals holding US licensure) You and Hans can work that one out! That's what we're trying to do. OK...then send a copy of the document to me and I'd be glad to sign on as a co-sponsor. But right now there's not much to argue with since what's going on appears to be legal and there's no other legal precedent for the FCC to say "No, We won't accept license applications from non-resident foreign nationals". Don't need a precedent. Ya *really* wanna stir things up? Imagine if FCC came up with a new callsign system, like this: 1) No more vanity calls 2) All CONUS callsigns begin with W 3) All non-CONUS callsigns begin with K 4) All nonresident callsigns begin with N 5) All special event callsigns begin with A 6) All callsigns indicate the geographic location of the licensee's address. If you move across a call district boundary, you get a new callsign, sequentially issued, no choice. 7) Everybody gets a 2x3 call except Extras, who get the shorter calls, sequentially issued, until they're used up. 8) If your present call matches the new system, you can keep it. Otherwise you get a sequentially issued new call on the next renewal. No choice of the new call. Can you imagine the uproar? Since when has creating an up-roar been un-American...?!?! Actually, Here's MY idea. All new callsigns are assigned a 2x3 callsign, regardless of class, period. All existing calls stay the same unless the licensee requests a change which they pay for. Right away I can hear the yelling. The FCC continues to offer the different "Group" callsigns, but if the licensee wants a call other than what was issued, they pony up the change...No more "sequential" calls other than the 2x3 they were issued. hooboy If you move across a call district line, you either apply for a call in that district, or you are obligated to sign "portable", "stroke", "mobile", etc that call district. There are both enforcement and "good operating practice" issues therein. So I'd have to start signing "N2EY/3" after more than 20 years of not having to do so from here? That's effectively lengthening the call to a 2x3 Would I have to pay the fee to get a 3 land call? What if all the 3-land 1x2s are gone? The actual cost of the licensing program would go down since the FCC would no longer be issuing tons of "sequential" callsigns gratis, and fees collected would go up since you couldn't get any other format of call without ponying up the change to do so. Issuing sequentials costs almost nothing because the computer simply spits them out automatically. Of course it'll never happen, because the admin paperwork alone would be a nightmare. Plus the vanity revenue would go away. The paperwork would go down since they'd no longer be getting 605's at every change of class of license or address change whoa! 5 years ago I moved from 19082 to 19087. Still EPA, no callsign change would have been required under any rules. Yet I had to send in a 605. and the fees would go up since they were no longer issuing (save for the initial call) gratis licenses. And the FCC would be getting paid to process what extra paperwork they DID receive. But do vanity fees go to FCC or to the general fund? 73 and Happy Turkey Day don't each too much bird 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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November 25th 04, 04:45 PM
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Subject: Who Can Have A US License? Sequential Calls?
From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 11/25/2004 9:29 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4YZ) writes: Subject: Care To Try Again, Steve? From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 11/24/2004 7:32 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4YZ) writes: No...YOU said the "most desireable" calls were being gobbled up! And they are! Subjective, Jim, subjective! That's pretty subjective. Personally, I don't care for the 2 x 1 formatted calls. If it were me, and I were out there, I'd get a 2 x 2 formatted call in either the AH or KH block. Well, there you have it. Again...it's all subjective. Fair enough. However, after 20+ years of VE testing, I have yet to hear of one of those overseas tests as being determined to be a "license for sale" situation rather than an above-board test session. KH2D, who has *been there* says differently. See his posts on the subject. I read it. He refered to "CBers" with Amateur licenses. He did not specify that ther were licenses obtained from VE exams held at foreign hamfests. Sounded to me like "locals"... And I said that if he didn't get the desired results, he should push it with DoJ. Yet we HAVE had more than a small number of VE test session right here in the US that WERE just that (license for sale). I am sure there have been cases of fines, but in most cases, revocation of of licensure for both "licensee" and "examiner" was the only penalty enforced. And a US citizen cannot use a foreign amateur license in the USA. So the penalty is much tougher on them. That's not the point. You brought up how to enforce regulations on foreign Amateurs who may allow some misconduct in the performance of a VE session. No where did I say ANYthing about using a foreign license in the United States. What I DID say was that in VE session right here at home, conducted by Americans, the "most" penalties usually enforced are license revocation of both the licensee and the "examiner". Are you suggesting any GREATER penalty on a foreigner who commits the same crime? Do you dispute this fact? OK...then send a copy of the document to me and I'd be glad to sign on as a co-sponsor. But right now there's not much to argue with since what's going on appears to be legal and there's no other legal precedent for the FCC to say "No, We won't accept license applications from non-resident foreign nationals". Don't need a precedent. Sure you do. Why would the government revoke ANY privilege unless there was some misconduct or abuse of that privilege? If you force THAT issue, then "they" can adequately argue that there are even far greater abuses right here at home and the whole program goes out the window! Ya *really* wanna stir things up? Imagine if FCC came up with a new callsign system, like this: 1) No more vanity calls 2) All CONUS callsigns begin with W 3) All non-CONUS callsigns begin with K 4) All nonresident callsigns begin with N 5) All special event callsigns begin with A 6) All callsigns indicate the geographic location of the licensee's address. If you move across a call district boundary, you get a new callsign, sequentially issued, no choice. 