Caveat Lector wrote:

RTTY ers don't usually read the QRP pages for frequency useage
They probably read the ARRL pages for this

It is a conflict and the two entities ought to straighten it out


Its to the point where the last few days even operating CW on 40 has
been a waste. Twice tonight 20+ minutes into two different QSO's had
RTTY coming right on top..... Guess they couldn't hear that the freq
was already in use (ya right!)

George

GeorgeF wrote:
Caveat Lector wrote:

RTTY ers don't usually read the QRP pages for frequency useage
They probably read the ARRL pages for this

It is a conflict and the two entities ought to straighten it out


Its to the point where the last few days even operating CW on 40 has
been a waste. Twice tonight 20+ minutes into two different QSO's had

RTTY coming right on top..... Guess they couldn't hear that the freq

was already in use (ya right!)

In the "Olde Days" a person operating ANY Amateur mode on that
frequeny would have been proficient in Morse Code to at least 13WPM,
the speed at which one reaches true "literacy" in Morse. (Able to
understand what was being sent without having to write down everything
to get it)

Incursions like this will continue, expecially with the spectre of
a true no code Amateur license looming close.

73 and didididadidah

Steve, K4YZ

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GeorgeF wrote:
Caveat Lector wrote:

RTTY ers don't usually read the QRP pages for frequency useage
They probably read the ARRL pages for this

It is a conflict and the two entities ought to straighten it out


Its to the point where the last few days even operating CW on 40 has
been a waste. Twice tonight 20+ minutes into two different QSO's had

RTTY coming right on top..... Guess they couldn't hear that the freq

was already in use (ya right!)

In the "Olde Days" a person operating ANY Amateur mode on that
frequeny would have been proficient in Morse Code to at least 13WPM,
the speed at which one reaches true "literacy" in Morse. (Able to
understand what was being sent without having to write down everything
to get it)

Incursions like this will continue, expecially with the spectre of
a true no code Amateur license looming close.

73 and didididadidah

Steve, K4YZ

Exactly...not to mention the fact that IMHO most of the RTTY contesters just
don't give a damn who they clobber.

Tonight is the CW Sprint. 40 will be a total wipe out. However I will have
my RTTY program loaded. And the tape running. One way or another they will
know who they stepped on.

Dan/W4NTI

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GeorgeF wrote:
Caveat Lector wrote:

RTTY ers don't usually read the QRP pages for frequency useage
They probably read the ARRL pages for this

It is a conflict and the two entities ought to straighten it out


Its to the point where the last few days even operating CW on 40 has
been a waste. Twice tonight 20+ minutes into two different QSO's had

RTTY coming right on top..... Guess they couldn't hear that the freq

was already in use (ya right!)

In the "Olde Days" a person operating ANY Amateur mode on that
frequeny would have been proficient in Morse Code to at least 13WPM,
the speed at which one reaches true "literacy" in Morse. (Able to
understand what was being sent without having to write down everything
to get it)

Incursions like this will continue, expecially with the spectre of
a true no code Amateur license looming close.

73 and didididadidah

Steve, K4YZ

Exactly...not to mention the fact that IMHO most of the RTTY contesters
just
don't give a damn who they clobber.

Tonight is the CW Sprint. 40 will be a total wipe out. However I will
have
my RTTY program loaded. And the tape running. One way or another they
will
know who they stepped on.

Dan/W4NTI



heh heh. Yeppers. That'll learn 'em. Of course, nothing more would be
expected from ya there, Dan.

Kim W5TIT

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GeorgeF wrote:
Caveat Lector wrote:

RTTY ers don't usually read the QRP pages for frequency useage
They probably read the ARRL pages for this

It is a conflict and the two entities ought to straighten it
out


Its to the point where the last few days even operating CW on 40
has
been a waste. Twice tonight 20+ minutes into two different
QSO's had

RTTY coming right on top..... Guess they couldn't hear that the
freq

was already in use (ya right!)

In the "Olde Days" a person operating ANY Amateur mode on
that
frequeny would have been proficient in Morse Code to at least
13WPM,
the speed at which one reaches true "literacy" in Morse. (Able
to
understand what was being sent without having to write down
everything
to get it)

Incursions like this will continue, expecially with the
spectre of
a true no code Amateur license looming close.

