"Mike Andrews" wrote in message
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In (rec.radio.amateur.misc), Cmd
Buzz Corey wrote:

I used to teach Novice classes, and I always assumed that anyone could
learn the code if they really wanted to. I found that some people had
difficulty telling the difference between a dit from a dah unless it was
sent very slowy and the dah made a lot longer than the dit, but when
sending a character that contained several dits or dahs or combinations,
they simply could not tell one from the other. It wasn't that they
lacked the skill to learn the code, I could right out characters in dits
and dahs on the board and they could recoginize them, it was an
interpertation problem with the brain of telling the sound of a dit from
the sound of a dah. People with hearing aids often had a difficult time.

You hit that part right on the head. My XYL has a deep notch in her
hearing
response curve, from about 400 Hz to about 2 KHz, due to playing viola in
a symphony orchestra for 15 years, sitting right in front of the brass
section[1]. She's having the very devil of a time with Morse, mostly
because she has problems distinguishing between dit and dah. She has
learned not to trust her ears, and now she's trying to learn to read with
them. The deep notch right where most people tune to read CW and where the
various tapes, CDs, and tutor programs all put the tone, also makes it
very
difficult for her.


Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of course
you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the test to
have one set up at that pitch for her testing.

Or just make sure that you can turn the volume WAY up just like my ex had to
(70% hearing loss in each ear and constant ringing of the ears).

When she passes Element 1, I have to go learn American Sign Language and
pass a proficiency test.


Sounds fair to me.

[1] I'll bet most people don't think much about hearing damage in people
playing in symphony orchestras. It's fairly common.


Being an amateur musician, I've read quite a bit about it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:

Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of
course
you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the
test to
have one set up at that pitch for her testing.

Dee, not everyone has a ham-husband to tell them all of the
modifications that the VE may make to an examination

bb wrote:

Dee Flint wrote:


Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of

course

you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the

test to

have one set up at that pitch for her testing.


Dee, not everyone has a ham-husband to tell them all of the
modifications that the VE may make to an examination

Brian, Dee is a VE.....

- Mike KB3EIA -

Hey, are you going to Dayton this year? I have a batch of what promises
to be an awesome Red Ale which should be ready to drink about that
time......

Mike Coslo wrote:
bb wrote:

Dee Flint wrote:


Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of

course

you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the

test to

have one set up at that pitch for her testing.


Dee, not everyone has a ham-husband to tell them all of the
modifications that the VE may make to an examination

Brian, Dee is a VE.....

Steve is a VA.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Hey, are you going to Dayton this year? I have a batch of what
promises
to be an awesome Red Ale which should be ready to drink about that
time......

Which day(s) are you going? I work Saturday.

bb wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

bb wrote:


Dee Flint wrote:



Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of

course


you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the

test to


have one set up at that pitch for her testing.


Dee, not everyone has a ham-husband to tell them all of the
modifications that the VE may make to an examination

Brian, Dee is a VE.....


Steve is a VA.


- Mike KB3EIA -

Hey, are you going to Dayton this year? I have a batch of what

promises

to be an awesome Red Ale which should be ready to drink about that
time......


Which day(s) are you going? I work Saturday.

I should be there al three days.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:

bb wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

bb wrote:


Dee Flint wrote:



Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of


course


you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the


test to


have one set up at that pitch for her testing.



Dee, not everyone has a ham-husband to tell them all of the
modifications that the VE may make to an examination


Brian, Dee is a VE.....



Steve is a VA.


- Mike KB3EIA -

Hey, are you going to Dayton this year? I have a batch of what


promises

to be an awesome Red Ale which should be ready to drink about that
time......



Which day(s) are you going? I work Saturday.

I should be there al three days.

Brian, I just sampled a bottle, and it is awesome IMHO. It is a big
beer, has an excellent head and is pretty well balanced between malt and
hops. Good carbonation. It is a little darker than I expected. The
alcohol content is a bit more than I expected, so it isn't a session
beer, but more like an after dinner beer. Another month and it might be
worth entering in a competition...... Yumm

- Mike KB3EIA -

"bb" wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:

Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of
course
you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the
test to
have one set up at that pitch for her testing.

Dee, not everyone has a ham-husband to tell them all of the
modifications that the VE may make to an examination


That's what you ask in here for! There are VEs in here, myself included -
who can give guidance to those who ask.

cl

cl wrote:
"bb" wrote in message
ups.com...

Dee Flint wrote:

Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of
course
you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the
test to
have one set up at that pitch for her testing.

Dee, not everyone has a ham-husband to tell them all of the
modifications that the VE may make to an examination


That's what you ask in here for! There are VEs in here, myself
included -
who can give guidance to those who ask.

cl

"Here" is all knowing.

Part 97 doesn't define Morse Code, but specifies that it is to be
tested at 5WPM. Part 97 is silent on Farnsworth Code. Part 97 doesn't
say that the VE's must accomodate variations in testing.

Why does a person have to ask RRAP when they should be able to read it
in the governing regulations???

"bb" wrote in message
oups.com...

cl wrote:
"bb" wrote in message
ups.com...

Dee Flint wrote:

Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of
course
you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the
test to
have one set up at that pitch for her testing.

Dee, not everyone has a ham-husband to tell them all of the
modifications that the VE may make to an examination


That's what you ask in here for! There are VEs in here, myself
included -
who can give guidance to those who ask.

cl

"Here" is all knowing.

Part 97 doesn't define Morse Code, but specifies that it is to be
tested at 5WPM. Part 97 is silent on Farnsworth Code. Part 97 doesn't
say that the VE's must accomodate variations in testing.

Why does a person have to ask RRAP when they should be able to read it
in the governing regulations???


Try reading Part 97.509 Section (h). It covers "administering the exam". I
think you'll find it DOES cover the fact that VEs must accommodate
handicapped applicants.

cl

"cl" wrote in message
o.verio.net...

"bb" wrote in message
oups.com...

cl wrote:
"bb" wrote in message
ups.com...

Dee Flint wrote:

Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of
course
you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the
test to
have one set up at that pitch for her testing.

Dee, not everyone has a ham-husband to tell them all of the
modifications that the VE may make to an examination


That's what you ask in here for! There are VEs in here, myself
included -
who can give guidance to those who ask.

cl

"Here" is all knowing.

Part 97 doesn't define Morse Code, but specifies that it is to be
tested at 5WPM. Part 97 is silent on Farnsworth Code. Part 97 doesn't
say that the VE's must accomodate variations in testing.

Why does a person have to ask RRAP when they should be able to read it
in the governing regulations???


Try reading Part 97.509 Section (h). It covers "administering the exam". I
think you'll find it DOES cover the fact that VEs must accommodate
handicapped applicants.

cl

Ah, it is section (k) now........

(k) The administering VEs must accommodate an examinee whose physical
disabilities require a special examination procedure. The administering VEs
may require a physician's certification indicating the nature of the
disability before determining which, if any, special procedures must be
used.

cl