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March 16th 05, 09:07 PM
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Now we need Len Anderson to chime in with something about how
amateur radio is predominately "white". Dave K8MN I'm not Len, but it is. True enough, Alun, just check out the ham photos in the last half-century's ham publications. No "profiling" qualifications needed... Whilst it's hard to tell someone's race on air, it also seems that On "CW" noboby can tell their gender. That maybe explains why WOMEN's tees are so "cool!" :-) Now you've really opened up a can of worms, Dave. Big badass dave LIKES worms, Alun. :-) |
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March 17th 05, 04:49 AM
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March 18th 05, 12:09 AM
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From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Mar 17 2005 4:49 am
wrote: Now we need Len Anderson to chime in with something about how amateur radio is predominately "white". I'm not Len, but it is. True enough, Alun, just check out the ham photos in the last half-century's ham publications. No "profiling" qualifications needed... That's right, Len. There are far fewer blacks than whites in amateur radio in the United States. Amateur radio in the U.S. is open to anyone. You've "never" asked yourself (or anyone else) WHY that is? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Mr. "equal opportunity" Heil with all the sarcastic arrogance he can muster DOES NOT EXPLAIN WHY U.S. amateur radio is essentially a white man's "club." Oh, my, how hypocritical can you get? Whilst it's hard to tell someone's race on air, it also seems that On "CW" noboby can tell their gender. That maybe explains why WOMEN's tees are so "cool!" :-) Because when using CW, nobody can tell your gender? Makes as much sense as anything else you've written, I suppose. Are you THAT brain-dead or living-in-fantasy while listening to "CW" that you CAN tell gender of the sender?!? What do you do on hearing that the other party is female, raise the beep pitch with your BFO knob?!? Jay-suss...big badass dave is hard-put to get anything to attempt humiliation and denigration of his "opponents." Tsk, tsk. Now you've really opened up a can of worms, Dave. Big badass dave LIKES worms, Alun. :-) Yes, I do, but I'm not awfully fond of you. AWWWWWW...poor lil davie is ALL UPSET because he isn't "loved and respected?!?" He wanna "take it out" on others? Poor guy is looking for love in all the wrong places. Tsk, tsk, tsk. GET WITH THE PROGRAM. A discussion of anything controversial WILL have all sorts of people "you don't like." Sunnuvagun! [as Hans likes to say...:-) ] Here's a newsflash, sweetums, it is NOT necessary to "like someone" about anything. The SUBJECT is (or should be) the discussion point...NOT the person or personality of whover YOU disagree with. U.S. amateur radio was NOT created especially for Dave Heil to enjoy. Dave Heil has NO more control over ham radio than I do...believe it or not! Dave Heil is NOT an FCC commissioner or staffer, does NOT "rule" anything but lines on paper pads. All of Dave Heil's "tenure" in amateur radio involves keeping his amateur license renewed. All the rest is arrogant posturing of the type of personality that needs to "control" everyone else. Dave Heil tries to "control" others by attempts at humiliation and denigration, then gets soooooooooo upset when he gets the same (and more) tossed right back in his face. Poor baby...and he thought he was "in control." Tsk, tsk, tsk. Does Dave Heil want a nice ARRL-south website where all can congratulate him on his long "career" as an amateur, rigidly following the league rulebook? No problem...easy thing to do ELSEWHERE. Posture and preen about yourself all you want (and you do so seem to want that) ELSEWHERE. U.S. amateur radio is NOT under YOUR control and won't be. If you want to pretend YOU control it, go ELSEWHERE. Meanwhile, the demographics on U.S. amateur radio show de facto that it is a WHITE MEN'S CLUB. If Davie wanna be "equal opportunity for all" (like he puts on to me), then Davie Heil ought to for damn sure go out and DO something about that. [the rest of the world does not exist to serve Davie Heil...or any PCTA] Posturing a lot of bull**** about "...it's open to all" may be the SPIN that all flag-waving, arrogant WHITE extras wanna rave about, but it's clearly NOT the