73 and didididadidah

Steve, K4YZ

Exactly...not to mention the fact that IMHO most of the RTTY
contesters
just
don't give a damn who they clobber.

Tonight is the CW Sprint. 40 will be a total wipe out. However I
will
have
my RTTY program loaded. And the tape running. One way or another
they
will
know who they stepped on.

Dan/W4NTI

heh heh. Yeppers. That'll learn 'em. Of course, nothing more would
be
expected from ya there, Dan.

Kim W5TIT

He'll send Bruce over.

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GeorgeF wrote:
Caveat Lector wrote:

RTTY ers don't usually read the QRP pages for frequency useage
They probably read the ARRL pages for this

It is a conflict and the two entities ought to straighten it out


Its to the point where the last few days even operating CW on 40 has
been a waste. Twice tonight 20+ minutes into two different QSO's had

RTTY coming right on top..... Guess they couldn't hear that the freq

was already in use (ya right!)

In the "Olde Days" a person operating ANY Amateur mode on that
frequeny would have been proficient in Morse Code to at least 13WPM,
the speed at which one reaches true "literacy" in Morse. (Able to
understand what was being sent without having to write down everything
to get it)

Incursions like this will continue, expecially with the spectre of
a true no code Amateur license looming close.

73 and didididadidah

Steve, K4YZ

Exactly...not to mention the fact that IMHO most of the RTTY contesters
just
don't give a damn who they clobber.

Tonight is the CW Sprint. 40 will be a total wipe out. However I will
have
my RTTY program loaded. And the tape running. One way or another they
will
know who they stepped on.

Dan/W4NTI



heh heh. Yeppers. That'll learn 'em. Of course, nothing more would be
expected from ya there, Dan.

Kim W5TIT


Hey Kim ....stick to what you know....Nothing.

Dan/W4NTI

GeorgeF wrote:
Caveat Lector wrote:

RTTY ers don't usually read the QRP pages for frequency useage
They probably read the ARRL pages for this

It is a conflict and the two entities ought to straighten it out


Its to the point where the last few days even operating CW on 40 has
been a waste. Twice tonight 20+ minutes into two different QSO's had

RTTY coming right on top..... Guess they couldn't hear that the freq

was already in use (ya right!)

George

They don't call it QRP for nothing.

Did it occur to you that you and the other QRP ops might be in the
noise?

Its to the point where the last few days even operating CW on 40 has
been a waste. Twice tonight 20+ minutes into two different QSO's had
RTTY coming right on top..... Guess they couldn't hear that the freq
was already in use (ya right!)


The RTTY people may not have the receiver audio playing in the
shack, but just looking at the computer monitor for decoded RTTY
messages. SO they may not realize that there's some code coming
in on freq. Changing band conditions and such.

"robert casey" wrote in message
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Its to the point where the last few days even operating CW on 40 has been
a waste. Twice tonight 20+ minutes into two different QSO's had RTTY
coming right on top..... Guess they couldn't hear that the freq was
already in use (ya right!)


The RTTY people may not have the receiver audio playing in the
shack, but just looking at the computer monitor for decoded RTTY
messages. SO they may not realize that there's some code coming
in on freq. Changing band conditions and such.

Just one more reason to call them LIDS.

Dan/W4NTI

GeorgeF wrote:
Caveat Lector wrote:

RTTY ers don't usually read the QRP pages for frequency useage
They probably read the ARRL pages for this

It is a conflict and the two entities ought to straighten it out

Its to the point where the last few days even operating CW on 40 has
been a waste. Twice tonight 20+ minutes into two different QSO's had

RTTY coming right on top..... Guess they couldn't hear that the freq

was already in use (ya right!)

Some kind of RTTY contest going on.

Remember too that 40 meters is only 7000-7100 outside of IARU Region 2.

That will change in the next few years but right now a lot of DX is
allowed above 7100. And as we head towards sunspot minimum, folks who
were spread all over the bands above 10 MHz are being pushed lower in
frequency due to lack of propagation. Happens every cycle.

The best solution would be for the bottom 50-75 kc\Hz of each band to
be
made CW-only - by law.

73 de Jim, N2EY