Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to fail.

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital HF
networks moving their financial data around.

All cellular phones interface to wire lines at some point.

Dave K8MN

My wired phones worked just fine during the Christmas ice storm. The
adjacent wires carrying power didn't. It's all so confusing.

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to fail.

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't. I'm guessing that their data moves via phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there are phone
lines. That's like what happens in my local grocery from time to time.
The phone lines are down and the store can't sell West Virginia lottery
tickets. People are told to come back later when the line is up.

All cellular phones interface to wire lines at some point.

My wired phones worked just fine during the Christmas ice storm. The
adjacent wires carrying power didn't. It's all so confusing.

I can understand your confusion, Brian. The power lines carry
electricity. The telephone lines carry telephone conversations. The gas
lines carry natural gas. Did you have any further questions?

Dave K8MN

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:57:04 GMT, Dave Heil wrote:

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't. I'm guessing that their data moves via phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there are phone
lines.

My guess is that their mainframe stuff uses buried fiber optic
circuits. In 1988 I got the nickel tour of the then-new Union
Pacific Railroad Control Center in Omaha. The Comm chief actually
showed me where two circuits emerged on two sides of the building,
one running via St. Louis and the other running via Kansas City. In
vital data circuits, redundancy is the name of the game.

I can understand your confusion, Brian. The power lines carry
electricity. The telephone lines carry telephone conversations. The gas
lines carry natural gas.

Ah!! Good point.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Phil Kane wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:57:04 GMT, Dave Heil wrote:

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital
HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't. I'm guessing that their data moves via
phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there are
phone
lines.

My guess is that their mainframe stuff uses buried fiber optic
circuits. In 1988 I got the nickel tour of the then-new Union
Pacific Railroad Control Center in Omaha. The Comm chief actually
showed me where two circuits emerged on two sides of the building,
one running via St. Louis and the other running via Kansas City.
In
vital data circuits, redundancy is the name of the game.
But Dave says they're likely to fail.

bb wrote:

Phil Kane wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:57:04 GMT, Dave Heil wrote:

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital
HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't. I'm guessing that their data moves via
phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there are
phone
lines.

My guess is that their mainframe stuff uses buried fiber optic
circuits. In 1988 I got the nickel tour of the then-new Union
Pacific Railroad Control Center in Omaha. The Comm chief actually
showed me where two circuits emerged on two sides of the building,
one running via St. Louis and the other running via Kansas City.
In
vital data circuits, redundancy is the name of the game.
But Dave says they're likely to fail.

I have? I don't recall ever considering that radio amateurs would
attempt to pass financial data for bands in time of emergency.

It looks as if you're still confused.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Phil Kane wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:57:04 GMT, Dave Heil wrote:

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to
digital
HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't. I'm guessing that their data moves via
phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there
are
phone
lines.

My guess is that their mainframe stuff uses buried fiber optic
circuits. In 1988 I got the nickel tour of the then-new Union
Pacific Railroad Control Center in Omaha. The Comm chief
actually
showed me where two circuits emerged on two sides of the
building,
one running via St. Louis and the other running via Kansas
City.
In
vital data circuits, redundancy is the name of the game.
But Dave says they're likely to fail.

I have? I don't recall ever considering that radio amateurs would
attempt to pass financial data for bands in time of emergency.

It looks as if you're still confused.

Dave K8MN
David, which bands would those be? Joe Walsh? Ronnie Milsap?

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to
fail.

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital
HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't.

A radio circuit is as likely to fail, or more so. It is also subject
to interference and interception.

I'm guessing that their data moves via phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there are
phone
lines. That's like what happens in my local grocery from time to
time.
The phone lines are down and the store can't sell West Virginia
lottery
tickets. People are told to come back later when the line is up.

They just want repeat customers.

All cellular phones interface to wire lines at some point.

My wired phones worked just fine during the Christmas ice storm.
The
adjacent wires carrying power didn't. It's all so confusing.

I can understand your confusion, Brian. The power lines carry
electricity. The telephone lines carry telephone conversations. The
gas
lines carry natural gas. Did you have any further questions?

Dave K8MN

As a matter of fact, if the downed trees cause power failures, and the
telephone lines are on the same poles and are downed, why does one have
phone service but no power?

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to
fail.

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital
HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't.

A radio circuit is as likely to fail, or more so.

Explain how that might be, given that one needs wires or, as Phil Kane
pointed out, fiber optic line.

It is also subject
to interference and interception.

And?

My wired phones worked just fine during the Christmas ice storm.
The
adjacent wires carrying power didn't. It's all so confusing.

I can understand your confusion, Brian. The power lines carry
electricity. The telephone lines carry telephone conversations. The
gas
lines carry natural gas. Did you have any further questions?

As a matter of fact, if the downed trees cause power failures, and the
telephone lines are on the same poles and are downed, why does one have
phone service but no power?

I suppose you'll have to take that up with your power company and
telephone company, Brian. I'd have to care more about your personal
situation to spend any time researching it for you.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

Did you have any further questions?

As a matter of fact, if the downed trees cause power failures, and
the
telephone lines are on the same poles and are downed, why does one
have
phone service but no power?

I suppose you'll have to take that up with your power company and
telephone company, Brian. I'd have to care more about your personal
situation to spend any time researching it for you.

Dave K8MN

Then your offer to answer further questions was disingenuous. Much
like the rest of your coments.

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

Did you have any further questions?

As a matter of fact, if the downed trees cause power failures, and
the
telephone lines are on the same poles and are downed, why does one
have
phone service but no power?

I suppose you'll have to take that up with your power company and
telephone company, Brian. I'd have to care more about your personal
situation to spend any time researching it for you.

Then your offer to answer further questions was disingenuous.

Not at all, "bb". I answered your question. I don't guarantee that
you'll like the answers.

Much like the rest of your coments.

I suppose that your comments indicating confusion over why your
telephone works when your power isn't on are infused with genuine
concern. ;-)

Once again, I've given you good advice. Your power company and your
telephone company will be better equipped than anyone to allay your
worries over the issue.

Dave K8MN