Why not maintain the 5WPM requirement in the U.S., but give No-Code Techs
access to the 80, 40, 15, and 10 meter old novice sub-bands. This would
allow aspiring upgraders a place to hone their skills without having to
just listen to recordings. Also, the sending skills can be developed as
well. A side benefit would be hearing the sound of CW again ( even if it's
bad) in these largly unused segments. Just a thought.

Dr. Daffodil Swain wrote:
Why not maintain the 5WPM requirement in the U.S., but give No-Code
Techs
access to the 80, 40, 15, and 10 meter old novice sub-bands. This
would
allow aspiring upgraders a place to hone their skills without having
to
just listen to recordings. Also, the sending skills can be developed
as
well. A side benefit would be hearing the sound of CW again ( even
if it's
bad) in these largly unused segments. Just a thought.

Sounds reasonable. Heck, eventually the FCC will acquiesce to those who
feel amateur radio privileges are rights rather than privileges. I
personally believe the FCC is going to retain Element 1 solely for the
Extra class license. This would actually be a more balanced
alternative, IMHO.

Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384
QRP ARCI #11782

WA2SI wrote:
Dr. Daffodil Swain wrote:
Why not maintain the 5WPM requirement in the U.S., but give No-Code
Techs
access to the 80, 40, 15, and 10 meter old novice sub-bands. This
would
allow aspiring upgraders a place to hone their skills without
having
to
just listen to recordings. Also, the sending skills can be
developed
as
well. A side benefit would be hearing the sound of CW again ( even
if it's
bad) in these largly unused segments. Just a thought.

Sounds reasonable. Heck, eventually the FCC will acquiesce to those
who
feel amateur radio privileges are rights rather than privileges. I
personally believe the FCC is going to retain Element 1 solely for
the
Extra class license. This would actually be a more balanced
alternative, IMHO.

We've long since left the American core value of "priviledge is
earned", Bert. It started with Johnson's "Great Society". The "Great
Entitlement Giveaway" has been gaining momentum since. It's now
self-perpetuating. You have a pulse? You're entitled to what ever you
want regardless of whether you earned it or not.

In any case, I tend to agree with you on the Code issue. I'd go a
bit further and grandfather all the Advanced guys into Extra if for no
other reason than eliminating some administrative headache. Readjust
some of the sub bands a bit, then have it down to truly three classes
of license...Not three active and then several other "if you were
licensed on this date, "this", if you are one legged and whistle while
roller skating, "that" class, etc etc etc...

EXTRA: Remain as is. Full privileges and 5 WPM test.

ADVANCED: Grandfathered to Extra. Class eliminated from
database.

GENERAL. Becomes No Code. Present Generals remain. Sub bands
adjusted with Advanced "upgrade".

TECH PLUS: Must take written for upgrade to General with HF
theory/practice/safety questions. "Novice" HF privileges revoked, but
CSCE for 5WPM remains valid for future Extra upgrade.

NC TECH: No Change.

NOVICES: No more renewals. Put on notice that if they don't
upgrade by next renewal date, the license is eliminated. Possible
alternative, grandfather to NCT?

73

Steve, K4YZ

"K4YZ" wrote in news:1109339098.970664.145900
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:


WA2SI wrote:
Dr. Daffodil Swain wrote:
Why not maintain the 5WPM requirement in the U.S., but give No-Code
Techs access to the 80, 40, 15, and 10 meter old novice sub-bands.
This would allow aspiring upgraders a place to hone their skills
without having to just listen to recordings. Also, the sending
skills can be developed as well. A side benefit would be hearing
the sound of CW again ( even if it's bad) in these largly unused
segments. Just a thought.

Sounds reasonable. Heck, eventually the FCC will acquiesce to those
who feel amateur radio privileges are rights rather than privileges. I
personally believe the FCC is going to retain Element 1 solely for the
Extra class license. This would actually be a more balanced
alternative, IMHO.

We've long since left the American core value of "priviledge is
earned", Bert. It started with Johnson's "Great Society". The "Great
Entitlement Giveaway" has been gaining momentum since. It's now
self-perpetuating. You have a pulse? You're entitled to what ever you
want regardless of whether you earned it or not.

In any case, I tend to agree with you on the Code issue. I'd go a
bit further and grandfather all the Advanced guys into Extra if for no
other reason than eliminating some administrative headache. Readjust
some of the sub bands a bit, then have it down to truly three classes
of license...Not three active and then several other "if you were
licensed on this date, "this", if you are one legged and whistle while
roller skating, "that" class, etc etc etc...

EXTRA: Remain as is. Full privileges and 5 WPM test.

ADVANCED: Grandfathered to Extra. Class eliminated from
database.

GENERAL. Becomes No Code. Present Generals remain. Sub bands
adjusted with Advanced "upgrade".

TECH PLUS: Must take written for upgrade to General with HF
theory/practice/safety questions. "Novice" HF privileges revoked, but
CSCE for 5WPM remains valid for future Extra upgrade.

NC TECH: No Change.

NOVICES: No more renewals. Put on notice that if they don't
upgrade by next renewal date, the license is eliminated. Possible
alternative, grandfather to NCT?

