In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

robert casey wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

I see that the FCC is not anticipating any changes in the Morse code
licensing requirements before 2006.

Is ther eanyone that has deferred getting a General or above
license because they thought Element one was going to go away soon?

If so, Has it been worth the wait?


Way back when (in 1976) I learned around 7 WPM and
passed a 5WPM code test down at an FCC field office.
And I'm not that good at such tasks. Took about
6 weeks to learn the code to 7WPM. So you can
start today on the code, and probably be able to
pass the code test and have the upgrade or first license
of general or extra grade and get on HF. And you'll
have it 2 months from now instead of a year or more from
now. HF is a lot of fun, and is quite different from
2 meter FM. So, like that sneaker company that paid
the basketball superstar more than their entire payroll
of their Vietnam factory, "Just do it".

I've been trying to get that message out for some time now.

You should have gone on the NTS for such a message...

When I
first became a Ham in 1999, there were some that told me to hang on
because the Morse requirement was going away soon.

When I got a commercial license in 1956, some of the hams I
knew then were all saying morsemanship is the "ultimate skill"
for amateurs, therefore one "must" take a morse test for an
amateur radio license.

Some 48 years later a bunch of morsemen in here keep saying
all radio amateurs "must' take a morse test to "prove their
dedication (or whatever) to the ham community." :-)

In 1958 a bunch of hams I knew then were all outraged and
almost frothing at the mouth (latte' was not yet in vogue) about
those damn "civilians" not having to take a morse test to get on HF
for Class D CB! :-) That was 46 years ago. A few years later the
CB license needs were eliminated.

Over 5 years later,
and nothing has changed. If I would have waited until it goes away, I
would be waiting at least 7 years, and I wouldn't take bets on it going
away even then.

Morsemanship FOREVER!

Some morsemen won't allow their code keys to be taken from
their cold, dead fingers even after they've assumed ambient temps.

All them morsehams MUST prove their "dedication" to the hamcause,
ya see.

The morsemen had to test, so, by all the powers above, *ALL* hams
have to do it when they enter. If they don't, they aren't "real" hams.

So...51 years after I first fired up on HF all them morsehams keep
saying all them newcomers MUST take a morsetest to get on HF.

Some of those hams are "spiral cut" but that applies only to their
sorry excuse for mental emotion.

What I *would* make bets on is that the anticipated "instant
elimination* thinking that was going around since the treaty requirement
went away have done more to dampen the ranks of new advanced level hams
than the retention of Morse code.

So...now you've got this "instant gratification" thing going again?

Tsk. Over half a century past I never bothered with "advancing via
morse" and went ahead and got into the electronic industry for a
career...and retired (from regular hours, that is) in it.

You read the ARRL newsletter and what the ARRL says is pure
100% Gospel. "No changes in morse requirement." Yeah, right.

ARRL still hasn't gotten more than a quarter of U.S. amateur licensees
in membership. They don't reflect any majority.

Yup, Just DO it!

Why? Jump through old hoops because you jumped through old
hoops?

Ech.

Len Over 21 wrote:


So...now you've got this "instant gratification" thing going again?

Yes sir! Just like you have your thing going again. Does my posting offend?

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

So...now you've got this "instant gratification" thing going again?

Yes sir! Just like you have your thing going again.

My "thing" has been "going" all the while...no problems. :-)

So has this ridiculous "necessity" of amateur radio to pass a morse
test in order to "qualify" for HF privileges for over a half century.

A mere 51 years I did not even have to pass any special test to
operate an HF transmitter outputting more power than any ham
is supposed to have (in 1953 that was 15 KW from the old Press
Wireless transmitters, went to 40 KW with the Collins rigs of
1955). No morse test needed. Didn't even have the MOS for
Fixed Station Transmitters, was MOS for microwave radio relay.

But, in 2004, U.S. radio amateurs MUST still pass a morse test
to "qualify" for operating an amateur radio transmitter on HF. No
other radio service (other than certain Maritime radio services)
require morsemanship testing.

Does my posting offend?

No, not me personally. I AM "offended" by the self-righteous hams
who insist (and some demand) that the morse test MUST remain
as if it is some kind of importance to "the service." This is the new
millennium, not some olde-tyme raddio where the "operators" sit
around with eye shades and sleeve garters while keying their bugs
and sideswipers and thinking they are Very Important or something.