7) Everybody gets a 2x3 call except Extras, who get the shorter calls, sequentially issued, until they're used up. 8) If your present call matches the new system, you can keep it. Otherwise you get a sequentially issued new call on the next renewal. No choice of the new call. Can you imagine the uproar? Since when has creating an up-roar been un-American...?!?! Actually, Here's MY idea. All new callsigns are assigned a 2x3 callsign, regardless of class, period. All existing calls stay the same unless the licensee requests a change which they pay for. Right away I can hear the yelling. Why? If it's someone "new", they will have never known any other way...and I specifically stated that all those already licensed would not be forced to make any changes. The FCC continues to offer the different "Group" callsigns, but if the licensee wants a call other than what was issued, they pony up the change...No more "sequential" calls other than the 2x3 they were issued. hooboy Why? Do you walk up to Burger King and just take the food? Fee-for-service is the way of the future if we continue to enact tax cuts. If you move across a call district line, you either apply for a call in that district, or you are obligated to sign "portable", "stroke", "mobile", etc that call district. There are both enforcement and "good operating practice" issues therein. So I'd have to start signing "N2EY/3" after more than 20 years of not having to do so from here? That's effectively lengthening the call to a 2x3 And no one looking for a 2-land call would wind up working someone in PA! "dadididadit didididadah" takes about 1 second extra at 20WPM. Big deal. Would I have to pay the fee to get a 3 land call? What did I say? What if all the 3-land 1x2s are gone? Ominus Feces Occurum. There'd be 3-laders living in FL and other places force to give up their "out-of-dictrict" calls too. The actual cost of the licensing program would go down since the FCC would no longer be issuing tons of "sequential" callsigns gratis, and fees collected would go up since you couldn't get any other format of call without ponying up the change to do so. Issuing sequentials costs almost nothing because the computer simply spits them out automatically. Still costs time to attend the computer, input the data, and pay for the actual forms and postage. Of course it'll never happen, because the admin paperwork alone would be a nightmare. Plus the vanity revenue would go away. The paperwork would go down since they'd no longer be getting 605's at every change of class of license or address change whoa! 5 years ago I moved from 19082 to 19087. Still EPA, no callsign change would have been required under any rules. Yet I had to send in a 605. You're the one talking about changes to the rules. How's this for example: "Where a change of address is requested and no other change of callsign would be required due to location within the same call district, attaching a copy of the letter of notification sent to the Commission to the original station records shall be considered adequate. A change of address on the original license document will be reflected upon the next routine renewal or paid license transaction." and the fees would go up since they were no longer issuing (save for the initial call) gratis licenses. And the FCC would be getting paid to process what extra paperwork they DID receive. But do vanity fees go to FCC or to the general fund? Againn, Jim, you're the one suggesting changes... 73 and Happy Turkey Day don't each too much bird No problem...when this one is gone, I am sure Lennie or Brain will flip us another! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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November 26th 04, 01:30 AM
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November 26th 04, 06:51 AM
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"N2EY" wrote How about we make it even easier: Carve up the callsign blocks into state-specific ones so you could tell which exact state someone was in just from the call. For example, in the 3rd call district, all calls with an M, R or Y in the suffix could be restricted to Maryland only, all calls with D, E or L could be restricted to Delaware, and all the rest would go to PA. (Adjust as needed for population variation) So you could just look at a callsign and know which state the ham was in. Aw, gee, Jim, that isn't nearly complicated enough. You gotta get it down to the country level at least, preferably the city or township level. The control freaks would like something like the old convoluted USSR system. If you knew a guys call sign, the system was almost detailed enough to use for targeting ICBMs. See below. Riley Hollingsworth could just dial in your call sign, and a boomer sub off the coast of New Jersey would target a tomahawk with the violation notice attached to the nosecone. I can just see it now ---- "Hey, K4CAP, your stations RF Exposure Evaluation appears to need updating. Please report when you have completed the required survey." 73, de Hans, K0HB/4ID TERRITORIES, PREFIXES AND SUFFIXES OF THE FORMER USSR. (Updated list of prefixes and suffixes of former USSR radio amateur stations). Compiled by Oleg Chernozyomov, UA4CIF, 31 March, 1995 Text corrections and additional information by RW3AH, Dec. 24th 1995. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Source: Literature - "Amateur Stations of the former Soviet Commonwealth" by RA6YR, 1995. Two-letter combinations after oblasts names in Russia and Ukraine are adopted for ham tests and other purposes. Russia R, RA, RK, RN, RU, RV, RW, RX, RZ, UA; 1-4, 6, 8-0; Armenia EK UG) Moldavia ER (ex-UO) Byelorussia EU-EW; EV5 (ex-UC) Kirghizia EX (ex-UM) Tadjikistan EY (ex-UJ) Turkmenia EZ (ex-UH) Uzbekistan UK (ex-UI) Kazakhstan UN; UP (ex-UL) Ukraine UR-UY; EM-EO; UV, UW, UZ, U5 (ex-UB) Azerbaijan 4J, 4K (ex-UD) Georgia 4L (ex-UF) Russia R, RA, RK, RN, RU, RV, RW, RX, RZ, UA; 1-4, 6, 8-0; ================================================== ========== * The second letter in a suffix: W, X, Y, Z - Club stations * U1-4, 6, 9-0 World War II veterans * U1MIR - U9MIR cosmonauts * R1ANA - R1ANZ Antarctica * R1FJA - R1FJZ Franz Josef Land (Arctic) * R1MVA - R1MVZ Maly Visotski Island (ex-4J1.) * R3ARES - Russian amateur radio emergency service H.Q (RARES), Moscow. * RE0RAS - RARES, Regional service. Central Siberia, Krasnoyarsk. * R3ARC - H.Q. Rescue service of Russian Red Cross. Moscow. * R3RRC - "Russian Robinson Club" H.Q. Lipetsk city (R3G area). * R3SRR - Russian Amateur Radio Union H.Q. Moscow. * R3VHF - VHF Committee of Russian Amateur Radio Union. Oblast Identification by Combination of a Figure and 1st letter in a suffix. __________________________________________________ ________________________*** Russia, Region 1 *** Central cityNorth-West Russia of a territoryA, B, D, F, G, H, I, J, L, M - St.Petersburg (SP)C Leningradskaya oblast (LO) St.PetersburgN Republicarelia (KL) (Prefix RN1) PetrozavodskO Arkhangelskaya oblast ArchangelskP Nenetsky Autonomous Okrug (NO) Nar'yan-MarQ, R, S Vologodskaya oblast (VO) VologdaT, U Novgorodskaya oblast (NV) NovgorodW, X Pskovskaya oblast (PS) PskovY, Z Murmanskaya oblast (MU) Murmansk*** Russia, Region 2 ***BalticsF Kaliningradskaya oblast (KA) Kaliningrad*** Russia, Region 3 ***Central RussiaA, B, C, F, H Moscow ciA)D Moskovskaya oblast (MO) Moscow area(Pushkino)E Orlovskaya oblast (OR) OryolG Lipetskaya oblast (LP) LipetskI, J Tverskaya oblast (TV) Tver'L Smolenskaya oblast (SM) SmolenskM Yaroslavskaya oblast (JA) YaroslavlN, O Kostromskaya oblast (KS) KostromaP Tul'skaya oblast (TL) TulaQ Voronezhskaya oblast (VH) VoronezhR Tambovskaya oblast (TB) TambovS Ryazanskaya oblast (RA) Ryazan'T Nizhegorodskaya oblast (NN) Nizhny NovgorodU Ivanovskaya oblast (IV) IvanovoV Vladimirskaya oblast (VL) VladimirW Kurskaya oblast (KU) KurskX Kaluzhskaya oblast (KG) KalugaY Bryanskaya oblast (BR) BryanskZ Belgorodskaya oblast (BO) Belgorod*** Russia, Region 4 ***Volga river area.A, B Volgogradskaya oblast (VG) VolgogradC, D Saratovskaya oblast (SA) SaratovF Penzenskaya oblast (PE) PenzaH, I Samarskaya oblast (SR) SamaraL, M Ul'anovskaya oblast (UL) Ul'anovskN, O Kirovskaya oblast (KI) Kirov (Vyatka)P, Q, R Republic of Ta (Tatarstan) (TA) Kazan'S, T Republic of Mari (Mari-El) (MR) Joshkar-OlaU Republic of Mordovia (MD) SaranskW Republic of Udmurtia (UD) IzhevskY, Z Republic of Chuvashia (CU) Cheboksary*** Russia, Region 6 ***Northern CaucususA, B, C, D Krasnodarsky Kray (KR) KrasnodarE Republic of Karachaevo-Cherkessia (KC) CherkesskF, G, H Stavropolsky Kray (ST) StavropolI Republic of Kalmykia (KM) ElistaJ Republic of Northern Ossetia (SO) VladikavkazL, M, N, O Rostovskaya oblast (RO) Rostov-on-DonP, Q, R Republics of Ingushetia and Chechnya (CN) Grozny,Nazran'U, V Astrakhanskaya oblast (AO) Astrakhan'W Republic of Daghestan (DA) MakhachkalaX Republuc of Kabardino-Balkaria (KB) Nal'chikY Republic of Adygeya (AD) Maykop*** Russia, Region 8 ***Far East (Buryatia)T Ust' Ordynsky Buryatsky Autonomous Okrug (UO) Ust' OrdynskyV Aginsky Buryatsky Autonomous Okrug (AB) Aginskoe*** Russia, Region 9 ***Ural mounts. area and Central, Western Siberia.A, B Chelyabinskaya oblast (CB) ChelyabinskC, D, E Sverdlovskaya oblast (SV) YekaterinburgF Permskaya oblast (PM) Perm'G Komi-Permyatsky Autonomous Okrug (KP) KudymkarH, I Tomskaya oblast (TO) TomskJ Khanty-Mansyisky Autonomous Okrug (HM) Khanty-MansyiskK Yamalo-Nenetsky Autonomous Okrug (JN) SalekhardL Tyumenskaya oblast (TN) Tyumen'M, N Omskaya oblast (OM) OmskO, P Novosibirskaya oblast (NS) NovosibirskQ, R Kurganskaya oblast (KN) KurganS, T Orenburgskaya oblast (OB) OrenburgU, V Kemerovskaya oblast (KE) KemerovoW Republic of Bashkiria (Bashkortostan)(BA) UfaX Republic of Komi (KO) SyktyvkarY Altaysky Kray - (AL) BarnaulZ Republic of Altay (GA) Gorno-Altaysk*** Russia, Region 0 ***Eastern Siberia and Far East.A Krasnoyarsky Kray (KK) KrasnoyarskB Taymyrsky Autonomous Okrug (TM) DudinkaC Khabarovsky Kray (HK) KhabarovskD Yevreyskaya (Jewish) Autonomous Oblast (EA) BirobidzhanE, F, G Sakhalinskaya Oblast (SL)Yuzhno-SakhalinskH Evenkiysky Autonomous Okrug (EW) TuraI Magadanskaya oblast (MG) MagadanJ Amurskaya oblast (AM) BlagoveshenskK Chukotsky Autonomous Okrug (CK) Anadyr'L, M, N Primorsky Kray (PK) VladivostokO, P Republic of Buryatia (BU) Ulan-UdeQ, R Republic of Yakutia (Saha) (YA) YakutskS, T Irkutskaya oblast (IR) IrkutskU, V Chitinskaya oblast (CT) ChitaW Republic of Khakassia (HA) AbakanX Koryaksky Autonomous Okrug (KJ) PalanaY Republic of Tuva (TU) KyzylZ Kamchatskaya oblast (KT)Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky __________________________________________________ ________________________ Armenia EK Yerevan city. ======= -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moldavia (Moldova) ER ======================6, 7, 8, 9 - In reserve, special event licenses.0 - For foreign amateurs.Suffixes: KAA - KZZ - Club station AAA - ZZZ - 4 - Category AA - ZZ - 1, 2, 3 - CategoryER1 Kishinev, Dubossary, Orgeev, KhyncheshtyER2 Tiraspol, Bendery, KaushanyER3 Beltsy, Rybnitsa, FloreshtyER4 Yedintsy, Drokia, SorokiER5 Kagul, Komrat, Leovo, Chadyr-Lunga __________________________________________________ ________________________ Byelorussia EU. 