On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:14:14 -0500, Ham Guy wrote:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:55:28 -0500, Len pooped out:



It will cost you $13K if Uncle Charlie finds you. Thus it's not free, so
there's no freeband.... :-)

Really, what can you do illegally on 27.567MHz that you, if you have a
General or Extra class ham license, can do legally in the 10 meter ham
band?

Odds of getting caught and fined? Miniscule.


Riiiiiight. Go ahead and keep at it then, it's just a matter of time. They
ARE going after people...

I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses...

Quite a few according to many of the more recent FCC enforcement
actions. It would seem that the FCC is more likely to pop a licensed
ham for operating out of their assigned bands, than they are in
popping an unlicensed radio pirate.

If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be
detrimental.

The reason freebanding is as rampant as it is is that the FCC is
simply not affecting all that many people. The chances of getting
popped are very slim, and they usually give you a warning first, which
gives you a chance to pull the plug.

Freebanding is a violation of federal radio law, but without effective
enforcement, that earns very little respect among those who pursue it.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:14:14 -0500, Ham Guy wrote:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson
wrote:

I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses...

Dave responds with:

Quite a few according to many of the more recent FCC enforcement
actions. It would seem that the FCC is more likely to pop a licensed
ham for operating out of their assigned bands, than they are in
popping an unlicensed radio pirate.

If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be
detrimental.

The reason freebanding is as rampant as it is is that the FCC is
simply not affecting all that many people. The chances of getting
popped are very slim, and they usually give you a warning first, which
gives you a chance to pull the plug.

Freebanding is a violation of federal radio law, but without effective
enforcement, that earns very little respect among those who pursue it.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

Dave, you type this above, then type this 4 minutes later.
Make up your mind:

Assuming freebanders have ham licenses. Most don't.

Any ham who works H.F. knows that conditions vary between the bands.
If DX is the name of the game, those who are rabid about it, will seek
out whatever avenues exist to achieve that goal.

From a propagation standpoint, there is little difference in
conditions between 10, 11 and 12 meters. But there are far more
operators on 11 meters at any given time, so there are more chances to
make that "rare" contact.

That doesn't make it right, but it does explain why.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj


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Landshark wrote:
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:14:14 -0500, Ham Guy
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson
wrote:

I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses...

Dave responds with:

Quite a few according to many of the more recent FCC enforcement
actions. It would seem that the FCC is more likely to pop a
licensed
ham for operating out of their assigned bands, than they are in
popping an unlicensed radio pirate.

If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be
detrimental.

The reason freebanding is as rampant as it is is that the FCC is
simply not affecting all that many people. The chances of getting
popped are very slim, and they usually give you a warning first,
which
gives you a chance to pull the plug.

Freebanding is a violation of federal radio law, but without
effective
enforcement, that earns very little respect among those who pursue
it.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

Dave, you type this above, then type this 4 minutes later.
Make up your mind

Yes, Dave, make up your mind. You are going to lose friends among the
freebanders if you say anything is wrong with it.

In article ,
Dave Hall wrote:

| Quite a few according to many of the more recent FCC enforcement
| actions. It would seem that the FCC is more likely to pop a licensed
| ham for operating out of their assigned bands, than they are in
| popping an unlicensed radio pirate.

It's probably because it's a lot easier to track down -- after all, if
the licensed ham is properly IDing himself, it's trivial for anybody
who listens to look up that call sign and find that his ham class
doesn't let him transmit there.

| If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be
| detrimental.

Freebanders don't generally ID themselves at all. To actually track
one down would be a lot harder.

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So save the planet and kill yourself.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:41:06 GMT, (Doug McLaren)
wrote:

In article ,
Dave Hall wrote:

| Quite a few according to many of the more recent FCC enforcement
| actions. It would seem that the FCC is more likely to pop a licensed
| ham for operating out of their assigned bands, than they are in
| popping an unlicensed radio pirate.

It's probably because it's a lot easier to track down -- after all, if
the licensed ham is properly IDing himself, it's trivial for anybody
who listens to look up that call sign and find that his ham class
doesn't let him transmit there.

| If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be
| detrimental.

Freebanders don't generally ID themselves at all. To actually track
one down would be a lot harder.

But having a ham license gives freebanders access to equipment that
normally would not be available to unlicensed individuals. Some
retailers will not sell gear to unlicensed persons, nor will some
hamfests award prizes to those who hold no license, offering an
equivalent cash value instead.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:41:06 GMT, (Doug McLaren)
wrote:

In article ,
Dave Hall wrote:

| Quite a few according to many of the more recent FCC enforcement
| actions. It would seem that the FCC is more likely to pop a licensed
| ham for operating out of their assigned bands, than they are in
| popping an unlicensed radio pirate.

It's probably because it's a lot easier to track down -- after all, if
the licensed ham is properly IDing himself, it's trivial for anybody
who listens to look up that call sign and find that his ham class
doesn't let him transmit there.

I doubt if the hams who freeband are dumb enough to use their calls
there (but you never know). But I wouldn't be surprised to learn that
they are "recognized" there by other people who turn them in.


| If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be
| detrimental.

Freebanders don't generally ID themselves at all. To actually track
one down would be a lot harder.

Yes, I agree. It just seems funny that the latest freeband bust seem
to be hams running out of band over unlicensed operation.

It would seem that Riley H. is much more concerned with keeping
"honest" hams honest, rather than eradicating the freeband.

Dave
"Sandbagger"

I doubt if the hams who freeband are dumb enough to use their calls
there (but you never know). But I wouldn't be surprised to learn that
they are "recognized" there by other people who turn them in.

Some might ID by mistake out of habit before they realize that
they are out of band.....

WOuld it be illegal to use my callsign as my "cb handle" on
CB using legal CB equipment? Or would I be using my ham
license out of band? Not that anyone would really care, but....



| If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be
| detrimental.

Freebanders don't generally ID themselves at all. To actually track
one down would be a lot harder.


Yes, I agree. It just seems funny that the latest freeband bust seem
to be hams running out of band over unlicensed operation.


I've heard second hand of hams, bored of regular ham bands,
doing "freeband" for a change of pace.

robert casey wrote:
-snip-
WOuld it be illegal to use my callsign as my "cb handle" on
CB using legal CB equipment? pace.

Nope.

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:46:47 GMT, robert casey
wrote:



I doubt if the hams who freeband are dumb enough to use their calls
there (but you never know). But I wouldn't be surprised to learn that
they are "recognized" there by other people who turn them in.

Some might ID by mistake out of habit before they realize that
they are out of band.....

That could happen. I've caught myself almost doing it a few times.


WOuld it be illegal to use my callsign as my "cb handle" on
CB using legal CB equipment? Or would I be using my ham
license out of band? Not that anyone would really care, but....

If you are running legal CB gear on legal CB channels, you certainly
can use a ham call as a "handle". Why someone would is another
question.





| If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be
| detrimental.

Freebanders don't generally ID themselves at all. To actually track
one down would be a lot harder.


Yes, I agree. It just seems funny that the latest freeband bust seem
to be hams running out of band over unlicensed operation.


I've heard second hand of hams, bored of regular ham bands,
doing "freeband" for a change of pace.


Many hams used to be CB'ers/Freebanders, and like to "return to the
roost" once in a while.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

Many hams used to be CB'ers/Freebanders, and like to "return to the
roost" once in a while.


I got my start in radio with a legal CB radio back in 1976.
Then got a ham license and never went back. If I wanted
to "freeband" I can legally use the 10 meter band as a ham
for the same operations. But with the sunspots out, I
can use 20 or lower just as legally.