"K4YZ" wrote in message
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:
: bb wrote:
: K4YZ wrote:
: bb wrote:
: """
: Brian, we are going to have to get you to learn how to quote the
: person you are replying to on the new Google.
:
: Your "replies", without some sort of background as to their
: intent
: and purpose, are meaningless.
:
: 73
:
: Steve, K4YZ
: """
:
: Steve, I am able to view the thread as a "tree" in google. When
: doing
: so it becomes painfully obvious who is responding to whom.
: Besides,
: most of what is posted here is meaningless.
:
: Meaningless or not, it's still a bit confusing to tell who's
: responding to who/what/why, etc.
:
: I found the way...I find that when you first sign in and "repond"
: to a post in Google, it shows the responded-to post. However if
: you
: try to go directly to another repsonse, it won't do it.
:
: I just hit the "sign out" link, then re-enter...A bit laborious,
: but it allows others to see in what context I am responding. Even
: when
: it's meaningless! =)
:
: 73
:
: Steve, K4YZ
:
: Each posting in google has a "reply" button below it. Using this
: reply
: button doesn't quote text. Above in the header is a "show options"
: button. When I invoke the options, there is an identical "reply"
: button. This reply does quote text, but I don't always remember to
: go
: there first.
:
: I do! That's why anyone who cares to follow doesn't have to go
: find the flow tree to keep up with the conversation.
:
: 73
:
: Steve, K4YZ
:

What conversation?

M.A.N.
--
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord,
make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it."
- Voltaire

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to fail.

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital HF
networks moving their financial data around.

All cellular phones interface to wire lines at some point.

Dave K8MN

My wired phones worked just fine during the Christmas ice storm. The
adjacent wires carrying power didn't. It's all so confusing.

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to fail.

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't. I'm guessing that their data moves via phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there are phone
lines. That's like what happens in my local grocery from time to time.
The phone lines are down and the store can't sell West Virginia lottery
tickets. People are told to come back later when the line is up.

All cellular phones interface to wire lines at some point.

My wired phones worked just fine during the Christmas ice storm. The
adjacent wires carrying power didn't. It's all so confusing.

I can understand your confusion, Brian. The power lines carry
electricity. The telephone lines carry telephone conversations. The gas
lines carry natural gas. Did you have any further questions?

Dave K8MN

"bb" wrote in message
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Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to fail.

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital HF
networks moving their financial data around.

All cellular phones interface to wire lines at some point.

Dave K8MN

My wired phones worked just fine during the Christmas ice storm. The
adjacent wires carrying power didn't. It's all so confusing.


Not when you know that wired phone systems and designs are so old fashioned
that they get their power through the telephone line itself rather than the
power distribution grid and that many of the phone companies still have
their emergency generators to supply power when the power grid does go down.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:57:04 GMT, Dave Heil wrote:

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't. I'm guessing that their data moves via phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there are phone
lines.

My guess is that their mainframe stuff uses buried fiber optic
circuits. In 1988 I got the nickel tour of the then-new Union
Pacific Railroad Control Center in Omaha. The Comm chief actually
showed me where two circuits emerged on two sides of the building,
one running via St. Louis and the other running via Kansas City. In
vital data circuits, redundancy is the name of the game.

I can understand your confusion, Brian. The power lines carry
electricity. The telephone lines carry telephone conversations. The gas
lines carry natural gas.

Ah!! Good point.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Phil Kane wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:57:04 GMT, Dave Heil wrote:

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital
HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't. I'm guessing that their data moves via
phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there are
phone
lines.

My guess is that their mainframe stuff uses buried fiber optic
circuits. In 1988 I got the nickel tour of the then-new Union
Pacific Railroad Control Center in Omaha. The Comm chief actually
showed me where two circuits emerged on two sides of the building,
one running via St. Louis and the other running via Kansas City.
In
vital data circuits, redundancy is the name of the game.
But Dave says they're likely to fail.

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to
fail.

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital
HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't.

A radio circuit is as likely to fail, or more so. It is also subject
to interference and interception.

I'm guessing that their data moves via phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there are
phone
lines. That's like what happens in my local grocery from time to
time.
The phone lines are down and the store can't sell West Virginia
lottery
tickets. People are told to come back later when the line is up.

They just want repeat customers.

All cellular phones interface to wire lines at some point.

My wired phones worked just fine during the Christmas ice storm.
The
adjacent wires carrying power didn't. It's all so confusing.

I can understand your confusion, Brian. The power lines carry
electricity. The telephone lines carry telephone conversations. The
gas
lines carry natural gas. Did you have any further questions?

Dave K8MN

As a matter of fact, if the downed trees cause power failures, and the
telephone lines are on the same poles and are downed, why does one have
phone service but no power?

bb wrote:

Phil Kane wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:57:04 GMT, Dave Heil wrote:

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital
HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't. I'm guessing that their data moves via
phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there are
phone
lines.

My guess is that their mainframe stuff uses buried fiber optic
circuits. In 1988 I got the nickel tour of the then-new Union
Pacific Railroad Control Center in Omaha. The Comm chief actually
showed me where two circuits emerged on two sides of the building,
one running via St. Louis and the other running via Kansas City.
In
vital data circuits, redundancy is the name of the game.
But Dave says they're likely to fail.

I have? I don't recall ever considering that radio amateurs would
attempt to pass financial data for bands in time of emergency.

It looks as if you're still confused.

Dave K8MN

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to
fail.

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital
HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't.

A radio circuit is as likely to fail, or more so.

Explain how that might be, given that one needs wires or, as Phil Kane
pointed out, fiber optic line.

It is also subject
to interference and interception.

And?

My wired phones worked just fine during the Christmas ice storm.
The
adjacent wires carrying power didn't. It's all so confusing.

I can understand your confusion, Brian. The power lines carry
electricity. The telephone lines carry telephone conversations. The
gas
lines carry natural gas. Did you have any further questions?

As a matter of fact, if the downed trees cause power failures, and the
telephone lines are on the same poles and are downed, why does one have
phone service but no power?

I suppose you'll have to take that up with your power company and
telephone company, Brian. I'd have to care more about your personal
situation to spend any time researching it for you.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

Did you have any further questions?

As a matter of fact, if the downed trees cause power failures, and
the
telephone lines are on the same poles and are downed, why does one
have
phone service but no power?

I suppose you'll have to take that up with your power company and
telephone company, Brian. I'd have to care more about your personal
situation to spend any time researching it for you.

Dave K8MN

Then your offer to answer further questions was disingenuous. Much
like the rest of your coments.