"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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..... my point that you can argue yourself out of any testing via your
argument......


No you can't.

I fully support a Morse familiarity test. Cross my heart and hope to die!

I just don't support a "skill demonstration", unless you want to require a
"skill demonstration" of every knowledge area on the test, and deny licenses to
everyone who cannot demonstrate all required skills.

73, de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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..... my point that you can argue yourself out of any testing via your
argument......



No you can't.

Yes you can.

I fully support a Morse familiarity test. Cross my heart and hope to die!

I just don't support a "skill demonstration", unless you want to require a
"skill demonstration" of every knowledge area on the test, and deny licenses to
everyone who cannot demonstrate all required skills.


No other part of the testing is a skill. You can buy a Yeacomwood rig,
have other people set up your antenna and setup. You can talk into a
microphone, (assuming that people know to mash the PTT or adaptive
device that performs the same function) and it will "work". I can buy or
download and install the software that I use for PSK31. It's a major
stretch to consider that a skill. More like knowledge.

But CW is a different matter. You aren't going to read a book and sit
down at the key and start sending or receiving Morse. *Thst's* a skill.

Even with computer generated Morse and Receiving programs such as CWGet
(all which do s so-so job of the mode) it is a valuable skill which can
work with minimal equipment.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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No other part of the testing is a skill.

My point EXACTLY, Mike.

While there are many skills associated with our hobby, only one of those skills
is singled out for a required demonstration.

Interestingly, if that skill is so vital as to need a skill demonstration, it
would seem that no-one who had not been tested would be allowed to use it on the
air. Yet a basic Technician licensee is perfectly free to use Morse on the air
without having passed a Morse test. So much for the need for a demonstration
before a license grant!

73, de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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No other part of the testing is a skill.

My point EXACTLY, Mike.

While there are many skills associated with our hobby, only one of
those skills
is singled out for a required demonstration.

Interestingly, if that skill is so vital as to need a skill
demonstration, it
would seem that no-one who had not been tested would be allowed to
use it on the
air. Yet a basic Technician licensee is perfectly free to use Morse
on the air
without having passed a Morse test. So much for the need for a
demonstration
before a license grant!

73, de Hans, K0HB

I wonder how Dee would accomodate the disabled examinees for the Tower
Climbing pass/fail exam.

K=D8HB wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...

No other part of the testing is a skill.

My point EXACTLY, Mike.

While there are many skills associated with our hobby, only one of
those skills
is singled out for a required demonstration.

Interestingly, if that skill is so vital as to need a skill
demonstration, it
would seem that no-one who had not been tested would be allowed to
use it on the
air. Yet a basic Technician licensee is perfectly free to use Morse
on the air
without having passed a Morse test. So much for the need for a
demonstration
before a license grant!

73, de Hans, K0HB

I wonder how VE Dee would accomodate the disabled in the Tower Climbing
pass/fail skill exam?

"bb" wrote in message
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KØHB wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...

No other part of the testing is a skill.

My point EXACTLY, Mike.

While there are many skills associated with our hobby, only one of
those skills
is singled out for a required demonstration.

Interestingly, if that skill is so vital as to need a skill
demonstration, it
would seem that no-one who had not been tested would be allowed to
use it on the
air. Yet a basic Technician licensee is perfectly free to use Morse
on the air
without having passed a Morse test. So much for the need for a
demonstration
before a license grant!

73, de Hans, K0HB

I wonder how VE Dee would accomodate the disabled in the Tower Climbing
pass/fail skill exam?


Not that Tower climbing will likely ever become an issue with the exam, but
if it were, then I'd suggest there would be questions relating to the proper
safety techniques of doing such a job, wherein "actual" "physical"
demonstration is not needed nor required. Given that - a wheel chair bound
person "could" pass those parts of an exam. I can't fathom tower climbing
becoming a major issue. There is a question or so relating to wearing a
"hard hat" when working "near" a tower in case someone drops a tool or other
item. So, there ya go. Perhaps you can consider that as a step in the
"tower" safety process. It would be only "questions" relating to such
things, what's the big deal about pass/fail? You either answer the question
correctly as you would be expected to with any other - or you don't!

We have to count the number of correct answers given and see it they add up
to a passing grade, if not - too bad! It won't matter if they're handicapped
or not. We can accommodate them as to taking the exam, we don't accommodate
them as to giving them the "answers".

cl

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[snip]


I wonder how VE Dee would accomodate the disabled in the Tower Climbing
pass/fail skill exam?


Tower climbing is not a basic skill so there is no need to test for it. One
can put up a wide variety of antennas without a tower. On the other hand,
I've often thought that a person (unless handicapped) should demonstrate
putting a simple PL-256 on coax.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
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[snip]


I wonder how VE Dee would accomodate the disabled in the Tower
Climbing
pass/fail skill exam?


Tower climbing is not a basic skill so there is no need to test for
it. One
can put up a wide variety of antennas without a tower. On the other
hand,
I've often thought that a person (unless handicapped) should
demonstrate
putting a simple PL-256 on coax.

Blasphemy! Off with your head!

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

w3rv

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
news I've often thought that a person (unless handicapped) should demonstrate
putting a simple PL-256 on coax.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Perhaps they could demonstrate a PL259 connector instead?

Brad VK2QQ

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K=D8HB wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...

No other part of the testing is a skill.

My point EXACTLY, Mike.

While there are many skills associated with our hobby, only one of
those skills
is singled out for a required demonstration.

Interestingly, if that skill is so vital as to need a skill
demonstration, it
would seem that no-one who had not been tested would be allowed to
use it on the
air. Yet a basic Technician licensee is perfectly free to use Morse
on the air
without having passed a Morse test. So much for the need for a
demonstration
before a license grant!

73, de Hans, K0HB

I wonder how VE Dee would accomodate the disabled in the Tower
Climbing
pass/fail skill exam?


Not that Tower climbing will likely ever become an issue with the
exam,

I'm going to advocate it during the next NPRM.

but
if it were, then I'd suggest there would be questions relating to the
proper
safety techniques of doing such a job,

No questions. They need to climb a 60 foot tower, haul up the coax and
an HF-tribander, fasten it, point it north, and make the connections.

wherein "actual" "physical"
demonstration is not needed nor required.

But it is. Otherwise, how would we know they could do it?

Given that - a wheel chair bound
person "could" pass those parts of an exam. I can't fathom tower
climbing
becoming a major issue.

Yet Morse Code has become a major issue. Just because not everyone is
going to have a tower is no excuse for not being able to demonstrate
the ability.