Amateur radio is a HOBBY activity. Always was, and probably always
will be since the rest of the world can jolly well get on with life without
all those amateur hobbyists to Save The Planet from whatever.

If that morse test is so absolutely "needed," then the definition of the
ARS should be changed in Part 97 to "Archaic Radiotelegraphy
Service" for the USA.

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


So...now you've got this "instant gratification" thing going again?

Yes sir! Just like you have your thing going again.


My "thing" has been "going" all the while...no problems. :-)

Okay, good enough.

So has this ridiculous "necessity" of amateur radio to pass a morse
test in order to "qualify" for HF privileges for over a half century.



A mere 51 years I did not even have to pass any special test to
operate an HF transmitter outputting more power than any ham
is supposed to have (in 1953 that was 15 KW from the old Press
Wireless transmitters, went to 40 KW with the Collins rigs of
1955). No morse test needed. Didn't even have the MOS for
Fixed Station Transmitters, was MOS for microwave radio relay.

Did you just walk in off the street and operate the transmitters with
no instruction, training, or supervision?

But, in 2004, U.S. radio amateurs MUST still pass a morse test
to "qualify" for operating an amateur radio transmitter on HF. No
other radio service (other than certain Maritime radio services)
require morsemanship testing.

Yes, that is pretty much the case.


Does my posting offend?


No, not me personally. I AM "offended" by the self-righteous hams
who insist (and some demand) that the morse test MUST remain
as if it is some kind of importance to "the service."

That isn't me though. If and when the requirement goes away, I'll go on
like before. Some Hams think *everything* is the death of Ham radio. I
think it is creeping cronyism, the ability of middle aged and up males
to become incredibly angry with small things, and to make giant leaps of
connectivity between things.

My whole point is that if you want to be a Ham with HF access at this
time, that is a hoop you have to jump through.


This is the new
millennium, not some olde-tyme raddio where the "operators" sit
around with eye shades and sleeve garters while keying their bugs
and sideswipers and thinking they are Very Important or something.

I always liked that look! 8^)


Amateur radio is a HOBBY activity. Always was, and probably always
will be since the rest of the world can jolly well get on with life without
all those amateur hobbyists to Save The Planet from whatever.

If that morse test is so absolutely "needed," then the definition of the
ARS should be changed in Part 97 to "Archaic Radiotelegraphy
Service" for the USA.

No need to fixate on the Morse code test.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

So...now you've got this "instant gratification" thing going again?

Yes sir! Just like you have your thing going again.

My "thing" has been "going" all the while...no problems. :-)

Okay, good enough.

"Good enough?" :-)

So has this ridiculous "necessity" of amateur radio to pass a morse
test in order to "qualify" for HF privileges for over a half century.

A mere 51 years I did not even have to pass any special test to
operate an HF transmitter outputting more power than any ham
is supposed to have (in 1953 that was 15 KW from the old Press
Wireless transmitters, went to 40 KW with the Collins rigs of
1955). No morse test needed. Didn't even have the MOS for
Fixed Station Transmitters, was MOS for microwave radio relay.

Did you just walk in off the street and operate the transmitters with
no instruction, training, or supervision?

There were no "streets" on Tsukishima Island in Tokyo in the 1950s.
Those were eventually put in when both the USA and USAF vacated
the island by the 1960s.

We didn't "walk in" either since the billet was a half hour shuttle bus
trip from the transmitter station prior to assignment. Seven months of
Signal School were completed in Fort Monmouth...but that was only
on very basics of HF receivers-transmitters since the majority of that
MOS's school was on microwave radio relay and most of those were
using pulse code modulation (principally pulse-position modulation).

The intended microwave radio relay system hadn't arrived yet and
would not be there until the next year...and the only schooling we
got was a super-condensed two-week formal course taught by the
two General Electric field engineers stuck in their civilian assignment.
[Army Signal Office didn't give the commercial GE equipment a
military designation until 1955] The Korean War had interrupted a
few more permanent installation intentions and this was one of them.

When IN the military, one does what one is told to do. Period. You
either know your basics or you don't. If you don't you get re-assigned
and the re-assignment is not negotiable. So, us microwave types
got less than a one day of informal instruction, some real hands-on
training by the NCOIC (Non-Commissioned Officer In Charge) and
left the rest up to the "trick chief" (team supervisor, usually E-5, and
there were four teams on a rotating schedule). Gene Rosenbaum,
N2JTV, was assigned there about a month before I was and assigned
to another team, same duties.

