N9OGL,

Copyright doesn't apply to "educational, discussions, ng posts etc" (It
applies only to websites, magazines, music, broadcasts etc) so therefore
IMHO any court in any democratic society would rule anything on a newsgroup,
to be public domain. Another example is the Metallica v Napster issue.
Whilst Metallica was succesful in having Napster made to comply with
copyright law, there is nothing Metallica can do legally to stop me and my
band playing "Enter Sandman" in the pub. If I was to sell this music
afterwards on CD-for a profit-then I would be obliged to pay Metallica
royalties. Further, for you to sue anyone for breach of copyright, you must
first prove it was at a financial loss to yourself (or company) and that the
person 'stealing' it is making money from it. As it's Amateur Radio,
'without pecuniary interests,' you, nor anyone else can claim to be making
money from/or losing money from something involving Amateur Radio.

Anything transmitted or done about amateur radio belongs, by default, to
every licensed amateur in the world, not me, not you or anyone else.

Only if someone takes your news bulletin, edits it a little and replays it,
you may have a chance, provided the broadcast was on commercial bands
(otherwise laws of commerce such as copyright don't apply). If you use the
amateur band for your bulletin, then under copyright & amateur laws, the
court would rule there was no commercial interest in the copyright and that
by transmitting it on amateur bands you expected for it to be recorded and
replayed by others at a later date. (Otherwise it would be illegal for the
FCC/ACA to monitor and record ham transmissions), but anyone putting
anything out on non-commercial radio frequencies can not have 'a reasonable
expectation' of copyright. (This sounds like Down Under, a couple of UHF
CB'ers (477MHz) tried to sue someone for re-transmitting their audio on
27MHz, but guess what, "How could they expect privacy and copyright on a
public radio band?" and wasted all their money)

Whilst I sought permission from ARNewsline to re-transmit ARNewsLine on UHF
CB in Melbourne out of courtesy, Mr Pasternack said he appreciated the
courtesy, yet I could have started re-transmitting it without his
permission, but if AR News Line was on a commercial FM frequency then I
would have to enter into a commercial agreement with AR Newsline. Or if I
was to copy his website and claim it as 'mine', as the website is in a
commercial domain. The contents of the ARRL Handbook is copyright. If I
photocopy a band plan and give it to another ham I have not breached
copyright. If I upload the entire book to the web for all to use, I have
breached copyright, or re-print it and give it away.

Names, trademarks etc are "copyright" such as I own the copyright to the
magazine name "VicNews" ISSN 1038-6971, but that doesn't prevent teachers
and educators photocopying my magazine for their students, nor does it
prevent anyone here saying "I read in VicNews this week....this guy is
wrong". There is nothing I can do about it. Let's see, by your logic, if I
write here I hate Coca Cola, then Coca Cola could sue me for using their
brand name without permission!

Instead of wasting your time, effort & money on a pirate TV station,
fighting the FCC (our ACA isn't much better btw) why not volunteer your time
and expertise to the local community radio and television stations as I do?
Not only could you broadcast what you want, you could help save the
community station thousands of dollars by carrying out free maintained and
repairs. I leave my broadcasting to broadcast services and amateur to
amateur.

And two questions for US ppl on he 1) Why does the cable channel control
community television? In Melbourne UHF Ch 31 is community tv, and is run by
Melbourne's Uni's as an independent organisation.

2) Why does the ARRL handbook list cable channels on your free-to-air tv
bandplan. Yes, we have cable tv, but our system is ABC 2 (VK's BBC), HSV 7,
GTV 9, ATV 10, SBS 28 & UNI 31 on the normal tv (just plug an antenna into
the set and tune) plus cable via Coax (Fox only downunder). If I wanted to
do a show on Channel 31, I could, what's broadcast is up to Uni's Student
Union, not a tv company.

Perhaps by 'time travel' N9OGL is referring to the fact that when USA hams
QSOs with hams Down Under or in New Zealand you are speaking to us tommorow
and we are speaking to you yesterday

PS N9OGL: To run even a 10% successful television, print or radio
show/program/station/publication you must first learn that there is a
certain 'way' of operating broadcast to amateur, the 'hype' factor I call
it, but for this to be effective requires a well-spoken, educated,
grammatically correct (or incorrect on purpose for desired effects, not just
because you can't spell) (just watch your nightly news or listen to the
radio, not the content, but how that content is presented) (Almost all media
outlets use a book called a "Style Book" which maintains content and how
that content is presented for all media formats in that organisation)

Also, you'll need to get much better at punctuation, as punctuation is
expression. If you are one of those guys who at school read mono-tone then
you haven't a hope. Remember the kid that reads with expression (usually
resulting in getting teased and laughed at hi hi) usually go on to be radio
announcers, journalists, etc. And punctuation, grammar, spelling and
expression go hand in hand.