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EV. ========================EU - EW1 MinskEU - EW2 Minskaya oblast Minsk (Borisov)EU - EW3 Brestskaya oblast BrestEU - EW4 Grodnenskaya oblast GrodnoEU - EW6 Vitebskaya oblast VitebskEU - EW7 Mogilyovskaya oblast MogilyovEU - EW8 Gomel'skaya oblast GomelEU, EW9 In reserveEU, EW0 For foreign amateursEV5 For special event licensesSuffixes YAA - YZZ female operatorSuffixes, beginning with W, X, Z Club stationEV1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, Suffixes A - Z World War II veterans, special memorial event stations. __________________________________________________ ________________________ Kirghizia EX. ==============EX2, 8, 0 one-letter suffixes Extra licenseEX6, 7, 8 two-letter suffixes I CategoryEX8, three-letter suffixes - 2, 3 CategoryEX9, second letter in a suffix - W, X, Y, Z - Club stationOblast identification by the 1st letter in a suffix (excluding Extrastations)M Chuyskaya oblast, Bishkek BishkekN Oshskaya oblast OshP Narynskaya oblast NarynQ Issyk-kul'skaya oblast PrzhevalskT Talasskaya oblast TalasV Dzhalal-Abadskaya oblast Dzhalal-Abad __________________________________________________ ________________________ Tadjikistan EY. =================EY1, 2, 3, 0 - In reserveSuffixes ZA - ZZ, ZAA - ZZZ - Club stationEY4 Gorno-Badakhshanskaya Autonomous Oblast KhorogEY5 Khatlonskaya oblast (region of Kulyab)EY6 Khatlonskaya oblast (region of Kurgan-Tyube)EY7 Leninabadskaya oblast KhodzhentEY8 DushanbeEY9 Nurek and Republican subordinate regions __________________________________________________ ________________________ Turkmenia EZ. =============EZ3 Akhalsky veloyatEZ4 Balkansky veloyatEZ5 Maryisky veloyatEZ6 Dashkhovuzsky veloyatEZ7 Lebapsky veloyatEZ8 AshgabadOne-letter suffixes Club stationOne-letter suffixes W,X,X,Z For special event licenses __________________________________________________ ________________________Uzbekistan UK================UK7, 8, 9UJ, UL, UM - In reserveSuffixes WA - ZZ Club stationU8 World War II veteransOblast identification by the 1st letter of a suffix:A TashkentB Tashkentskaya oblast TashkentC Kashkardar'inskaya oblast KarshiD Syrdar'inskaya oblast GulistanF Andizhanskaya oblast AndizhanG Ferganskaya oblast FerganaI Samarkandskaya oblast SamarkandL Bukharskaya oblast BukharaO Namanganskaya oblast NamanganQ Navoiyskaya oblast NavoiT Surkhandar'inskaya oblast TermezU Khorezmskaya oblast UrgenchV Dzhizakskaya oblast DzhizakZ Karakalpakia Nukus __________________________________________________ ________________________ Kazakhstan UN =============UN ordinary licensesUP For special event licensesSuffixes XA - XZ Emergency servicesUN1, UO, UQ In reserveOne-letter suffixes: Extra licenseTwo-letter suffixes: I CategoryThree-letter suffixes: 2, 3, 4 categoryOblast identification by the 1st letter of a suffix:A Mangistauskaya oblast MangistauB Akmolinskaya oblast AkmolinskC Severo-Kazakhstanskaya oblast PetropavlovskD Semipalatinskaya oblast SemipalatinskE Kokchetavskaya (Kokshetau) oblast KokchetavF Pavlodarskaya oblast PavlodarG Alma-Ata (Almaty)I Aktyubinskaya oblast AktyubinskJ Vostochno-Kazakhstanskaya oblast Ust' KamenogorskK Kzyl-Ordinskaya oblast Kzyl OrdaL Kustanayskaya oblast KustanayM Ural'skaya oblast UralskN Chimkentskaya oblast Chimkent(Shymkent)O Atyrauskaya oblast AtyrauP Karagandinskaya oblast KaragandaQ Alma-Atinskaya oblast Alma-Ata(Alamaty)R Dzhezkazganskaya oblast Dzhezkazgan (Zhezkazgan)S Leninsk (Baikonur)T Dzhambulskaya oblast Dzhambul(Zhambyl)V Taldy-Kurganskaya oblast Taldy-Kurgan (Taldykorgan)Y rgayskaya oblast Arkalyk __________________________________________________ ________________________ Ukraine UR-UY. ===============UR - UY ordinary licensesEM - EO For special event licensesUV, UW, UZ In reserveU5 World War II veteransTwo-letter suffixes: I CategoryThree-letter suffixes: 2, 3, 4 CategiriesSecond letter of a suffix: W, X, Y, Z - Club stationsUU1-8J, UU0J Crimea (KR) SimferopolUU9J Sevastopol (SL)Oblast identification by the 1st letter of a suffix:A Sumskaya oblast (SU) SumyB Ternopolskaya oblast (TE) TernopolC Cherkasskaya oblast (CH) CherkassyD Zakarpatskaya oblast (ZA) UzhgorodE Dnepropetrovskaya oblast (DN) DnepropetrovskF Odesskaya oblast (OD) OdessaG Khersonskaya oblast (HE) KhersonH Poltavskaya oblast (PO) PoltavaI Donetskaya oblast (DO) DonetskK Rovenskaya oblast (RI) Rovno (Rivno)L Kharkovskaya oblast (HA) KharkovM Luganskaya oblast (LU) LuganskN Vinnitskaya oblast (VI) VinnitsaP Volynskaya oblast (VO) LutskQ Zaporozhskaya oblast (ZP) ZaporozhieR Chernigovskaya oblast (CR) ChernigovS Ivano-Frankovskaya oblast (IF) Ivano-Frankovsk (Ivano-Frankivsk)T Khmelnitskaya oblast (HM) KhmelnitskyU Kievskaya oblast (KO) KievU Kiev (KV)V Kirovogradskaya oblast (KI) KirovogradW Lvovskaya oblast (LV) Lvov (Lviv)X Zhitomirskaya oblast (ZH) ZhitomirY Chernovitskaya oblast (CN) ChernovtsyZ Nikolaevskaya oblast (NI) Nikolaev __________________________________________________ ________________________ Azerbaijan 4J. 4K. ====================4J, 4K1, 0 For special event licenses and foreign amateurs.Suffixes AWA - ZZZ Club station AAA - ZVZ 2, 3 Category AA - ZZ 1 Category A - Z Extra licenses4J2, 4K2 Nakhichevan'4J4-9, 4K4-9 Baku city4J3, 4K3 Azerbaijan territories excluding Baku and Nakhichevan' __________________________________________________ ________________________ Georgia 4L. ==============4L1, 4L4, 4L6, 4L7, 4L0 ordinary licenses2, 3, 5, 8, 9 In reserveOne-letter suffiz Extra licensesTerritory Msg #36 From: RW3AH Date: 27-Dec 0752Z Subj: Ex-USSRCALLSIGN SYSTEM TERRITORIES, PREFIXES AND SUFFIXES OF THE FORMER USSR. ================================================== ====(Updated list of prefixes and suffixes of former USSR radioamateur stations). Compiled by Oleg Chernozyomov, UA4CIF, 31 March, 1995 Text corrections and additional information by RW3AH, Dec. 24th 1995. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Source: Literature - "Amateur Stations of the former SovietCommonwealth" by RA6YR, 1995. Two-letter combinations after oblasts names in Russia and Ukraine are adopted for ham tests and other purposes. Russia R, RA, RK, RN, RU, RV, RW, RX, RZ, UA; 1-4, 6, 8-0; Armenia EK UG) Moldavia ER (ex-UO) Byelorussia EU-EW; EV5 (ex-UC) Kirghizia EX (ex-UM) Tadjikistan EY (ex-UJ) Turkmenia EZ (ex-UH) Uzbekistan UK (ex-UI) Kazakhstan UN; UP (ex-UL) Ukraine UR-UY; EM-EO; UV, UW, UZ, U5 (ex-UB) Azerbaijan 4J, 4K (ex-UD) Georgia 4L (ex-UF) Russia R, RA, RK, RN, RU, RV, RW, RX, RZ, UA; 1-4, 6, 8-0; ================================================== ========== * The second letter in a suffix: W, X, Y, Z - Club stations * U1-4, 6, 9-0 World War II veterans * U1MIR - U9MIR cosmonauts * R1ANA - R1ANZ Antarctica * R1FJA - R1FJZ Franz Josef Land (Arctic) * R1MVA - R1MVZ Maly Visotski Island (ex-4J1.) * R3ARES - Russian amateur radio emergency service H.Q (RARES), Moscow. * RE0RAS - RARES, Regional service. Central Siberia, Krasnoyarsk. * R3ARC - H.Q. Rescue service of Russian Red Cross. Moscow. * R3RRC - "Russian Robinson Club" H.Q. Lipetsk city (R3G area). * R3SRR - Russian Amateur Radio Union H.Q. Moscow. * R3VHF - VHF Committee of Russian Amateur Radio Union. Oblast Identification by Combination of a Figure and 1st letter in a suffix. __________________________________________________ ________________________*** Russia, Region 1 *** Central cityNorth-West Russia of a territoryA, B, D, F, G, H, I, J, L, M - St.Petersburg (SP)C Leningradskaya oblast (LO) St.PetersburgN Republicarelia (KL) (Prefix RN1) PetrozavodskO Arkhangelskaya oblast ArchangelskP Nenetsky Autonomous Okrug (NO) Nar'yan-MarQ, R, S Vologodskaya oblast (VO) VologdaT, U Novgorodskaya oblast (NV) NovgorodW, X Pskovskaya oblast (PS) PskovY, Z Murmanskaya oblast (MU) Murmansk*** Russia, Region 2 ***BalticsF Kaliningradskaya oblast (KA) Kaliningrad*** Russia, Region 3 ***Central RussiaA, B, C, F, H Moscow ciA)D Moskovskaya oblast (MO) Moscow area(Pushkino)E Orlovskaya oblast (OR) OryolG Lipetskaya oblast (LP) LipetskI, J Tverskaya oblast (TV) Tver'L Smolenskaya oblast (SM) SmolenskM Yaroslavskaya oblast (JA) YaroslavlN, O Kostromskaya oblast (KS) KostromaP Tul'skaya oblast (TL) TulaQ Voronezhskaya oblast (VH) VoronezhR Tambovskaya oblast (TB) TambovS Ryazanskaya oblast (RA) Ryazan'T Nizhegorodskaya oblast (NN) Nizhny NovgorodU Ivanovskaya oblast (IV) IvanovoV Vladimirskaya oblast (VL) VladimirW Kurskaya oblast (KU) KurskX Kaluzhskaya oblast (KG) KalugaY Bryanskaya oblast (BR) BryanskZ Belgorodskaya oblast (BO) Belgorod*** Russia, Region 4 ***Volga river area.A, B Volgogradskaya oblast (VG) VolgogradC, D Saratovskaya oblast (SA) SaratovF Penzenskaya oblast (PE) PenzaH, I Samarskaya oblast (SR) SamaraL, M Ul'anovskaya oblast (UL) Ul'anovskN, O Kirovskaya oblast (KI) Kirov (Vyatka)P, Q, R Republic of Ta (Tatarstan) (TA) Kazan'S, T Republic of Mari (Mari-El) (MR) Joshkar-OlaU Republic of Mordovia (MD) SaranskW Republic of Udmurtia (UD) IzhevskY, Z Republic of Chuvashia (CU) Cheboksary*** Russia, Region 6 ***Northern CaucususA, B, C, D Krasnodarsky Kray (KR) KrasnodarE Republic of Karachaevo-Cherkessia (KC) CherkesskF, G, H Stavropolsky Kray (ST) StavropolI Republic of Kalmykia (KM) ElistaJ Republic of Northern Ossetia (SO) VladikavkazL, M, N, O Rostovskaya oblast (RO) Rostov-on-DonP, Q, R Republics of Ingushetia and Chechnya (CN) Grozny,Nazran'U, V Astrakhanskaya oblast (AO) Astrakhan'W Republic of Daghestan (DA) MakhachkalaX Republuc of Kabardino-Balkaria (KB) Nal'chikY Republic of Adygeya (AD) Maykop*** Russia, Region 8 ***Far East (Buryatia)T Ust' Ordynsky Buryatsky Autonomous Okrug (UO) Ust' OrdynskyV Aginsky Buryatsky Autonomous Okrug (AB) Aginskoe*** Russia, Region 9 ***Ural mounts. area and Central, Western Siberia.A, B Chelyabinskaya oblast (CB) ChelyabinskC, D, E Sverdlovskaya oblast (SV) YekaterinburgF Permskaya oblast (PM) Perm'G Komi-Permyatsky Autonomous Okrug (KP) KudymkarH, I Tomskaya oblast (TO) TomskJ Khanty-Mansyisky Autonomous Okrug (HM) Khanty-MansyiskK Yamalo-Nenetsky Autonomous Okrug (JN) SalekhardL Tyumenskaya oblast (TN) Tyumen'M, N Omskaya oblast (OM) OmskO, P Novosibirskaya oblast (NS) NovosibirskQ, R Kurganskaya oblast (KN) KurganS, T Orenburgskaya oblast (OB) OrenburgU, V Kemerovskaya oblast (KE) KemerovoW Republic of Bashkiria (Bashkortostan)(BA) UfaX Republic of Komi (KO) SyktyvkarY Altaysky Kray - (AL) BarnaulZ Republic of Altay (GA) Gorno-Altaysk*** Russia, Region 0 ***Eastern Siberia and Far East.A Krasnoyarsky Kray (KK) KrasnoyarskB Taymyrsky Autonomous Okrug (TM) DudinkaC Khabarovsky Kray (HK) KhabarovskD Yevreyskaya (Jewish) Autonomous Oblast (EA) BirobidzhanE, F, G Sakhalinskaya Oblast (SL)Yuzhno-SakhalinskH Evenkiysky Autonomous Okrug (EW) TuraI Magadanskaya oblast (MG) MagadanJ Amurskaya oblast (AM) BlagoveshenskK Chukotsky Autonomous Okrug (CK) Anadyr'L, M, N Primorsky Kray (PK) VladivostokO, P Republic of Buryatia (BU) Ulan-UdeQ, R Republic of Yakutia (Saha) (YA) YakutskS, T Irkutskaya oblast (IR) IrkutskU, V Chitinskaya oblast (CT) ChitaW Republic of Khakassia (HA) AbakanX Koryaksky Autonomous Okrug (KJ) PalanaY Republic of Tuva (TU) KyzylZ Kamchatskaya oblast (KT)Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky __________________________________________________ ________________________ Armenia EK Yerevan city. ======= -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moldavia (Moldova) ER ======================6, 7, 8, 9 - In reserve, special event licenses.0 - For foreign amateurs.Suffixes: KAA - KZZ - Club station AAA - ZZZ - 4 - Category AA - ZZ - 1, 2, 3 - CategoryER1 Kishinev, Dubossary, Orgeev, KhyncheshtyER2 Tiraspol, Bendery, KaushanyER3 Beltsy, Rybnitsa, FloreshtyER4 Yedintsy, Drokia, SorokiER5 Kagul, Komrat, Leovo, Chadyr-Lunga __________________________________________________ ________________________ Byelorussia EU. EW. EV. ========================EU - EW1 MinskEU - EW2 Minskaya oblast Minsk (Borisov)EU - EW3 Brestskaya oblast BrestEU - EW4 Grodnenskaya oblast GrodnoEU - EW6 Vitebskaya oblast VitebskEU - EW7 Mogilyovskaya oblast MogilyovEU - EW8 Gomel'skaya oblast GomelEU, EW9 In reserveEU, EW0 For foreign amateursEV5 For special event licensesSuffixes YAA - YZZ female operatorSuffixes, beginning with W, X, Z Club stationEV1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, Suffixes A - Z World War II veterans, special memorial event stations. __________________________________________________ ________________________ Kirghizia EX. ==============EX2, 8, 0 one-letter suffixes Extra licenseEX6, 7, 8 two-letter suffixes I CategoryEX8, three-letter suffixes - 2, 3 CategoryEX9, second letter in a suffix - W, X, Y, Z - Club stationOblast identification by the 1st letter in a suffix (excluding Extrastations)M Chuyskaya oblast, Bishkek BishkekN Oshskaya oblast OshP Narynskaya oblast NarynQ Issyk-kul'skaya oblast PrzhevalskT Talasskaya oblast TalasV Dzhalal-Abadskaya oblast Dzhalal-Abad __________________________________________________ ________________________ Tadjikistan EY. =================EY1, 2, 3, 0 - In reserveSuffixes ZA - ZZ, ZAA - ZZZ - Club stationEY4 Gorno-Badakhshanskaya Autonomous Oblast KhorogEY5 Khatlonskaya oblast (region of Kulyab)EY6 Khatlonskaya oblast (region of Kurgan-Tyube)EY7 Leninabadskaya oblast KhodzhentEY8 DushanbeEY9 Nurek and Republican subordinate regions __________________________________________________ ________________________ Turkmenia EZ. =============EZ3 Akhalsky veloyatEZ4 Balkansky veloyatEZ5 Maryisky veloyatEZ6 Dashkhovuzsky veloyatEZ7 Lebapsky veloyatEZ8 AshgabadOne-letter suffixes Club stationOne-letter suffixes W,X,X,Z For special event licenses __________________________________________________ ________________________Uzbekistan UK================UK7, 8, 9UJ, UL, UM - In reserveSuffixes WA - ZZ Club stationU8 World War II veteransOblast identification by the 1st letter of a suffix:A TashkentB Tashkentskaya oblast TashkentC Kashkardar'inskaya oblast KarshiD Syrdar'inskaya oblast GulistanF Andizhanskaya oblast AndizhanG Ferganskaya oblast FerganaI Samarkandskaya oblast SamarkandL Bukharskaya oblast BukharaO Namanganskaya oblast NamanganQ Navoiyskaya oblast NavoiT Surkhandar'inskaya oblast TermezU Khorezmskaya oblast UrgenchV Dzhizakskaya oblast DzhizakZ Karakalpakia Nukus __________________________________________________ ________________________ Kazakhstan UN =============UN ordinary licensesUP For special event licensesSuffixes XA - XZ Emergency servicesUN1, UO, UQ In reserveOne-letter suffixes: Extra licenseTwo-letter suffixes: I CategoryThree-letter suffixes: 2, 3, 4 categoryOblast identification by the 1st letter of a suffix:A Mangistauskaya oblast MangistauB Akmolinskaya oblast AkmolinskC Severo-Kazakhstanskaya oblast PetropavlovskD Semipalatinskaya oblast SemipalatinskE Kokchetavskaya (Kokshetau) oblast KokchetavF Pavlodarskaya oblast PavlodarG Alma-Ata (Almaty)I Aktyubinskaya oblast AktyubinskJ Vostochno-Kazakhstanskaya oblast Ust' KamenogorskK Kzyl-Ordinskaya oblast Kzyl OrdaL Kustanayskaya oblast KustanayM Ural'skaya oblast UralskN Chimkentskaya oblast Chimkent(Shymkent)O Atyrauskaya oblast AtyrauP Karagandinskaya oblast KaragandaQ Alma-Atinskaya oblast Alma-Ata(Alamaty)R Dzhezkazganskaya oblast Dzhezkazgan (Zhezkazgan)S Leninsk (Baikonur)T Dzhambulskaya oblast Dzhambul(Zhambyl)V Taldy-Kurganskaya oblast Taldy-Kurgan (Taldykorgan)Y rgayskaya oblast Arkalyk __________________________________________________ ________________________ Ukraine UR-UY. ===============UR - UY ordinary licensesEM - EO For special event licensesUV, UW, UZ In reserveU5 World War II veteransTwo-letter suffixes: I CategoryThree-letter suffixes: 2, 3, 4 CategiriesSecond letter of a suffix: W, X, Y, Z - Club stationsUU1-8J, UU0J Crimea (KR) SimferopolUU9J Sevastopol (SL)Oblast identification by the 1st letter of a suffix:A Sumskaya oblast (SU) SumyB Ternopolskaya oblast (TE) TernopolC Cherkasskaya oblast (CH) CherkassyD Zakarpatskaya oblast (ZA) UzhgorodE Dnepropetrovskaya oblast (DN) DnepropetrovskF Odesskaya oblast (OD) OdessaG Khersonskaya oblast (HE) KhersonH Poltavskaya oblast (PO) PoltavaI Donetskaya oblast (DO) DonetskK Rovenskaya oblast (RI) Rovno (Rivno)L Kharkovskaya oblast (HA) KharkovM Luganskaya oblast (LU) LuganskN Vinnitskaya oblast (VI) VinnitsaP Volynskaya oblast (VO) LutskQ Zaporozhskaya oblast (ZP) ZaporozhieR Chernigovskaya oblast (CR) ChernigovS Ivano-Frankovskaya oblast (IF) Ivano-Frankovsk (Ivano-Frankivsk)T Khmelnitskaya oblast (HM) KhmelnitskyU Kievskaya oblast (KO) KievU Kiev (KV)V Kirovogradskaya oblast (KI) KirovogradW Lvovskaya oblast (LV) Lvov (Lviv)X Zhitomirskaya oblast (ZH) ZhitomirY Chernovitskaya oblast (CN) ChernovtsyZ Nikolaevskaya oblast (NI) Nikolaev __________________________________________________ ________________________ Azerbaijan 4J. 4K. ====================4J, 4K1, 0 For special event licenses and foreign amateurs.Suffixes AWA - ZZZ Club station AAA - ZVZ 2, 3 Category AA - ZZ 1 Category A - Z Extra licenses4J2, 4K2 Nakhichevan'4J4-9, 4K4-9 Baku city4J3, 4K3 Azerbaijan territories excluding Baku and Nakhichevan' __________________________________________________ ________________________ Georgia 4L. ==============4L1, 4L4, 4L6, 4L7, 4L0 ordinary licenses2, 3, 5, 8, 9 In reserveOne-letter suffiz Extra licenses |