There really isn't a lot of smarts necessary to tune up a 1940s era
transmitter, whether 1 KW or 15 KW. All the finals were tube type
and it was "dip the plate, peak the grid" kind of thing after peaking
the driver stages. Always, always, always remember to neutralize
that final...all of which seemed to be push-pull power triode things.
We had an 833 bottle on a stand at the central control console
where failure to neutralize on a QSY caused plate overheating which
in turn softened the glass envelope until air pushed in and caused
all the overload relay and breakers in that transmitter to trip. Radio
circuit went dead and such outage is a definite NO-NO when the
assignment is to maintain communications 24/7.

Transmitters, per se, were not the complicated things to operate
besides being 7 feet tall with lethal voltages inside. The FSK
exciters for the RTTY radio circuits needed to be fine-tuned even
though they had quartz crystal control. That proceedure needed
the distant receiver site to tune up on the carrier and send a zero
beat over the telephone circuit, then apply Fox Test keying and
adjust the "spread" or Space frequency for as close to 850 cycles
as possible (carrier zero beat was on Mark frequency) using an
ears-only audio beat with a standard 850 cycle loudspeaker tone.
Receivers frequency standards would then measure everything
again and put it on the order-wire (dedicated TTY loop) shared
with us and Control. If Control liked the numbers, they would
remove the Fox Test and put "traffic" on it...if not, they would
ask all to do it again. We rarely repeated anything. Each team
would do anywhere from 6 to 12 QSYs per shift (approximate) on
the RTTY circuits. We also had preset-tuned SSB transmitters
which QSYed in a minute, replacing the most cranky of SSB
stuff designed before WW2. A full QSY, from order-wire notification
to frequency standards okay, took 3 to 4 minutes with RTTY.

At the Tuskushima Island site, primary AC power depended on
commercial Japanese 50-cycle input. That tended to be erratic
and at least one power outage happened each week. When that
happened, the single power man in the diesel generator wing had
to get at least 350 KWe supplied and the team on duty had to
check out every single "up" transmitter all over again. Frequency
standards went into a tizzy because they had to check out every
single frequency to make sure it was where it was supposed to be.
That meant an average of 30 different radio circuits with 30 different
carriers and different modulations. Control had to hop and tell the
torn tape relay crew to reset all the p-tapes on the transmitting
distributors...which involved at least a 100 different TTY p-tape
machines. A mere 5-minute outage would result in losing over
two hours total traffic capability. NOT good...but we didn't get
chewed for something not our fault. The newer Kashiwa site had
its own 600 KWe generators and we were spared those damn
power outages.

NONE of what I described was taught in Signal School, not even
for Field Radio MOSs (which required morsemanship ability even
if it wasn't used in the field in Korea). It could all be "taught" by
laying hands on the working equipment and doing it like the
sergeants described how to do it.

If anyone knew more than basics of electronics/radio, they got up-
graded, perhaps transferred to the VHF and UHF radio relay which
used frequency-multiplexed audio handling 4 voice channels per
radio circuit. None of that was taught to microwave MOSs so we
learned how on-the-job, verbally and by the TMs (Technical Manuals)
which were excellent then on giving theory of How Things Work
from a practical operations perspaective. Those of us who kept our
minds open, willing to learn, had a wonderful opportunity to see how
the Big Time in communications of the 1950s operated and stayed
operating. When the TTY traffic is 220,000 messages a month, it
IS the big time...and the station I was assigned to was only the 3rd
largest in the Army Command and Administrative Network (ACAN).

No, we didn't just "walk in from the street" and start in. We were
told what to do by those who actually did it, and most of those would
explain more detail and theory if one really showed an interest. After
three years on that assignment I had a wonderful crash course in
real HF radio plus the beginning of microwaves and wound up an E-5
doing some of the explaining of procedure and theory behind it all.
Wouldn't have missed it for the world, even with the threat of WW3
hanging around for everyone to get nervous about.


But, in 2004, U.S. radio amateurs MUST still pass a morse test
to "qualify" for operating an amateur radio transmitter on HF. No
other radio service (other than certain Maritime radio services)
require morsemanship testing.