case. It hasn't been the case for half a century. Davie Heil will NOT address the de facto WHITE MEN'S CLUB other than to misdirect into personal denigration against another. To me is going to come back with that idiotic "promise" that I allegedly made...about five years ago. Tsk, tsk. I NEVER took any "oath" or "vows" that I would do such a thing. Got that, Davie? NO "oaths," "vows," or promises. Doesn't matter on the SUBJECT whether or not I "get" a ham license. Big badass davie IS going to find some sort of personal denigration "charge" to misdirect the thread SUBJECT onto my person's alleged "faults." :-) He can't help it. He just doesn't like those having differing opinions than his. Davie Heil has been trying to toss me off this news- group for over seven years on all sorts of specious "charges." Tsk. He's FAILED! I'm still here. Poor guy must be twins (he's beside himself). Failure is NOT an option, Davie. TRY to get back ON the SUBJECT...WITHOUT resorting to all the alleged "faults" of another person. I don't think you can do it. |
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March 18th 05, 04:24 AM
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March 18th 05, 10:38 AM
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Lloyd wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... YOU contantly denigrate almost everyone here with allegations of Nazi sympathies, profanities and other such childish name-calling, then cry foul when redirected back to you. You've bottomed out, Lennie...Whatever potential you had at being of any value to community or avocation is long gone. Back under the rock, scumbag. When is scumbag k4yz going to post proof tht k1man was cited and sanctioned by the fcc? Oooooh! Lloydie has moved up to two syllable profanities! I am so (not) impressed! Same lame challenge...Still wordsmiting for some "advantage"...An advantage un-done by Google. Done deal. A simple Google search. I wonder if LLoydie will apologize or snivvel out. I vote on the snivvelling. Steve, K4YZ |
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March 18th 05, 11:01 AM
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#9
March 18th 05, 11:13 AM
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Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: Dave Heil tries to "control" others by attempts at humiliation and denigration, then gets soooooooooo upset when he gets the same (and more) tossed right back in his face. Poor baby...and he thought he was "in control." Tsk, tsk, tsk. "AWWWWWW...poor lil davie is ALL UPSET because he isn't "loved and respected?!?" He wanna "take it out" on others?" --Leonard H. Anderson "Big badass dave LIKES worms, Alun. :-) " --Leonard H. Anderson Sorry, Len, you were saying? There I was...laying on the beach in Bora Bora with Brittney Spears when BAM BAM BAM...This loud sounds wakes me from my male chauvanist near-wet dream... And what do I find...?!?! Dave Heil awaking me with that NAIL being hit SQUARELY on Lennie's head...AGAIN! It was worth the early wake-up call, Dave! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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March 18th 05, 08:01 PM
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From: Dave Heil I_RULE_ham_radio.Org.Asm on Fri, Mar 18 2005 11:01 am
wrote: From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Mar 17 2005 4:49 am wrote: That's right, Len. There are far fewer blacks than whites in amateur radio in the United States. Amateur radio in the U.S. is open to anyone. You've "never" asked yourself (or anyone else) WHY that is? Why no, Len, I've never asked myself what amateur radio in the U.S. is open to anyone. Seems reasonable to me. Tsk. The question was WHY ARE THERE SO FEW BLACKS (african-americans) IN U.S. AMATEUR RADIO? Stay with the program. I've not been tasked with being the official explainer of things, Len. Tsk. You've "tasked yourself" busy big control person. You seek "control" of who can post in here and who cannot. shrug Amateur radio in the United States is pretty much a white man's hobby. OK, agreement. The corollary question is, "WHY IS U.S. AMATEUR RADIO SO PREDOMINENTLY WHITE." Let's ask a second question on demographics: WHY IS IS PREDOMINENTLY MALE? The majority of the membership is white. Don't belabor the obvious. Explain WHY. When I lived in Sierra Leone, the majority of the Sierra Leone League of Amateur Radio was black. The minority was white. Go figure. DOS Tip: "Sierra Leone" is NOT a state of the United States. I can write the following: When I lived in Japan, the majority of the population was Asian. That doesn't pertain to the question. [do you understand the analogue or haven't you taken your Alzheimer's medications yet?] It was different in Botswana. Tsk. "Botswana" isn't a state in the United States. The question concerns the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and the hobby activity called amateur radio. You're starting to remind me of Brian Burke. You have a serious problem in getting along with anyone thinking differently than you do. You have a serious problem in discussing anything that is opposite to your own opinions. Discussion of ALL SIDES of any question should be OPEN and NOT restricted to some little clique of elitists who self-righteously proclaim their "ownership" of some activity. Both Brian and I have opinions OPPOSITE to yours...yet you feel compelled (perhaps obsessed) with a need to attempt denigration and/or defamation of us because we (and many others who appear from time to time) have opinions differing from yours. See above, little wizended Lennie. Tsk. Attempts at name-calling. Improperly spelled. Try to concentrate on the SUBJECT instead of name-calling those with opposite opinions. The USA does NOT include Sierra Leone nor does it include Botswana. It includes Wheeling, West Virginia, but Wheeling is just one city out of thousands in the USA. I didn't write that I'm upset. Tsk. You always SEEM so upset when encountering any opposite opinions. I got with the program starting in 1963. WHAT "program?" That can't be amateur radio. U.S. amateur radio does not allow broadcasting. [see another thread largely of name-calling by anonymous geeks getting their jollies off] Tsk. "Get with the program" is a colloquial EXPRESSION, common in American English. :-) Tsk, tsk. In 1963 I was working (in the USA) designing electronics for the Grumman Intruder radar pre-flight check-out set (Ku-band, portable battery-powered). Not a hobby and very much involved with microwave radio. Well, this discussion has you. "Has you" what? Try completing a sentence properly. Nobody may force me to like you. Not a requirement, self-righteous self-professed ruler of ham. Tsk. You are going to have to LIVE with the fact that many viewing your arrogant postings in here do NOT "like you." You MUST live with the fact that controversial subject discussion does NOT require capitulation to the opinions of yours...not even when you are an extremist in self-righteousness. [supposedly the State Department does that all the time...called "diplomacy," something that you've NOT displayed in any posting in here] The SUBJECT is (or should be) the discussion point...NOT the person or personality of whover YOU disagree with. Please try to remember that. I try to remember that, even when some ex-government employees use phrases like "little wizended lennie" as a response to me. U.S. amateur radio was NOT created especially for Dave Heil to enjoy. I figured that was the case when I became interested. Why did you lose that realization? Unlike you, I have a stake in amateur radio. A wooden one? You feel you MUST control what all newcomers are required to do to obtain an amateur radio license. Why is that? What compells you to attempt acting like you are "authority" on licensing? There is only ONE authority on licensing radio amateurs in the USA and that is the FCC. You are NOT a member of the FCC. Neither are you an FCC Commissioner or staffer. Tsk. You manufacture a strawman again. I've never claimed to control radio licensing in the USA. Since Dave Heil is NOT a member of the FCC, he does not have ANY authority on radio amateur licensing matters in the USA. [Sierra Leone and Botswana are not in the USA] This week you've told us that you are not interested in becoming a radio amateur. Irrelevant. Next week I may change my mind. [next week I may be in a foreign country...such as Sierra Leone or Botswana... :-) ] Becoming a LICENSED radio amateur carries with it NO requirements of adopting a strict "life style" of amateurism or any obeyance of some old "code" of conduct published by a membership organization. One does NOT need to "take vows" or "swear an oath" to uphold some artificial traditions, jargon, patois, standards and practices of older times. Amateur radio is a de facto HOBBY. [it is NOT de jure a "hobby" in regulations but that is just legislative language cum political speak to satisfy a minority of over-inflated traditionalist amateur lifestylers] I am a professional in radio-electronics and have been one since 1952. I am also a hobbyist in many different phases of radio-electronics and have been so involved since 1947. I have been most fortunate to do work in many different areas of electronics and radio and have a personal fascination with nearly all aspects of that broad technological field. You insist on defining "radio" as ONLY that of radio amateurism...as YOU know it. Sorry, that isn't acceptible to the entirety of the radio-electronics world. Neither does anyone HAVE to "demonstrate any interest" by becoming a LICENSED radio amateur FIRST. How arrogant is the posturing of the type of personality which is uninvolved in an avocation in which he plays no part as a participant or regulator? Talk about the need to control... Tsk. The control-freak is angry at being called out on how he appears to all others? That is you, Dave Heil. The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution states that all U.S. citizens have the RIGHT to petition their government for the redress of grievances. That is NOT "posturing." It extends to EVERY law, regulation made by the U.S. government. The FCC regulates U.S. amateur radio. The FCC is the final authority on what is required to obtain an amateur radio license. The ARRL has NO such authority. Dave Heil has NO such authority...but Dave Heil postures and preens AS IF he did. Tsk, tsk. You aren't a participant in amateur radio. You have no stake in it. You currently claim that you do not desire to become a participant. Yet you attempt controlling of amateur radio. Tsk, tsk. Advocacy in eliminating the morse code test for any amateur radio license is "CONTROL?!?" :-) Sorry, control-freak Dave Heil, that's simply a REQUEST of a citizen, similar to tens of thousands of other citizens who REQUEST the same thing. Not only is the code test requirement old and out-dated, the FCC has stated as far back as 1990 that the code test does not matter to their purpose in determining whether any prospective amateur should be granted a license. NOWHERE in the various Parts of Title 47 C.F.R. is there any "requirement" to "post bans" or submit any oath of interest or lifetime vow in becoming "a participant" through authorized (by the FCC) licensing. Neither is there some strange perversion of the First Amendment that allows ONLY "participating amateurs" to rule on regulations! You wish to shape it through having regulations relating to morse code testing and the instituting of a minimum age requirement for licening. INCORRECT. I've not pursued any "minimum age requirement" in U.S. amateur radio since making that SUGGESTION to the FCC in January, 1999, on the LAST page of a 14-page Comment on docket 98-143 (see date of 13 January 1999 in the FCC ECFS on that docket). Tsk. A number of middle-aged PCTA extras keep bringing that up and trying to imply it is something like Treason Against The State! I've dropped that request, haven't followed it through with REAL authorities, yet some self-appointed "guardians of their turf" insist that I am "constantly advocating age requirements!" :-) Yes, I advocate an elimination of the morse code test. Such will NOT affect ANY who are ALREADY LICENSED in U.S. amateur radio! It does NOT affect their ability to use what they ALREADY HAVE. No, it isn't a CLUB at all, Leonard H. It is open to all races and any of the several genders. Tsk. You FAIL to recognize the difference between de facto from de jure. There is NO discrimination on age or gender in the regulations of U.S. amateur radio in Title 47 C.F.R. [that's de jure] There is an OBVIOUS discrimination in race throughout the United States in regards to amateur radio licensing...against blacks (african-americans). [that's de facto] Observation, casual to studied, of all amateur radio hobbyist photographs in amateur publications of the last half century will demonstrate that de facto condition. There is a milder "discrimination" (of a sort) against females in LICENSED amateur radio. That's also been OBVIOUS but hasn't been much publicized since Harker's informal study presented on the ARRL website. Is it your view that it is my personal responsibility to recruit blacks into amateur radio whether they care to participate or not, Lennie Anderson? Tsk. I just asked a question. Can you EXPLAIN the de facto condition of U.S. amateur radio being a WHITE MAN'S CLUB? What does your comment have to do with my being appointed by you to recruit minorities, Lennie Anderson? Well, DAVIE Heil, I've NEVER taken on some self- appointed "authority" to "tell you what to do!" [I cannot perform miracles...] Considering your manner of "recruiting" ANYONE, you are rather deficient in such a "recruiting" task. Amateur radio is administered by the Federal Government. Tsk. It is REGULATED by the federal government. Minorities may participate. Participation isn't mandatory. Tsk, Tsk, TSK! DAVIE Heil has insisted and insisted that ONLY those who "participate" in rule-making of amateur radio MUST ALREADY have an amateur radio license! DAVIE Heil is acting the hypocrite. Your de facto WHITE MEN'S CLUB isn't de fact at all. [baaaad imitation of Amos or Andy... :-) ] Tsk. You keep mixing up "de facto" with "de jure." Those differences have been explained to you. Try to keep up with your self-education. Even you, could be a participant, little wizened Lennie. Tsk. More of the "diplomatic charm" picked up while "living in Sierra Leone or Botswana?" :-) I'm sure that in retrospect, it seems idiotic to you now. I'll bet you wish you'd never made it. No problem to me. I may say the same thing again. Or, I may not. :-) I'll be more specific. I do NOT intend to do so this week. :-) Around here, a man is only as good as his word. "Around there" is NOT the center of the universe nor of any "center of ethical/moral virtue." :-) Maybe it is different out there on the left coast. Where is this "left coast?" :-) I live in the southwestern part of the contiguous United States of America. In fact, the state of California is, by far, the most populous state in the union. If you try for more of such disparaging geographic comments, I'd say you were so unable to reply that you've resorted to self-appointed BIGOTRY on a personal insult level. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Little wizened Lennie loves to uses words like "denigration". Is it denigration to point out that you made your well known "Extra right out of the box" claim? Is it denigration to point to one of your factual errors? Tsk. More "diplomatic charm" with the phrase "little wizened Lennie?" :-) "Well known claim?" :-) No problem to me. I may say the same thing again. Or not. I've taken and passed MANY "tests" in my career of a half century in radio-electronics. MOST of them were much more difficult than ANY amateur radio "exam" given since 1952. I've tested, operated, DESIGNED radio equipment of equal and FAR-more-complex nature than amateur radio equipment. No problem to me to take a little hobby-radio test. I just don't choose to do so this week. :-) I'm in a computer network newsgroup. That is NOT amateur radio activity. No license is required. Yet DAVIE Heil (who likes to beat up on "little wizened" people - of his imagination) thinks I MUST have an amateur radio license to be IN this newsgroup! :-) You're adding two and two and coming up with the wrong answer. Bill Sohl's opinions often differ from mine. I don't dislike Bill Sohl. Did Bill Sohl participate in this thread? :-) I do dislike you, little old piranha. TS. :-) If you mean that I've made you the object of ridicule and sarcasm, that'd be correct. Tsk. Incorrect. You've ATTEMPTED to do so. :-) Sorry, it hasn't worked yet. Better luck in the future. Your grating, pompous manner makes you an inviting target. Awwwwww...get the great "DAVIE" all upset again? :-) Tsk. You're still an inviting target for ridicule and sarcasm. No problem. I expected that when I first began posting in here. :-) Tsk. The "good ol' boys" of the WHITE MAN'S CLUB really DO get all upset and ornery when their precious tree house is invaded. :-) What was the subject again, Len? "Demographics in U.S. amateur radio." Can't you CONCETRATE on SUBJECTS anymore? Was it something about my liking worms? Ah! Now it is clear on what YOU thought was the subject! "Davie, Davie Hi-el...king of the wild ham bands!" It seems to be all about Dave and his "battle" with opponents (who do not love and respect his greatness). As self-appointed "guardian" of all that is "holy" in ham radio (i.e., whatever Dave likes), he must do his "combat veteran" thing and FIGHT anything that threatens CHANGE to his radio lifestyle! :-) Understood. :-) |
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