Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

It's been
nearly two years since the first of those 18 petitions arrived
at
the
FCC and the conservative-traditionalists mounted much cross-fire
to those nasty radicals wanting dirty, rotten change (hack,
ptui)
from divine, blessed, noble olde-tyme regulations. Code MUST
stay! It is "right!" :-)

You've really worked yourself into a froth today, old timer. Too
much
caffeine?

More probably a lack of Geritol, Dave...Ot too much? Does it
matter? He's a putz either way.

73

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

It's been
nearly two years since the first of those 18 petitions arrived
at
the
FCC and the conservative-traditionalists mounted much cross-fire
to those nasty radicals wanting dirty, rotten change (hack,
ptui)
from divine, blessed, noble olde-tyme regulations. Code MUST
stay! It is "right!" :-)

You've really worked yourself into a froth today, old timer. Too
much
caffeine?

More probably a lack of Geritol, Dave...Ot too much? Does it
matter? He's a putz either way.

These demented rants of his grow more strange by the week. His factual
errors are numerous. The legion of lurkers which he claimed would rise
to the defense of his ideas never materialized and he's irrelevant to
amateur radio in this country.

Leonard really needs a new cause.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in news:4229580A.BDD9A351
@earthlink.net:

K4YZ wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

It's been
nearly two years since the first of those 18 petitions arrived
at the FCC and the conservative-traditionalists mounted much
cross-fire to those nasty radicals wanting dirty, rotten change
(hack, ptui) from divine, blessed, noble olde-tyme regulations.
Code MUST stay! It is "right!" :-)

You've really worked yourself into a froth today, old timer. Too
much caffeine?

More probably a lack of Geritol, Dave...Ot too much? Does it
matter? He's a putz either way.

These demented rants of his grow more strange by the week. His factual
errors are numerous. The legion of lurkers which he claimed would rise
to the defense of his ideas never materialized and he's irrelevant to
amateur radio in this country.

Leonard really needs a new cause.

Dave K8MN


I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted I'm not sure
why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a no-code licence any
time he feels like it and doesn't seem to want to get on HF anyway?
However, his satirical comments, whilst over the top, seem to be right on
the money.

73 de Alun, N3KIP

"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in news:4229580A.BDD9A351
@earthlink.net:

K4YZ wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

It's been
nearly two years since the first of those 18 petitions arrived
at the FCC and the conservative-traditionalists mounted much
cross-fire to those nasty radicals wanting dirty, rotten change
(hack, ptui) from divine, blessed, noble olde-tyme regulations.
Code MUST stay! It is "right!" :-)

You've really worked yourself into a froth today, old timer. Too
much caffeine?

More probably a lack of Geritol, Dave...Ot too much? Does it
matter? He's a putz either way.

These demented rants of his grow more strange by the week. His factual
errors are numerous. The legion of lurkers which he claimed would rise
to the defense of his ideas never materialized and he's irrelevant to
amateur radio in this country.

Leonard really needs a new cause.

Dave K8MN


I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted I'm not sure
why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a no-code licence any
time he feels like it and doesn't seem to want to get on HF anyway?
However, his satirical comments, whilst over the top, seem to be right on
the money.

Noted. You're not a lurker. You support Len's idea for having a
minimum age for entrance into U.S. amateur radio. You join "bb" in the
Len Anderson Fan Club.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:

I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted I'm
not sure
why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a no-code
licence any
time he feels like it and doesn't seem to want to get on HF anyway?
However, his satirical comments, whilst over the top, seem to be
right on
the money.

"Satirical comments"...?!?!

BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
! ! ! ! !

Lennie left "over the top" years ago and went straight to "over
the edge".

Lennie Anderson has been REPEATEDLY proven to be a L I A R, Alun.
Not "wrong"..."Wrong" is when you make a mistake, and when it's pointed
out to you why it's wrong, you acknowldege it and move on.

Leonard H. Anderson of Sun Valley Californis is a liar. Period.

He's NOT a satirist, and there's nothing comical about his insults
and deceptions.

Noted. You're not a lurker. You support Len's idea for having a
minimum age for entrance into U.S. amateur radio. You join "bb" in
the
Len Anderson Fan Club.

Geeze...I hope not. Alun's previously impressed me as being pretty
balanced.

73

Steve, K4YZ

"K4YZ" wrote in
oups.com:


Dave Heil wrote:
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:

I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted I'm
not sure why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a
no-code licence any time he feels like it and doesn't seem to want
to get on HF anyway? However, his satirical comments, whilst over
the top, seem to be right on the money.

"Satirical comments"...?!?!

BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! ! ! ! !