Yes, that is pretty much the case.

WHY is that? There's no real reason for keeping that old test in
there.

All that morse test satisfies is the egos of the olde-tyme hammes
who will never have to take another morse test in their lives (if they
renew on-time). THEY had to do it so everyone else MUST do so.
Ptui.


My whole point is that if you want to be a Ham with HF access at this
time, that is a hoop you have to jump through.

Fine. Be a lemming or sheep.

I'm just advocating a change in the radio regulations. Without any
personal needs, desires, or ego. I don't need any Titles or Status
or a bunch of alphanumerics to "sign behind or in front of my name.

Been there, done that a long time ago, and a little while ago (early
this year), all without any legal requirement to pass some morse test.


If that morse test is so absolutely "needed," then the definition of the
ARS should be changed in Part 97 to "Archaic Radiotelegraphy
Service" for the USA.

No need to fixate on the Morse code test.

Then why DO you?

Why do you wish to CONTROL newcomers by keeping that morse
test? Folks will think you have a Hoop Holder complex, somebody
trying to be a guru or knowitall about "radio."

If someone LIKES morse code operations, fine say I let them do
their thing. But, to keep on enforcing an antiquated regulation
necessity about taking a morse test is, to me, downright stupid.

There's lots more to amateur radio than trying to recreate the 1920s
and 1930s "pioneering days" by keeping old, out-of-date tests.

Happy New Year on this last day of the 4th year into the new
millennium...

Lenof21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

So...now you've got this "instant gratification" thing going
again?

Yes sir! Just like you have your thing going again.

My "thing" has been "going" all the while...no problems. :-)

Okay, good enough.

"Good enough?" :-)

Good enough, indeed!

I wonder what Mikes "war" contributions were?

So has this ridiculous "necessity" of amateur radio to pass a
morse
test in order to "qualify" for HF privileges for over a half
century.

A mere 51 years I did not even have to pass any special test to
operate an HF transmitter outputting more power than any ham
is supposed to have (in 1953 that was 15 KW from the old Press
Wireless transmitters, went to 40 KW with the Collins rigs of
1955). No morse test needed. Didn't even have the MOS for
Fixed Station Transmitters, was MOS for microwave radio relay.

Did you just walk in off the street and operate the transmitters
with
no instruction, training, or supervision?

There were no "streets" on Tsukishima Island in Tokyo in the
1950s.
Those were eventually put in when both the USA and USAF vacated
the island by the 1960s.

Damned USAF. Always trying to find a civilized way to do sumptin.

We didn't "walk in" either since the billet was a half hour
shuttle bus
trip from the transmitter station prior to assignment.

Shush! We'll have none of this no point A, point B nonsense.

Transmitting sites are always wherever you happen to be.

Seven months of
Signal School were completed in Fort Monmouth...but that was only
on very basics of HF receivers-transmitters since the majority of
that
MOS's school was on microwave radio relay and most of those were
using pulse code modulation (principally pulse-position
modulation).

Len, dammit, none of this pulse crappola. It was either CW or it was
RTTY. Doan confuse us widda facts.

The intended microwave radio relay system hadn't arrived yet and
would not be there until the next year...and the only schooling we
got was a super-condensed two-week formal course taught by the
two General Electric field engineers stuck in their civilian
assignment.
[Army Signal Office didn't give the commercial GE equipment a
military designation until 1955] The Korean War had interrupted a
few more permanent installation intentions and this was one of
them.

When IN the military, one does what one is told to do. Period.
You
either know your basics or you don't. If you don't you get
re-assigned
and the re-assignment is not negotiable. So, us microwave types
got less than a one day of informal instruction, some real
hands-on
training by the NCOIC (Non-Commissioned Officer In Charge) and
left the rest up to the "trick chief" (team supervisor, usually
E-5, and
there were four teams on a rotating schedule). Gene Rosenbaum,
N2JTV, was assigned there about a month before I was and assigned
to another team, same duties.

There really isn't a lot of smarts necessary to tune up a 1940s
era
transmitter, whether 1 KW or 15 KW. All the finals were tube type
and it was "dip the plate, peak the grid" kind of thing after
peaking
the driver stages. Always, always, always remember to neutralize
that final...all of which seemed to be push-pull power triode
things.
We had an 833 bottle on a stand at the central control console
where failure to neutralize on a QSY caused plate overheating
which
in turn softened the glass envelope until air pushed in and caused
all the overload relay and breakers in that transmitter to trip.
Radio
circuit went dead and such outage is a definite NO-NO when the
assignment is to maintain communications 24/7.

