Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

You would deny licenses to people based solely on age, without
*any* evidence of age-related problems.

That's just plain wrong.

But we'll never see agreement on that from Leonard.

Dave K8MN

Would an arbitrary barrier, such as an age 14 barrier, have
prevented
either you or Jim from obtaining an amateur license?

You must not be reading much of the material.

Correct. What clued you in? Perhaps the question I asked???

You know, I don't hang on every word that Jim types.

Jim stated that he
obtained his license at thirteen.

Which I did not read. Thus the question. See how it works???

Would a minimum age of fourteen have
prevented his obtaining an amateur radio license at thirteen? You
bet.

Not if he had approached amateur radio like Brian Kelly/W3RV did.

I obtained my license at age fourteen. How could a minimum age of
fourteen have presented a problem?

Dave K8MN

It wouldn't have, David. You are an outsider WRT such an age
restriction, so I don't know why you are concerned.

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

You would deny licenses to people based solely on age, without
*any* evidence of age-related problems.

That's just plain wrong.

But we'll never see agreement on that from Leonard.

Would an arbitrary barrier, such as an age 14 barrier, have
prevented
either you or Jim from obtaining an amateur license?

You must not be reading much of the material.

Correct. What clued you in? Perhaps the question I asked???


You know, I don't hang on every word that Jim types.

Jim stated that he
obtained his license at thirteen.

Which I did not read. Thus the question. See how it works???

I certainly do. You have comments and questions but haven't bothered to
read the material.

Would a minimum age of fourteen have
prevented his obtaining an amateur radio license at thirteen? You
bet.

Not if he had approached amateur radio like Brian Kelly/W3RV did.

You'll likely want to take that issue up with W3RV. Make sure you've
read all the applicable material.

I obtained my license at age fourteen. How could a minimum age of
fourteen have presented a problem?

It wouldn't have, David. You are an outsider WRT such an age
restriction, so I don't know why you are concerned.

Guess what, "bb", there's likely another piece of information of which
you are not aware. There was no age limit for amateur radio licensing
when I obtained my license. Despite the efforts of Leonard H. Anderson,
the FCC has still not seen fit to impose a minimum age limit.

Good luck on your quest for knowledge.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

You would deny licenses to people based solely on age,
without
*any* evidence of age-related problems.

That's just plain wrong.

But we'll never see agreement on that from Leonard.

Would an arbitrary barrier, such as an age 14 barrier, have
prevented
either you or Jim from obtaining an amateur license?

You must not be reading much of the material.

Correct. What clued you in? Perhaps the question I asked???


You know, I don't hang on every word that Jim types.

Jim stated that he
obtained his license at thirteen.

Which I did not read. Thus the question. See how it works???

I certainly do. You have comments and questions but haven't bothered
to
read the material.

Jim's complaint concerns Len's wish for an arbitrary age 14 requirement
into the amateur service.

Would a minimum age of fourteen have
prevented his obtaining an amateur radio license at thirteen?
You
bet.

Not if he had approached amateur radio like Brian Kelly/W3RV did.

You'll likely want to take that issue up with W3RV. Make sure you've
read all the applicable material.

Kelly has stated that his first amateur experience was as a bootlegger.
How much more discussion is required?

I obtained my license at age fourteen. How could a minimum age
of
fourteen have presented a problem?

It wouldn't have, David. You are an outsider WRT such an age
restriction, so I don't know why you are concerned.

Guess what, "bb", there's likely another piece of information of
which
you are not aware. There was no age limit for amateur radio
licensing
when I obtained my license. Despite the efforts of Leonard H.
Anderson,
the FCC has still not seen fit to impose a minimum age limit.

So don't concern yourself. Len's suggestion never has and never will
affect you.

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

Jim stated that he
obtained his license at thirteen.

Which I did not read. Thus the question. See how it works???

I certainly do. You have comments and questions but haven't bothered
to
read the material.

Jim's complaint concerns Len's wish for an arbitrary age 14 requirement
into the amateur service.

So you got the first part but seemingly missed some vital information.

Would a minimum age of fourteen have
prevented his obtaining an amateur radio license at thirteen?
You
bet.

Not if he had approached amateur radio like Brian Kelly/W3RV did.

You'll likely want to take that issue up with W3RV. Make sure you've
read all the applicable material.

Kelly has stated that his first amateur experience was as a bootlegger.
How much more discussion is required?

None with me.

I obtained my license at age fourteen. How could a minimum age
of
fourteen have presented a problem?

It wouldn't have, David. You are an outsider WRT such an age
restriction, so I don't know why you are concerned.

Guess what, "bb", there's likely another piece of information of
which
you are not aware. There was no age limit for amateur radio
licensing
when I obtained my license. Despite the efforts of Leonard H.
Anderson,
the FCC has still not seen fit to impose a minimum age limit.

So don't concern yourself. Len's suggestion never has and never will
affect you.

Any changes made to amateur radio regulation effect those who are
already licensed.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:

Any changes made to amateur radio regulation effect those who are
already licensed.

Dave K8MN

I don't see how. Will you be at least 14 years of age when the FCC
drags you in for a retest?

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

Any changes made to amateur radio regulation effect those who are
already licensed.

I don't see how. Will you be at least 14 years of age when the FCC
drags you in for a retest?

I'm not scheduled. I'm not likely to be scheduled and the FCC doesn't
drag anyone for anything.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

Any changes made to amateur radio regulation effect those
who are already licensed.

I don't see how. Will you be at least 14 years of age
when the FCC drags you in for a retest?

I'm not scheduled. I'm not likely to be scheduled
and the FCC doesn't drag anyone for anything.

Dave,

You're missing some basic points about this minimum-age-requirement
idea.

First off, there has never been such a requirement in the USA. Not even
back before WW1.

Len Anderson, who requested the age requirement of FCC and who has
a self-admitted problem with young people being licensed, has been
repeatedly asked to provide evidence - any evidence - that there
is some sort of problem caused by lack of an age requirement.

He has provided no evidence at all of such problems. Nor has anyone
else.

As a diversion, it has been suggested that such an age requirement
would not affect most hams today, such as you (K8MN) and Steve (K4YZ).
The clear implication is that you shouldn't oppose it because you're
over 14, and were at least 14 when you were first licensed.

But there's a clear contradiction in that diversion, because the person
demanding the age restriction is way over the age of 14, so it won't
affect him, either.

In fact, if we follow the logic of 'it doesn't affect you', it could be
argued that since Len Anderson obvioulsy doesn't want
an amateur license, he has no real grounds for complaint at all.

His only apparent involvement in amateur radio is spouting off
bull****, nonsense and abuse on usenet, and in general acting like a
complete jackass. His sole follower simply performs a variation on his
themes. Why bother with them?

Yes, Mr. Anderson did say that he was "going for Extra right out of the
box" back on January 19, 2000. But he hasn't taken even the first step
towards doing so, and there's no evidence he ever will. So the
requirements for an amateur license don't affect him in the least.

There's no good reason for a minimum age requirement for an amateur
radio license in the USA. We have more than 90 years of evidence to
back that up.

73 de Jim, N2EY

From: Brian Burke on Sun, Mar 13 2005 3:20 pm

Dave Heil wrote:

Any changes made to amateur radio regulation effect those who are
already licensed.

Dave K8MN

I don't see how. Will you be at least 14 years of age when the FCC
drags you in for a retest?

Mentally 14, I'm sure... :-)

Nobody, repeat NOBODY can "drag" big badass dave "in"
to anything. He said as much in the past. He IS the
Lawgiver despite Congress not approving him for that.

Big badass dave is very territorial, very old-style.
All who are allowed to play on HF or below MUST be
federally code-tested. "Or else." NO challenges,
let alone changes are "allowed" on that. :-)