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writes: So you could just look at a callsign and know which state the ham was in. Aw, gee, Jim, that isn't nearly complicated enough. Yeah - what was I thinking? You gotta get it down to the country level at least, preferably the city or township level. Naw. Grid squares! The control freaks would like something like the old convoluted USSR system. If you knew a guys call sign, the system was almost detailed enough to use for targeting ICBMs. See below. Riley Hollingsworth could just dial in your call sign, and a boomer sub off the coast of New Jersey would target a tomahawk with the violation notice attached to the nosecone. There's a way to spend the peace dividend! (remember that?) I can just see it now ---- "Hey, K4CAP, your stations RF Exposure Evaluation appears to need updating. Please report when you have completed the required survey." bwaahaahaa It sure would make SS, county-hunting and such a bit easier, though. TERRITORIES, PREFIXES AND SUFFIXES OF THE FORMER USSR. (snipped due to length) Did those guys have a fixation for bureaucracy or what? Or maybe their DF capabilites were very limited. And don't forget RAEM 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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In article , (Steve Robeson K4YZ) writes: KH2D, who has *been there* says differently. See his posts on the subject. I read it. He refered to "CBers" with Amateur licenses. He did not specify that ther were licenses obtained from VE exams held at foreign hamfests. Sounded to me like "locals"... Unless I'm mistaken, only an Extra can be a VE that gives Extra exams. So you have a chicken-and-egg scenario about how such a setup could get started. There's nothing "chicken and egg" about it. We were discussing off shore US Amateur Radio exams. Jim chimed in about "CBer's with Extra licenses" on Guam, but not a word about them being FOREIGNERS, which is what I was addressing. Neither you, the other Jim nor Hans have provided a single bit of evidence that the tests administered OFF SHORE (in my definition meaning not conducted under the US flag, regardless if on US soil, an embassy or US military installation) has been done so inappropriately. And I said that if he didn't get the desired results, he should push it with DoJ. And they would do what? It's an offense committed outside US territory and US jurisdiction, unless it's at an embassy or similar place. It would, hopefully, get the licenses of the offenders revoked thereby depriving them of the basic premise for them BEING a VE, Jim. No US tickee no US testee. OK G.I.? Yet we HAVE had more than a small number of VE test session right here in the US that WERE just that (license for sale). I am sure there have been cases of fines, but in most cases, revocation of of licensure for both "licensee" and "examiner" was the only penalty enforced. And a US citizen cannot use a foreign amateur license in the USA. So the penalty is much tougher on them. That's not the point. Sure it is. No, it's not. The whole thread was initiated by Hans' lamentation over US exams being conducted overseas. US licenses being used by foreigners...Not foreign licenses being used by Americans. You brought up how to enforce regulations on foreign Amateurs who may allow some misconduct in the performance of a VE session. And the answer is... Determine wrongdoing (if any) by that Amateur and revoke his/her license. No US tickee, no US testee. OK, G.I.? No where did I say ANYthing about using a foreign license in the United States. What I DID say was that in VE session right here at home, conducted by Americans, the "most" penalties usually enforced are license revocation of both the licensee and the "examiner". Are you suggesting any GREATER penalty on a foreigner who commits the same crime? Do you dispute this fact? Cool down and think about the main point: I'm perfectly cool, Jim. I'm wondering how YOU are going from Hans' lamentations over US tests being conducted overseas to this being a discussion about Americans being able to use foreign licenses here. THAT was specifically codified in Part 97 as a no-no. No debate. Against the rules. Period. Besides the fact that it's just plain wrong, hams who live in US territory have two reasons not to cheat as VEs: 1) If they're caught, they could face fines and even jail time Uh huh...And how many VE's caught cheating have so far FACED jail time, 2) If they're caught, they could lose their FCC licenses, which means no ham radio on US territory, and maybe none at all. Ever. American licensees HAVE lost their licenses for cheating. So far just A nonresident alien with both a foreeign and US license doesn't face the same possible consequences. A non-resident alien DOES face the same consequences as US Amateurs...Revocation of licensure....Just like the others who HAVE lost their tickets, Jim. OK...then send a copy of the document to me and I'd be glad to sign on as a co-sponsor. But right now there's not much to argue with since what's going on appears to be legal and there's no other legal precedent for the FCC to say "No, We won't accept license applications from non-resident foreign nationals". Don't need a precedent. Sure you do. Why would the government revoke ANY privilege unless there was some misconduct or abuse of that privilege? Because they think it's not a good thing for the ARS, or for radio in general. Look at the multiple choice code tests - they were eliminated as part of the 2000 restructuring after many years of use - because hams complained that they weren't doing the job. Stop. Go back and read what I said previously and what YOU just wrote, Jim. Your own example examplifies MY point, Jim...there were COMPLAINTS. The Federal Government did not spontaneously decide to remove the test format. Allow me to reiterate uncase your scrollback isn't working: But right now there's not much to argue with since what's going on appears to be legal and there's no other legal precedent for the FCC to say "No, We won't accept license applications from non-resident foreign nationals". Don't need a precedent. Sure you do. Why would the government revoke ANY privilege unless there was some misconduct or abuse of that privilege? "Why would the government revoke ANY privilege unless there was some misconduct or abuse of that privilege". While you can argue the choice of words "misconduct" or "abuse" when applied to the multiple choice format, Jim, there as certainly no move afooot by the FCC to change it until there was a precedent (complaints) from the field to do so. If you force THAT issue, then "they" can adequately argue that there are even far greater abuses right here at home and the whole program goes out the window! So? Proof of discrimination, Jim. To act against them where no evidence of misconduct exists is discrimination. Why? If it's someone "new", they will have never known any other way...and I specifically stated that all those already licensed would not be forced to make any changes. Because the new folks would be subject to conditions that the existing hams didn't face. Amateurs getting licnesed today do not face the same conditions you and I faced 20-30 years ago, Jim. New licensees would not face any revocation of service they previously enjoyed. Old licensees would keep their old calls. Big deal. The FCC continues to offer the different "Group" callsigns, but if the licensee wants a call other than what was issued, they pony up the change...No more "sequential" calls other than the 2x3 they were issued. hooboy Why? Do you walk up to Burger King and just take the food? Fee-for-service is the way of the future if we continue to enact tax cuts. How much service is required to issue a sequential callsign? Enough that the FCC has, on several occassions, demanded to know why a particular licensee made several license changes within specific time frames. If it was no big deal, why would they fuss? As a matter of fact...I often wonder why they fuss over frequent Vanity changes...It's the one thing they ARE getting paid for, and the fee charged far exceeds the expected outlay of materials and manpower to accomplish. If some idiot has more money than common sense and wants to change his call every three months...let him. He paid for it. And no one looking for a 2-land call would wind up working someone in PA! Is that *really* such a problem? Many of the rarest states are in call districts that contain a lot of states, so even if that rule were reenacted the hunt is only slightly reduced. Jim...have you worked so many that you forgot this one basic premise of award hunting? Until it's worked and confirmed, they are ALL "rare"...! ! ! How about we make it even easier: Carve up the callsign blocks into state-specific ones so you could tell which exact state someone was in just from the call. For example, in the 3rd call district, all calls with an M, R or Y in the suffix could be restricted to Maryland only, all calls with D, E or L could be restricted to Delaware, and all the rest would go to PA. (Adjust as needed for population variation) So you could just look at a callsign and know which state the ham was in. Been nipping the cooking sherry a bit, have we, Jim...??? "dadididadit didididadah" takes about 1 second extra at 20WPM. Big deal. It is when you do it a couple thousand times in a weekend. Then how do you account for guys with "longer" calls that manage to do pretty well in the contests, Jim? Would I have to pay the fee to get a 3 land call? What did I say? What if all the 3-land 1x2s are gone? Ominus Feces Occurum. There'd be 3-laders living in FL and other places force to give up their "out-of-dictrict" calls too. Right. Somebody who's been a ham for 60+ years and held the same call, then moved to SFL 15 years ago would have to give it up or sign portable. Thanks a lot. Oh well...How many "desireable" 3 calls are in FL, Jim? The actual cost of the licensing program would go down since the FCC would no longer be issuing tons of "sequential" callsigns gratis, and fees collected would go up since you couldn't get any other format of call without ponying up the change to do so. Issuing sequentials costs almost nothing because the computer simply spits them out automatically. Still costs time to attend the computer, input the data, and pay for the actual forms and postage. No more time than the basic modification. Which are free anyway. "Free" to you. It still costs the FCC per-item processed. How's this for example: "Where a change of address is requested and no other change of callsign would be required due to location within the same call district, attaching a copy of the letter of notification sent to the Commission to the original station records shall be considered adequate. A change of address on the original license document will be reflected upon the next routine renewal or paid license transaction." No good. FCC is supposed to know how to contact licensees. That's why they need some sort of current address. I didn't say "don't send it in", Jim. I said attach a copy to your original station documents. You'd still send it in, and the FCC could update their records. They just wouldn't necessarily sned out a new document with each and every modification. They can find your transmitter by DF ing, but to send you a letter they need an address. Or at least a PO box. Uh huh. And what I proposed changed...what...??? and the fees would go up since they were no longer issuing (save for the initial call) gratis licenses. And the FCC would be getting paid to process what extra paperwork they DID receive. But do vanity fees go to FCC or to the general fund? Again, Jim, you're the one suggesting changes... I'm pointing out that your proposed changes would increase admin work that serves "no regulatory purpose". Making my search for WAS easier isn't FCC's job. No, it's not. But under your system, it no longer matters where the licensee is. So let's stop issuing a "6" call to Californians and "0" to Minnesotans, 4 to Tennesseeans, etc...Just start at KC1AAA (or wherever they are in the current sequential system) and keep on going until they get to WZ1ZZZ. Then start with KD2AAA and go to WZ2ZZZ, etc etc etc until we get to WZ0ZZZ, regardless of whether they are in Bangor Maine or Irvine, California. It doesn't matter, right...??? 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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