Transmitters, per se, were not the complicated things to operate
besides being 7 feet tall with lethal voltages inside. The FSK
exciters for the RTTY radio circuits needed to be fine-tuned even
though they had quartz crystal control. That proceedure needed
the distant receiver site to tune up on the carrier and send a
zero
beat over the telephone circuit, then apply Fox Test keying and
adjust the "spread" or Space frequency for as close to 850 cycles
as possible (carrier zero beat was on Mark frequency) using an
ears-only audio beat with a standard 850 cycle loudspeaker tone.
Receivers frequency standards would then measure everything
again and put it on the order-wire (dedicated TTY loop) shared
with us and Control. If Control liked the numbers, they would
remove the Fox Test and put "traffic" on it...if not, they would
ask all to do it again. We rarely repeated anything. Each team
would do anywhere from 6 to 12 QSYs per shift (approximate) on
the RTTY circuits. We also had preset-tuned SSB transmitters
which QSYed in a minute, replacing the most cranky of SSB
stuff designed before WW2. A full QSY, from order-wire
notification
to frequency standards okay, took 3 to 4 minutes with RTTY.

At the Tuskushima Island site, primary AC power depended on
commercial Japanese 50-cycle input. That tended to be erratic
and at least one power outage happened each week. When that
happened, the single power man in the diesel generator wing had
to get at least 350 KWe supplied and the team on duty had to
check out every single "up" transmitter all over again. Frequency
standards went into a tizzy because they had to check out every
single frequency to make sure it was where it was supposed to be.
That meant an average of 30 different radio circuits with 30
different
carriers and different modulations. Control had to hop and tell
the
torn tape relay crew to reset all the p-tapes on the transmitting
distributors...which involved at least a 100 different TTY p-tape
machines. A mere 5-minute outage would result in losing over
two hours total traffic capability. NOT good...but we didn't get
chewed for something not our fault. The newer Kashiwa site had
its own 600 KWe generators and we were spared those damn
power outages.

NONE of what I described was taught in Signal School, not even
for Field Radio MOSs (which required morsemanship ability even
if it wasn't used in the field in Korea). It could all be
"taught" by
laying hands on the working equipment and doing it like the
sergeants described how to do it.

If anyone knew more than basics of electronics/radio, they got up-
graded, perhaps transferred to the VHF and UHF radio relay which
used frequency-multiplexed audio handling 4 voice channels per
radio circuit. None of that was taught to microwave MOSs so we
learned how on-the-job, verbally and by the TMs (Technical
Manuals)
which were excellent then on giving theory of How Things Work
from a practical operations perspaective. Those of us who kept
our
minds open, willing to learn, had a wonderful opportunity to see
how
the Big Time in communications of the 1950s operated and stayed
operating. When the TTY traffic is 220,000 messages a month, it
IS the big time...and the station I was assigned to was only the
3rd
largest in the Army Command and Administrative Network (ACAN).

No, we didn't just "walk in from the street" and start in. We
were
told what to do by those who actually did it, and most of those
would
explain more detail and theory if one really showed an interest.
After
three years on that assignment I had a wonderful crash course in
real HF radio plus the beginning of microwaves and wound up an E-5
doing some of the explaining of procedure and theory behind it
all.
Wouldn't have missed it for the world, even with the threat of WW3
hanging around for everyone to get nervous about.

Stoppit, dammit, stoppit!!!

I'm just sick and tired of you tellin' it like it was. The truth doan
count for sh*t aroun here anyways!

Now if you have a magazine like QST to relate real radio stories, well
then there might be sum dat lissen.

Guys like Jimmy Who dat doan know sh*t about real commitment, real
sacrifice. Only know about ENG101 and if the government loans are
going through. Forget about Fuchu and DaNang. They gots more
important tings to do so dey can tell us about how it really was.

But, in 2004, U.S. radio amateurs MUST still pass a morse test
to "qualify" for operating an amateur radio transmitter on HF.

Sadly true. Gotta makesure you not Taliban.

No
other radio service (other than certain Maritime radio
services)
require morsemanship testing.