Lennie left "over the top" years ago and went straight to "over
the edge".

Lennie Anderson has been REPEATEDLY proven to be a L I A R, Alun.
Not "wrong"..."Wrong" is when you make a mistake, and when it's pointed
out to you why it's wrong, you acknowldege it and move on.

Leonard H. Anderson of Sun Valley Californis is a liar. Period.

He's NOT a satirist, and there's nothing comical about his insults
and deceptions.

Noted. You're not a lurker. You support Len's idea for having a
minimum age for entrance into U.S. amateur radio. You join "bb" in
the Len Anderson Fan Club.

Geeze...I hope not. Alun's previously impressed me as being pretty
balanced.

73

Steve, K4YZ



Thankyou. I think the point of Len's little tirade was that some here seem
to be opposed to change at any cost, and that certainly has a ring of truth
to it. Of course, he may have expressed that in a very sarcastic way, but
that doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong.

Alun L. Palmer wrote:

"K4YZ" wrote in
oups.com:


Dave Heil wrote:

"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:

I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted I'm
not sure why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a
no-code licence any time he feels like it and doesn't seem to want
to get on HF anyway? However, his satirical comments, whilst over
the top, seem to be right on the money.

"Satirical comments"...?!?!

BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! ! ! ! !

Lennie left "over the top" years ago and went straight to "over
the edge".

Lennie Anderson has been REPEATEDLY proven to be a L I A R, Alun.
Not "wrong"..."Wrong" is when you make a mistake, and when it's pointed
out to you why it's wrong, you acknowldege it and move on.

Leonard H. Anderson of Sun Valley Californis is a liar. Period.

He's NOT a satirist, and there's nothing comical about his insults
and deceptions.


Noted. You're not a lurker. You support Len's idea for having a
minimum age for entrance into U.S. amateur radio. You join "bb" in
the Len Anderson Fan Club.

Geeze...I hope not. Alun's previously impressed me as being pretty
balanced.

73

Steve, K4YZ




Thankyou. I think the point of Len's little tirade was that some here seem
to be opposed to change at any cost, and that certainly has a ring of truth
to it. Of course, he may have expressed that in a very sarcastic way, but
that doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong.

Of course he places me in that group also. Solely on my support for the
Element 1 test. The picture he paints of me is nowhere near the truth.
But broad brushes paint broad swaths, and apparently if a person is in
favor of a Morse code test, it is then mandatory that they are a
Morsodist, an "Olde Tyme Hamme" and in favor of the "Archaic
Radiotelegraphy Society, right? No other possibility exists?

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:

Thankyou. I think the point of Len's little tirade was that some here seem
to be opposed to change at any cost, and that certainly has a ring of truth
to it. Of course, he may have expressed that in a very sarcastic way, but
that doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong.

Are you planning to change your mind on that minimum age thing?

Dave K8MN

From: "Alun L. Palmer" on Sat, Mar 5 2005 5:32 pm:

"K4YZ" wrote in
roups.com:

Dave Heil wrote:
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:

I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted
I'm
not sure why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a
no-code licence any time he feels like it and doesn't seem to
want
to get on HF anyway? However, his satirical comments, whilst over
the top, seem to be right on the money.

"Satirical comments"...?!?!


BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! ! ! ! !

Lennie left "over the top" years ago and went straight to "over
the edge".

Lennie Anderson has been REPEATEDLY proven to be a L I A R,
Alun.
Not "wrong"..."Wrong" is when you make a mistake, and when it's
pointed
out to you why it's wrong, you acknowldege it and move on.

Leonard H. Anderson of Sun Valley Californis is a liar.
Period.

He's NOT a satirist, and there's nothing comical about his
insults
and deceptions.

Noted. You're not a lurker. You support Len's idea for having a
minimum age for entrance into U.S. amateur radio. You join "bb" in
the Len Anderson Fan Club.

Geeze...I hope not. Alun's previously impressed me as being
pretty
balanced.

Thankyou. I think the point of Len's little tirade was that some here
seem
to be opposed to change at any cost, and that certainly has a ring of
truth
to it.

Alun, you must understand that Robeson's name-calling is a long-
established habit of his, his own defense against not having a valid
opinion/comeback on the subject in a thread. He goes for the
Personal Attack and then loses his objectivity in his own insults
while manufacturing "issues" that aren't there.

I could post my own reasons for advocating the elimination of the
morse code test every week and the opponents (PCTA extras
all) would simply say I am "lying" and have "ulterior motives."
The PCTA extras do that ANYWAY! :-)

This "charge" that "I advocate a minimum age for amateur radio"
comes out of my Comment on docket 98-143 that was filed at
the FCC on 13 January 1998. [still on file there in the ECFS]
I submitted it via surface mail (appropriate copies per
instructions)
and then didn't follow it up. My Comment was 14 pages long and
that item was on the last page. Over a year after that filing, one
in here tried to make that a "cause celebre" as if it were
tantamount to Treason against the State! :-) Tsk, tsk. Once
that is done, some want to use that capital-crimes charge when
they can't think up enough false charges of damnation. :-)

By the way, that "charge" came out of a news item on the
ARRL web page which featured "the youngest hams," two
SIX YEAR OLDS who "passed their written exams" for
Novice and Technician classes, respectively. Uh huh. :-)
Uproar from the PCTAs followed, a whole fantasy scenario
of child prodigies (if they took ham exams) and a lot of sub-
threads of how the PCTA's children were also superior. :-)

FANTASY is a very big thing among the PCTA. All seem to
think they are somehow "pioneering" the airwaves by using
morse code...well after the actual pioneering was done before
their time. Morse code is demanded of all newcomers on some
imaginary need of "showing dedication and committment to
the amateur community!" :-) That continues with labels of
"Real" hams know morse! Those hams who haven't been
federally tested for morse code are "inferior" and apparently do
not deserve their licenses. :-)

Of course, he may have expressed that in a very sarcastic way, but
that doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong.

My "expression" in here without the false facade of gratuitous
complements to the "superiority" of the olde-tymers. :-)
They cannot stand anyone who's been deep into radio for a
long time, done a lot, yet doesn't subscribe to their fantasies.

Robeson has seemingly real fantasies (to him its not an
oxymoron) and imagines conditions which didn't exist with
others, then he expands on those as if it were reality. It isn't.
A case example is his claim that he can simply lift a telephone,
call authorities, and have anyone picked up on the strength of
his professional qualifications in medicine! That's absurd. Few
physicians have such power. Nurses do not. Yet Robeson
insisted in here that he could have Brian Burke put away with
such a call. Tsk. Such exaggeration carried braggadoccio
over the brink into some sort of mental imbalance due to its
irrationality. [just one example out of many]

Another syndrome is his "mirror" postings. If he is called
on some of his charges (such as constant name-calling as
a message ending salutation), he turns around and accuses
those who called him on his charges for doing the same
thing! That is on-going in here, the "mirror" postings
delayed by perhaps a week or slightly more, but they DO
appear. In one way, interesting to watch the psychosis
develop. Sort of a field example in psychology classes.

Heil is guilty of some of the same, although he may just
be trolling for word-fighting. Both Heil and Robeson MUST
triumph in the word-fights, will never ever admit to any
wrong-doing and always try to turn around things so the
other party is at fault. It's always about personalities and
the subjects are "right" if they mirror the ARRL words,
"wrong" if they are contrary to the holy ARRL words. :-)

The pro-code-test-advocates are simply Believers in their
self-righteous attitudes, long ago brainwashed into their
little world of radio fantasy. They are fanatics, almost as
fedayin ready to suicide-bomb anyone who speaks against
their idolatrous ideals. Perhaps their fanaticsm makes them
so angry and hateful?

Their anger and hate does not bode well for a hobby, an
avocation, something done for personal enjoyment. They
don't realize that since their self-righteousness blinds them.

There's a morbid fascination about their actions. :-)

Dave Heil wrote in
:

"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in news:4229580A.BDD9A351
@earthlink.net:

K4YZ wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

It's been
nearly two years since the first of those 18 petitions
arrived at the FCC and the conservative-traditionalists
mounted much cross-fire to those nasty radicals wanting
dirty, rotten change (hack, ptui) from divine, blessed,
noble olde-tyme regulations. Code MUST stay! It is "right!"
:-)

You've really worked yourself into a froth today, old timer. Too
much caffeine?

More probably a lack of Geritol, Dave...Ot too much? Does it
matter? He's a putz either way.

These demented rants of his grow more strange by the week. His
factual errors are numerous. The legion of lurkers which he claimed
would rise to the defense of his ideas never materialized and he's
irrelevant to amateur radio in this country.

Leonard really needs a new cause.

Dave K8MN


I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted I'm not
sure why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a no-code
licence any time he feels like it and doesn't seem to want to get on
HF anyway? However, his satirical comments, whilst over the top, seem
to be right on the money.

Noted. You're not a lurker. You support Len's idea for having a
minimum age for entrance into U.S. amateur radio. You join "bb" in the
Len Anderson Fan Club.

Dave K8MN


Where did you get that I support a minimum age? I don't.