Example: (From "To Kill A Mocking Bird" by Harper Lee).

With Expression: "Jem heard me. HE THRUST HIS HEAD AROUND THE CONNECTING
DOOR. As he came to my bed Atticus's light flashed on. We stayed where we
were until it went off; we heard him turn over and we waited until he was
still again"

Without: "Jem heard me. He thrust his head around the connecting door. As he
came to my bed Atticus's light flashed on. We stayed where we were until it
went off; we heard him turn over and we waited until he was still again"

Also, I read in the posts about you 'getting upset' at the editing of the
context of your program. Rather than call it 'censorship', and complain, do
what any journalist worth his/her salt would do, re-word your show to still
have the same impact and meaning without the profanity.

You should also note, that NOT swearing is more effective THAN swearing.
Example: you start your show tonight and include lot's of 'hells' 'dams'
'****' etc, and people watch. Ten years down the track same thing. But, if
you didn't swear for ten years at all, then one day came on air and said
"This is bull****" it would be 200% more effective.

Who out there knows someone who never swears? How shocked are you when
"That's ####ed" come out of thier mouth, as opposed to someone who uses it
as every second word. The former has such an impact as most people will
interpret that as "He's really annoyed," "Whatever they did must have been
pretty bad for him to use the f word. Whereas in the latter, it's just
"There goes that gutter mouthed lout again"

Having worked, albiet briefly, for the Herald & Weekly Times (Rupert's first
company, and the one that started News Ltd & Fox) every employee is given a
book which contains information on how certain articles and other issues are
to be dealt with by the journalist. Example alright-those that allow this
word into our media will be made to write "all right" 1000 times. (p.16, HWT
Style Book, 8th Ed, 9/1990)

Listen to AR newsline, an example of 'the format'
"I'm Bill Pasternack W?ITF for Amateur Radio News Line"


This is a post from the future.........(Sent from VK 1438hrs AEST, Thursday
31 March 2005) (UTC: 0338hrs, Thursday 31 March 2005)
Looking forward to my next QSO with the past

Ashley Geelan
VK3HAG

Australian Radio Amateur & Stand-In Volunteer Radio Announcer @ Plenty
Valley FM 88.6FM Melbourne, Australia.

I, too will be starting an on-air news bulletin, two in fact. One on the
local community station, about amateur radio and a brief amateur bulletin
for amateurs only who can call in to the studio (when I'm there) via amateur
radio and go 'on air' with thier thoughts to help promote AR (instead of
using the phone). This won't happen until I have co-ordinated a frequency to
use with the local amateur club. Perhaps, N9OGL I could send/show you the
correct way to format/run a newscast of any description.

N9OGL, if you have an Echo or IRLP node nearby would you like me to connect
to it and give a demonstration on this. No point having a broadcast of any
description until you have the fundamentals in place-grammar, pronunciation,
spelling, don't bother, it's hard enough to capture a (any) audience with
these traits.

"Barry OGrady" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:04:29 GMT, Dave Heil wrote:

More of our r.r.a.p. Tom Swift, gleaned from the archives:

from alt.sci.time-travel

Todd Daugherty
Jun 26 2003, 7:24 pm

I've have this Idea for a "simple" Time Machine. A operator would set up
a computer up to a high power wireless system. They would then set the
computer to transmit a message say in 30 years and hope that in thirty
years someone would reply back. comments?

Its unlikely that your setup would still be functional 30 years from now.

Todd Daugherty N9OGL
Amateur Radio Operator

(and)

Todd Daugherty
Jun 26 2003, 10:44 pm

The Answer to your first question is yes. A computer hooked to a TNC
(which is a wireless modem) is set up with a timing system. Most
"Packet" software for wireless communication has a timer system in it.
It's part of the software. Why wait so long for the signal to transmit?
because you want to be able to send the signal to a time period where
high speed communication systems are in general uses.

The systems in use then may not be compatible.

Scientist are now
just experimenting with high speed communication devices. For a person
to send a signal back in time they would have to uses a high speed
communication devices. Just remember it is a lot easier to sent a
particle or a signal through time then it is human or an object.

Its impossible to send anything through time.

On your
second comment about time travel via the human brain. I believe not only
"time-travel" is possible via the human brain but I also believe while a
person is a sleep the electro-magnetic emissions of say your brain is
connected to the multi-you in every parallel universe. The only time
your able to view those other universes is while your Brainwaves are at
the lowest point of the spectrum (around 1 to 14 hz) This also might
explain
NDE.

No technology can overcome the fact that there is nowhere to travel to.

Todd N9OGL

(and)

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Barry