Yes, that is pretty much the case.

Taliban welcome to FAA license.

WHY is that? There's no real reason for keeping that old test in
there.

All that morse test satisfies is the egos of the olde-tyme hammes
who will never have to take another morse test in their lives (if
they
renew on-time). THEY had to do it so everyone else MUST do so.
Ptui.

Hey, Mister!!! If the Taliban can master the Morris Code, so can you.

Only then are you worthy to wageth war on the hypocphyphal.

My whole point is that if you want to be a Ham with HF access at
this
time, that is a hoop you have to jump through.

Wonder if our Twin-Trade Tower Terrs were accomplished codesters?

Fine. Be a lemming or sheep.

I'm just advocating a change in the radio regulations. Without
any
personal needs, desires, or ego. I don't need any Titles or
Status
or a bunch of alphanumerics to "sign behind or in front of my
name.

Been there, done that a long time ago, and a little while ago
(early
this year), all without any legal requirement to pass some morse
test.


If that morse test is so absolutely "needed," then the
definition of the
ARS should be changed in Part 97 to "Archaic Radiotelegraphy
Service" for the USA.

Thot it was the Ars?

No need to fixate on the Morse code test.

Then why DO you?

indeed?

Why do you wish to CONTROL newcomers by keeping that morse
test? Folks will think you have a Hoop Holder complex, somebody
trying to be a guru or knowitall about "radio."

If someone LIKES morse code operations, fine say I let them do
their thing. But, to keep on enforcing an antiquated regulation
necessity about taking a morse test is, to me, downright stupid.

There's lots more to amateur radio than trying to recreate the
1920s
and 1930s "pioneering days" by keeping old, out-of-date tests.

Happy New Year on this last day of the 4th year into the new
millennium...



On this last day of the 4th year of the new millenium, I can only add,
"didit!"
All of the rest of amateur radio should be embarassed.

bb/N0iMD

In article .com, "bb"
writes:

Lenof21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

So...now you've got this "instant gratification" thing going
again?

Yes sir! Just like you have your thing going again.

My "thing" has been "going" all the while...no problems. :-)

Okay, good enough.

"Good enough?" :-)

Good enough, indeed!

I wonder what Mikes "war" contributions were?

A few cents pocket change into a Salvation ARMY bucket? :-)


There were no "streets" on Tsukishima Island in Tokyo in the 1950s.
Those were eventually put in when both the USA and USAF vacated
the island by the 1960s.

Damned USAF. Always trying to find a civilized way to do sumptin.

Well, the 16th Communications Squadron on the other half of
Tsukishima Island lived there full time. Eventually even those hardy
souls went looking for better places to exist.

We didn't "walk in" either since the billet was a half hour shuttle bus
trip from the transmitter station prior to assignment.

Shush! We'll have none of this no point A, point B nonsense.

Sorry. Scotty hadn't installed the Transporter yet. :-)

Transmitting sites are always wherever you happen to be.

Heh. When tossing out about 450 KW of assorted HF RF, ain't too
many others wanting to live in that vicinity.


Len, dammit, none of this pulse crappola. It was either CW or it was
RTTY. Doan confuse us widda facts.

Well, that's how it goes. Radar be a pulse thingy. [somehow I'm sure
that Jeffie from the Islands will try to claim that Hawaii pioneered radar
to spot invading Japanese aircraft...and that every fire and police station
has a radar set just for that... :-) ]

Police departments in the USA helped pioneer mobile VHF FM prior to
WW2, enough so that land armor forces had "channelized" push-button
select VHF FM radios in Yurp and foot soldiers had the old walkie-
talkie backpack VHF transceiver. FM. Voice. Like 1943 and out of
the Chicago Motorola works. SSB, the commercial variety of 12 KHz
BW carrying 4 voice-grade channels, was already linking WW2 troops
via HF to the mainland...the old clankety 60 WPM Teletypes riding about
8 at a time on 6 KHz worth of that SSB. Kind of "double frequency
multiplexing" which had been going on since the beginning of the 1930s.
[hams pioneered all that by writing it up in QST, didn't they?]


Wouldn't have missed it for the world, even with the threat of WW3
hanging around for everyone to get nervous about.

Stoppit, dammit, stoppit!!!

I'm just sick and tired of you tellin' it like it was. The truth doan
count for sh*t aroun here anyways!