73

Steve, K4YZ



There are too many proposals already, that's why the FCC is taking so long,
in all probability. FWIW, here's mine:-

1) Drop Element 1;

2) Upgrade Novices and No-code Techs to Tech Plus privileges, but just call
it Technician;

3) Upgrade Advanced to Extra

4) 'Re-farm' the Novice subbands as already agreed by the FCC;

5) As (4) above also affects (2), some further adjustments would have to be
made to Tech privileges, so I suggest giving them General CW/Data on 80, 40
and 15, plus full privileges on 10.

I don't expect everyone to agree, but I can't resist posting my two cents!

73 de Alun, N3KIP

On 25 Feb 2005 16:48:01 +0100, "Alun L. Palmer"
wrote:


There are too many proposals already, that's why the FCC is taking so long,
in all probability. FWIW, here's mine:-


Well, here is mine too:

1) New Novice Class (upgrade novices to this.)
HF Top 1/3 of SSB and CW bands on each of 80, 40,
15, and 10 meters
Maximum Power 20 watts.
2 meters 147-148 MHz Max 20 Watts
No other V/UHF

2) General Class (Upgrade Techs upon renewal, change of
address, etc.)
Top 2/3 of each cw and ssb band on HF 160, 80, 40, 30, 20, 17,
15, 12, and all 10 meters. Max Power 500 Watts (even in
novice bands)
Full 60 Meter as regulated.
All V/UHF priviliges up to 500 watts.

3) Amateur Extra Class (Upgrade Advanced upon renewal etc.)
All HF VHF and UHF priviliges with 1500 watts. (except 60 or
others as regulated.)
Require element 1 and the same tough exam.

This may create incentives for upgrade and reward those who do so.

Earn your priviliges. It isn't impossible.


Buck
--
For what it's worth.

2) General Class (Upgrade Techs upon renewal, change of
address, etc.)
Top 2/3 of each cw and ssb band on HF 160, 80, 40, 30, 20, 17,
15, 12, and all 10 meters. Max Power 500 Watts (even in
novice bands)

Power levels are hard to enforce from a remote listening
post. Frequency is easily enforced; that's why they
do subbands for differing license grades.

Full 60 Meter as regulated.
All V/UHF priviliges up to 500 watts.

3) Amateur Extra Class (Upgrade Advanced upon renewal etc.)
All HF VHF and UHF priviliges with 1500 watts. (except 60 or
others as regulated.)
Require element 1 and the same tough exam.

THe FCC was thinking that if they get rid of code tests,
that would reduce workload and administration duties.
Keeping code for extras and not generals doesn't get
them this. In which case they may decide to leave things
as is.

This may create incentives for upgrade and reward those who do so.

Earn your priviliges. It isn't impossible.


Just be sure that the things one needs to do to earn the
privileges are revalent to modern ham radio.

K4YZ wrote:
WA2SI wrote:
Dr. Daffodil Swain wrote:
Why not maintain the 5WPM requirement in the U.S., but give
No-Code
Techs
access to the 80, 40, 15, and 10 meter old novice sub-bands.
This
would
allow aspiring upgraders a place to hone their skills without
having
to
just listen to recordings. Also, the sending skills can be
developed
as
well. A side benefit would be hearing the sound of CW again (
even
if it's
bad) in these largly unused segments. Just a thought.

Sounds reasonable. Heck, eventually the FCC will acquiesce to those
who
feel amateur radio privileges are rights rather than privileges. I
personally believe the FCC is going to retain Element 1 solely for
the
Extra class license. This would actually be a more balanced
alternative, IMHO.

We've long since left the American core value of "priviledge is
earned", Bert. It started with Johnson's "Great Society". The "Great
Entitlement Giveaway" has been gaining momentum since. It's now
self-perpetuating. You have a pulse? You're entitled to what ever
you
want regardless of whether you earned it or not.

Yep, just like when Ron Reagan said, "Mr Gorbachev, Tear Down That
Wall!"

And those East Germans got a free ride to freedom. It was all just
terrible. Freedom turned out to be free after all. They should have
been made to work for it. Uphill both ways. Show the proper attitude
and all that.

I say, "Mr. FCC Chairman Powell, Tear Down That Wall!"

But the bricklayers are busy. Very, very busy.

K4YZ wrote:
I'd go a
bit further and grandfather all the Advanced guys
into Extra if for no
other reason than eliminating some administrative
headache.

What headache? License class is just one entry in the database.

If any existing Advanced wants the Extra, all they need
do is pass Element 4. Which has been done by at least one third
grader.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I have a GREAT IDEA

Lets give everyone EXTRA CLASS!!!!!

Yeah yeah yeah!

Tax breaks for buying HF radios....

"Dr. Daffodil Swain" wrote in news:7GDTd.14354$x53.711
@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:

Why not maintain the 5WPM requirement in the U.S., but give No-Code Techs
access to the 80, 40, 15, and 10 meter old novice sub-bands. This would
allow aspiring upgraders a place to hone their skills without having to
just listen to recordings. Also, the sending skills can be developed as
well. A side benefit would be hearing the sound of CW again ( even if it's
bad) in these largly unused segments. Just a thought.


Why not eliminate all testing? That's the ARRL plan.
Ten-Four Good-Buddy?


KB7ADL