K=D8HB wrote:
wrote

Like I been saying . . .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4115761.stm

"By the end of the decade, a global independent
satellite navigation system, under civil control, will
be available to all."

but..... but..... Brain said it's supposed to be a "weapons
system"!?!?

He specializes in cluelessness and being bass ackward. Along with a few
others around here. Fact is that GPS has grown far beyond it's original
design purpose and into another example of the old "swords into
plowshares" phenomenon Micollis likes to cite. Back when integrated
circuit chips were developed as part of the 1960s race for the moon
there were nitwits who wanted them kept secret for "national security
purposes". Flat Earth Society mindsets.

Not to worry, the Shrub will send up some B58's to bomb them out of
the sky.

The Russsians and the Chinese would would "get up in arms" if anything
like that went down. literally. Since they'll own big pieces of our
beloved "GPS weapons system".
dit dit

Right on.=20
=20
de Hans, K0HB

w3rv

Homer wrote:
"The Shrub" as you call him is entirely right in what he does as
commander-in-chief, no where in the CFRs nor the Constitution is
there an
implied right that GPS belongs to all the peoples of the world.
The system was funded with DOD monies and is used by the general
public at
the discretion of the controlling agency, namely the U.S. Air Force.

Homer I have a couple clues for you. Those "DoD monies" came from us
taxpayers. The Constitution sez that anything the military does with
OUR money in this country is ultimately done under the command and
control of us taxpayers via our representatives in Congress, the Oval
Office and in the courts. In other words it's US who "own" the GPS
system, NOT the USAF. GPS has proven to have a huge range of public
benefits which is why the USAF is being relieved of command of the
system and is why it's being moved into the public domain. Globally.

The Shrub doesn't undestand a lotta things. GPS is one, Arabs is
another . .


I guess everyone will have to negivate the way it was done for many
years by
map and compass.

Nah, I liked the GPS rcvr I carried when I flitting around in my
ultralight 14-15 years ago. I didn't worry about any maps, compasses or
any of that old crap, all I had to do to get back to the rwy was tap
the "get home" button and keep the LCD needle centered.


If Kerry ("The Idiot") was in office he would most certainly do the
same
thing in the same situation.

So quit bitchin' and go buy a compass and topograpical map to find
out where
in hell you are at.

duh! Homer

"Duh" is right . . connect some dots dude.



"K=D8HB" wrote in message
k.net...
A friend sent me the link below. At first I thought it had to be an
April
Fool joke, but apparently The Shrub really IS that stupid!


http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...lites.html?ex=
=3D1104168601&ei=3D1&en=3D4e6b58c489759881
w3rv

K=D8HB wrote:
wrote

Like I been saying . . .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4115761.stm

"By the end of the decade, a global independent
satellite navigation system, under civil control, will
be available to all."

but..... but..... Brain said it's supposed to be a "weapons
system"!?!?

Not to worry, the Shrub will send up some B58's to bomb them out of
the sky.

dit dit

de Hans, K0HB

Here's another piece of it: It has taken *bloody forever* for the FAA
to finally even alow GPS to be used for navigation in the skies. I was
using it before before my hangermate who had a nice old Cessna 140 was
allowed to have a GPS xvcr anywhere in the 140 during flight ops never
mind in his panel. I was legal because my ultralight was not a
certificated A/C, his 140 is certificated. Somebody had to be on the
leading edge. Heh. Thus it was in the early 1990s.

It's all changed now. Commercial GPS airliner navigation has enormous
implications as they relate to a reduction in fuel consumption and
flight durations. Has to do with the airliners FINALLY being able to
get off the twisted 1930s Victor airways system and it's archaic and
expensive-to-maintain FAA ground-mounted electronic waypoints, omnis,
VORs, etc. and instead fly point-to-point via GPS. I'm rattling on too
much here.

It's happening, precision GPS is coming to the airline biz, bye-bye
omnis, FAA jobs, whatever. It's all about money.

Let's say that at some given moment a few years out after GPS has
become the nav aid of choice and that there are 20 airliners jammed
with citizens on final in cruddy WX and some intellectual giant like
Rumsfeld shuts off the pieces of GPS the pilots are using to find the
runway . .

w3rv

wrote

It's happening, precision GPS is coming to the airline biz,
bye-bye omnis, FAA jobs, whatever.

My daughter and her husband farm about 2,200 acres of corn and beans in western
Minnesota. Their combines, fertilizer spreaders, planters, etc., are all GPS
equipped. As the crop is harvested the combine keeps a yield-vs-GPS-location as
it passes across the field. Next spring that data is networked to the
fertilizer and planting rigs who compare it to last years settings and their
rates are adjusted on-the-fly to optimize the yield down to a 2-meter
resolution. Interesting that some idiots here had the loopy idea to turn that
system off once in awhile just for grins --- military weapons system and all
that, doncha know!

73, de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
wrote

It's happening, precision GPS is coming to the airline biz,
bye-bye omnis, FAA jobs, whatever.

My daughter and her husband farm about 2,200 acres of corn and beans
in western
Minnesota. Their combines, fertilizer spreaders, planters, etc., are
all GPS
equipped. As the crop is harvested the combine keeps a
yield-vs-GPS-location as
it passes across the field. Next spring that data is networked to
the
fertilizer and planting rigs who compare it to last years settings
and their
rates are adjusted on-the-fly to optimize the yield down to a 2-meter

resolution.

Neat! KF2TI just tossed out those realities in detail, he thee and me
have it right. Imagine what the red/blue map would look like after the
a presidential election if any incumbent candidate CIC had screwed
around with our breadbasket.

Interesting that some idiots here had the loopy idea to turn that
system off once in awhile just for grins --- military weapons system
and all
that, doncha know!
rec.radio.amateur.pinheads . .=20

=20
73, de Hans, K0HB

w3rv

"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote


I DARE you to find and cite a single post where I, or anyone ELSE, has
suggested making GPS unavailable for non-military applications "just for
grins".


Your newfound sycophant (or is that psycho-fan) Billy Beeper made the following
"just for grins" suggestion:

"Maybe the USA needs to hold a "Have to get along without
GPS Day!" It would be nice if it were simultaneous with our
Independance Day. Remind the moochers of the world of
the benefits they accept so freely."

Politics indeed makes strange bedfellows. It's almost surreal seeing you and
Brian suddenly snuggled together lovey-dovey vainly trying to defend this whacko
notion.

3s, de Hans, K0HB

Once the EPA claims that agriculture fertilizer, pesticide, and
herbicide are point source pollutions, and the farmer has to obtain a
permit to apply no more than the minimum to produce an acceptable crop,
then GPS driven applications will appear very affordable.

It's really too bad that Han's expects me to "march lock step" with him
because I have disagreed so much with Steve in the past.

When something is wrong, it's just wrong. And that's what Hans
statement was; wrong.

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