Seems to be the truth, doesn't it? :-)

Now if you have a magazine like QST to relate real radio stories, well
then there might be sum dat lissen.

Well, we can always vacation in Hawaii and drop in any police and
fire station...they all have ham stations according to Jeffie and MUST
have old copies of QST lying around.

Guys like Jimmy Who dat doan know sh*t about real commitment, real
sacrifice. Only know about ENG101 and if the government loans are
going through. Forget about Fuchu and DaNang. They gots more
important tings to do so dey can tell us about how it really was.

They are Very Important People. They say so themselves, are
without error. They know "Real truth."


But, in 2004, U.S. radio amateurs MUST still pass a morse test
to "qualify" for operating an amateur radio transmitter on HF.

Sadly true. Gotta makesure you not Taliban.

Screening. Profiling. Those who no code test have "no interest" in
radio according to one such "profiler." :-)


Taliban welcome to FAA license.

Who else but FAA approved, certified, qualified, sanctified USA
flight schools taught the 9-11 hijackers how to fly?


Hey, Mister!!! If the Taliban can master the Morris Code, so can you.

I suppose so. But, not wanting to bother shows that I am "un-interested"
in radio (one profiler) or am "too dumb" to pass one (many others), and
generally morally incompetent to exist in the shining presence of mighty
macho morsemen.


Wonder if our Twin-Trade Tower Terrs were accomplished codesters?

Doubt it. Several U.S. government agencies allowed them in and to
attend flight schools here. Didn't hear about any secret terrorist plans
to wipe out any CW radio museums.


If that morse test is so absolutely "needed," then the definition of
the
ARS should be changed in Part 97 to "Archaic Radiotelegraphy
Service" for the USA.

Thot it was the Ars?

Ars longa.


On this last day of the 4th year of the new millenium, I can only add,
"didit!"
All of the rest of amateur radio should be embarassed.

Len Over 21 wrote:

But, in 2004, U.S. radio amateurs MUST still pass a morse test
to "qualify" for operating an amateur radio transmitter on HF. No
other radio service (other than certain Maritime radio services)
require morsemanship testing.


Since you opened the door, let's do some further comparisons of the ARS to
other services:

* We purposely operate using as little power as possible (QRP), they don't
* We have antenna measuring contests with home-built antennas, they don't
* We conduct emergency comms when other services are down, they're down
* We don't have to operate on pre-assigned frequencies, they do
* We have on-the-air contests (lots of them), they can't
* We can vary our power from 0 to 2KW, they can't
* We exchange post cards after a QSO, they don't
* We're frequency-agile with a VFO, they aren't
* We have swapmeets ("ham fests"), they don't
* We can build our own equipment, they can't
* We operate for the fun of it, they don't
* We have radio club meetings, they don't
* We can ragchew for hours, they can't
* We can operate at will, they can't
* We go on DXpeditions, they don't
* We're licensed, you're not

No 73 for you, Jeff KH6O

--
Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard
Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System

"Jeffrey Herman" wrote

:
: * We purposely operate using as little power as possible (QRP), they don't
: * We have antenna measuring contests with home-built antennas, they don't
: * We conduct emergency comms when other services are down, they're down
: * We don't have to operate on pre-assigned frequencies, they do
: * We have on-the-air contests (lots of them), they can't
: * We can vary our power from 0 to 2KW, they can't
: * We exchange post cards after a QSO, they don't
: * We're frequency-agile with a VFO, they aren't
: * We have swapmeets ("ham fests"), they don't
: * We can build our own equipment, they can't
: * We operate for the fun of it, they don't
: * We have radio club meetings, they don't
: * We can ragchew for hours, they can't
: * We can operate at will, they can't
: * We go on DXpeditions, they don't
: * We're licensed, you're not
:

With the exception of the first and the last item, everything you list can
also be claimed by freebanders as part of their hobby. Do the math, chief
lecturer, 14-out-of-16 ain't too shabby.

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:04:05 GMT, Mel A. Nomah wrote:

With the exception of the first and the last item, everything you list can
also be claimed by freebanders as part of their hobby. Do the math, chief
lecturer, 14-out-of-16 ain't too shabby.

"Freebanding" is criminal violation of the law. Lawbreakers can do
whatever they want - until caught.

You know that, I know that, everyone else here knows that.

Good troll.....

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane