On the emergency vehicle runs into the evacuating town of Valmeyer
Illinois, during the 93' Mississippi flood, a ham accompanied each run
because EMS radio communications wouldn't cover the area below the
bluffs. But the amateur could communicate from below the bluffs up to
a repeater on the opposite bank of the river in Missouri, and the ham
at the dispatch could relay messages.

BTW, the town didn't make it.

But how often do you have a 500yr flood? (rhetorical question - K8MN
need not apply).

bb

But how often do you have a 500yr flood? (rhetorical question - K8MN
need not apply).

Seems about once every 20 years.....

robert casey wrote:
Yes, and hams can handle that low priority stuff to offload
the more important communications links. "I took care of
the mundane boring stuff so the heroes could save the lives"...

Our last hurricane (1992) was a direct hit upon the island of
Kauai. All normal comms between Kauai County and the rest of the
state were wiped out. The ONLY comms between the governor here
in Honolulu and the mayor of Kauai was via amateur radio. Not
only H&W traffic was passed, but more importantly, safety of
life traffic, too.

Amateur radio is part of each county's emergency plan to the point
where ham stations are set up in each police and fire station.
Licensing exams are given regularly to police and firemen. Also,
every hospital has a station.

The state thinks so highly of amateur radio that our statewide
repeater system rides on the state-owned microwave backbone
which connects each county (island).

So, when normal communications go down, all the counties (islands)
of state are neatly tied together via ham radio.

Jeff KH6O
--
Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard
Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System

Jeffrey Herman wrote:

robert casey wrote:

Yes, and hams can handle that low priority stuff to offload
the more important communications links. "I took care of
the mundane boring stuff so the heroes could save the lives"...


Our last hurricane (1992) was a direct hit upon the island of
Kauai. All normal comms between Kauai County and the rest of the
state were wiped out. The ONLY comms between the governor here
in Honolulu and the mayor of Kauai was via amateur radio. Not
only H&W traffic was passed, but more importantly, safety of
life traffic, too.

Amateur radio is part of each county's emergency plan to the point
where ham stations are set up in each police and fire station.
Licensing exams are given regularly to police and firemen. Also,
every hospital has a station.

The state thinks so highly of amateur radio that our statewide
repeater system rides on the state-owned microwave backbone
which connects each county (island).

So, when normal communications go down, all the counties (islands)
of state are neatly tied together via ham radio.

And yet that seems so hard for some peope to grasp.

- Mike KB3EIA -

But how often do you have a 500yr flood? (rhetorical question -
K8MN
need not apply).

Seems about once every 20 years.....
That's just the confidence interval.

Jeff, so all of the Coast Guard comms were wiped out, too?

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Jeffrey Herman wrote:

robert casey wrote:

Yes, and hams can handle that low priority stuff to offload
the more important communications links. "I took care of
the mundane boring stuff so the heroes could save the lives"...

Our last hurricane (1992) was a direct hit upon the island of
Kauai. All normal comms between Kauai County and the rest of the
state were wiped out. The ONLY comms between the governor here
in Honolulu and the mayor of Kauai was via amateur radio. Not
only H&W traffic was passed, but more importantly, safety of
life traffic, too.

Amateur radio is part of each county's emergency plan to the point
where ham stations are set up in each police and fire station.
Licensing exams are given regularly to police and firemen. Also,
every hospital has a station.

The state thinks so highly of amateur radio that our statewide
repeater system rides on the state-owned microwave backbone
which connects each county (island).

So, when normal communications go down, all the counties (islands)
of state are neatly tied together via ham radio.

And yet that seems so hard for some peope to grasp.

Tsk. Some grasp at straws. Especially the strawmen.

First of all, a search fails to turn up ANY evidence that "all normal
comms" were disabled on any island of Hawaii in 1992. Note: That
search includes the words 'normal communications.'

Searching on the Hawaii state government web information turns up
thousands of interesting bits of information on Hawaii, its police and
fire departments (some quite detailed, nice photos, etc.), laws in
process, various agencies, school system, and so forth. So much so
that it became unproductive to check out each search hit to verify the
items of Lecturer Herman's statements.

There is NO mention found that "policemen and firemen" are all given
examinations IN amateur radio nor that amateur radio equipment is
set up in each police and fire station. If that were so widespread as
claimed, then each department would have featured that on their
web pages, included it in law proceeding remarks/comments, and so
forth. There's nothing from the Administration side of Hawaii government
to indicate that happening. Not all hospitals are available on the web
but the statement that "ALL hospitals have ham stations" is a bit over
the top.

I'm open to some evidence other than the usual RACES propaganda
to verify any of this "university lecturer's" claims. The state of Hawaii
is
not a small one; it is important, a focus point for our Asian neighbors in
the Pacific. Hawaii is generally considered "remote" by mainlanders
and therefore those who wish to embellish a few truths seem to think
they can get away with it, of not being checked out. Like some other
fraternal order propaganda, telling folks what they want to hear will
dissuade them from finding out it it is truth or not.

The state of Hawaii has an Interstate Highway System. It is fudging the
truth a bit to claim one can drive that system to any other state...without
another means to span part of the Pacific Ocean. I would suppose that
a junior college instructor could call themselves a "part of the University
of
Hawaii system" and that they "lecture on mathematics" if they hold
classes under that instructor. But, the same "mathematics lecturer"
(on the scale of Roger Penrose?) once claimed that the ARRL Amateur's
Handbook was on a "bestseller" listing in the USA...and the American
Bookseller's Association (ABA) couldn't verify that at all. :-)

Folks, we are getting into a huge embellishment project here with all these
straw structures. In other venues it would be called LYING. In here it is
apparently an Orwellian kind of Newspeak.

Len Over 21 wrote:

Folks, we are getting into a huge embellishment project here with
all these
straw structures. In other venues it would be called LYING. In
here it is
apparently an Orwellian kind of Newspeak.

The ONLY thing "Orwellian" here is the idea that YOU represent any
kind of honest, trustworthy or otherwise reputable point of view.

There's a LIAR here, alright, and it's Leonard H. Anderson. His
mistruths and deceit are well documented in Google.

I'll give you this, Lennie...For a putz that routinely
"embellished" his Army "career" with the sacrifices made by soldiers
who died 3 years before you were ever inducted, you certainly have some
huge cajones accusing others of "embellishment".

Face it, Lennie...As long as you continue to lie, deceive and
misrepresent the facts, you will have your nose rubbed in your misdeeds
in this forum.

You are not honest.
You are not trustworthy.

And THAT'S a fact.

Steve, K4YZ

Len Over 21 wrote:
The state of Hawaii has an Interstate Highway System. It is fudging the
truth a bit to claim one can drive that system to any other state...without
another means to span part of the Pacific Ocean.

It's paid for with federal funds, thus it's part of the federal interstate
highway system. It's no different from Interstate 405 in California: It
begins in LA and ends in San Diego -- it never leaves the state yet it's
yet it's still an "interstate."

I would suppose that a junior college instructor could call themselves
a "part of the University of
Hawaii system" and that they "lecture on mathematics" if they hold
classes under that instructor.

The semester begin tomorrow -- I'll be teaching a calculus class at the
university campus (which is not a "junior college"), 8:30-9:20 MWF,
Keller Hall room 403. The class is full but I'll let you register,
if you think you can handle the class.

But, the same "mathematics lecturer"
(on the scale of Roger Penrose?) once claimed that the ARRL Amateur's
Handbook was on a "bestseller" listing in the USA...and the American
Bookseller's Association (ABA) couldn't verify that at all. :-)

Go back and read my complete post, paying attention to the phrase
"...technical best seller."

Folks, we are getting into a huge embellishment project here with all these
straw structures. In other venues it would be called LYING. In here it is
apparently an Orwellian kind of Newspeak.

Accusing me of lying? Are you sure you want to commit libel?

No 73 for you,
Jeff KH6O
--
Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard
Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System

Len Over 21 wrote:
First of all, a search fails to turn up ANY evidence that "all normal
comms" were disabled on any island of Hawaii in 1992. Note: That
search includes the words 'normal communications.'

What the heck are you searching? Try something like "Oahu Civil Defense
RACES hurricane Iniki." Do you need your hand held, too?

Not all hospitals are available on the web
but the statement that "ALL hospitals have ham stations" is a bit over
the top.

Over the top of what? It's called the Health Comm Network, a
subcommittee of the Emergency Preparedness Committee, Healthcare
Association of Hawaii. The net connects Oahu Civil Defense, Blood Bank
of Hawaii, Castle Hospital, Kaiser Hospital, Kapiolani Hospital, Kuakini
Hospital, Pali Momi Hospital, Queen's Hospital, St. Francis-Liliha
Hospital, St. Francis-West Hospital, and Shriner's Hospital.

I'm open to some evidence other than the usual RACES propaganda
to verify any of this "university lecturer's" claims. The state of Hawaii
is not a small one; it is important, a focus point

"...focal point..."

for our Asian neighbors in
the Pacific. Hawaii is generally considered "remote" by mainlanders
and therefore those who wish to embellish a few truths seem to think
they can get away with it, of not being checked out. Like some other
fraternal order propaganda, telling folks what they want to hear will
dissuade them from finding out it it is truth or not.

Whatever. Do a Google search on "disaster radio in hawaii" to learn all
the good things amateurs do over here.

Still no 73 for you,
Jeff KH6O
--
Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard
Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System