From: "K4YZ" on Fri,Apr 29 2005 9:54 pm

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Fri,Apr 29 2005 2:07 am

K0HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

If Brian or Lennie had such an error pointed out, there'd be a
six
month long rant on how licensing in Somalia or how Lennie single
handedly passsed 1.2 million messages at ADA in 1953.

1. Brian had simply mentioned he did some ham radio
from Somalia when he was on active duty, assigned
there. I saw no "discussion of licensing IN Somalia."

I've never seen anyone ask about rear area Army radio stations in
the 50's, Lennie, but you sure do let us know about it.

Someone has to do it...poor Stevie NEVER did anything
close to such HF communications...as an amateur or
anything else.

Stevie fails to get the point: A half century ago,
the MAJOR message load throughout the U.S. military
was by teleprinter, NOT morse code. Way higher than
90% of ALL message "traffic" in the military. A HALF
CENTURY AGO.

Perhaps nearly a quarter million messages a MONTH is
not enough traffic in your fevered imagination? Tsk.
That kind of traffic was done by the third-largest
Army station in ACAN (later STARCOM, later the DCS
or Defense Communications System)...using the old
60 WPM rate teleprinters. "WAR" (actually RUEP at
Fort Detrick) handled over a MILLION messages per
month.

2. I've never claimed credit for "single-handedly passing
1.2 million" anything.

Your INITIAL claim, before everyone with a grade school
mathematics
education put the numbers back in your face was that YOU were
responsible for this feat.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. You still don't understand what the
word APPROXIMATION means. :-)

Neither transmitters nor receivers personnel kept a
count of the messages going and coming...we kept the
radio equipment OPERATING...most circuits being 24/7.
Traffic Analysis group at Control did the tallying,
primarily for administrative purposes and to gauge
the loading on the many and various radio paths to
the rest of the network. No more than about four,
two in Control (one being the Duty Officer on shift)
and two in the TTY Relay section.

OK, let's do an APPROXIMATION of the numbers based
on very brief data that appeared in the Pacific Stars
& Stripes military newspaper of 1955 (exact issue not
known, not that it matters except to certain pedantic
literalist morsemen)...that being 220,000 messages a
month average in 1955. Based on a 30 day month, that
works out to about 7333 messages a day average...
which is about 2444 messages (average) per 8-hour
shift...or 306 messages an hour (average) or 5
messages a minute (average)...all day, all night,
seven days a week, 52 weeks a year...continuous
traffic...stopped only for about 3 hours during a
solar storm some time in late 1955 (neither receivers
nor transmitters shut down, were on-line and waiting
but it gave the TTY Relay section a nice break time).

By the way, there's a nice mnemonic in "220" which is
also the APPROXIMATE number of teleprinters in the
TTY Relay section floor handling all the TTY in/out of
RUEP (the node identifier for Tokyo at the time).

My active duty time in the 8235th Army Unit (the "other"
identifier for my Signal Battalion) was three years.
So, given that I was actively responsible for my part
in handling all that traffic (none of us did it all on
our own) then, IF and only IF the 220 thousand per
month was an average for all three years, a total of
message traffic through ADA/RUEP was APPROXIMATELY
7.92 MILLION! An average PER YEAR would be 2.64
million. Now, if I were only directly, intimately,
hands-on like involved for 8 hours per day AVERAGE
that works out to a "mere" 880 thousand per year...
except I was there for three years so that AVERAGE
APPROXIMATE ESTIMATE (give or take) jumps back to
2.64 MILLION. [I do hope I haven't taxed your 16
neurons excessively on this so far...]

As to this "1.2 million" figure, that would be WRONG
IF and only IF TAKEN LITERALLY...IT HAS TO BE MORE!
My AVERAGE APPROXIMATE ESTIMATE was being very kind
to your one-op, one-transceiver amateur minds in
taking that 2.6 million down to roughly half. There
were some duties that involved simple maintenance,
testing, administrative duties, a couple of quick
equipment courses, etc., etc., that did NOT involve
DIRECT, HANDS-ON RESPONSIBILITY for keeping the
motto of GETTING THE MESSAGE THROUGH "live." For
example, in a month of duty exchange spent in Control
(to relieve another E-5 who was sick) my ON-LINE
RESPONSIBILITY was for a GREATER NUMBER than the
ones I ESTIMATED.

An EXACT tally is impossible. None of that was a
requirement. The only requirement was ABSOLUTE:
GET THE MESSAGES THROUGH. WE did. All of us in
our unit.

You only changed your story to "team" after a week of being hit
over the head with your silliness.

I used the term "team" for understanding by those
who have NOT been in that kind of communications.
WE used the term "trick chief" to denote a team
leader for operations and maintenance on a shift.
ADA transmitters had four teams working in a curious
12-day cycle of three days on each shift followed
by three days off. "Trick chiefs" were usually
E-5s with an E-4 as Assistant "trick chief."

the rank (E-5) to BE an Operating Team Leader. It is
obvious to any rational mind that NO ONE PERSON could
possibly transmit 220 thousand messages a month over
a single radio station. That takes teamwork and ALL
on the team MUST do their part.

If could have been in ANY time era, Lennie...Your INITIAL "story"
was that YOU were responsible for this feat. "Teamwork" didn't enter
the picture until days later.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. TEAMWORK was NECESSARY a half century
ago, always has been, still is (at least in USA and
USAF and USN military communications). The U.S.
Military is entirely PROFESSIONAL...not a bunch of
amateurs having fun in a hobby activity.


3. Saying you can read the future is itself a LIE.

I never said I could, Lennie.

Then why do you WRITE "what would be?" You don't
KNOW that your imaginings will take place.


I just acknowledged the error when it was shown and moved on.

That is (probably) the BIGGEST LIE of Robeson. Robeson
tries and tries and tries and tries to turn around ANY
accusation by misdirection, personal insult of others, and
general accusation of misdeeds by his accusers.

Ahhhhhhhhhh....I see....Saying that I realized I made a mistake
and
accepting that fact is "misdirection"...

Misdirection, personal insult of others, and a general
accusation of misdeeds by accusers. Google archives
are packed with your examples of NOT "acknowledging an
error and moving on!" :-)

I NEVER claimed that MARS was under anyone's direction other than
DoD.

I DID say that the same SPIRIT of AMATEUR RADIO was what made
MARS
what it is.

Bull**** squared. What Robeson wrote was -

"Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio."

The only "spirit" there is unwilling to come out in
the light of day. :-) MARS was "made what it is"
by the United States Army prior to World War 2...a
grandiose public relations thing "to get radio
amateurs [of the early 30s] involved with Army
radio communications." [from Army history as I
originally pointed out] After World War 2, the
USAF joined with USA and adopted the acronym of
MILITARY Affiliate Radio System. Note that
"amateur" does NOT appear in that name.

Civilian radio amateurs were NOT very active in
the pre-WW2 MARS (few volunteers who did not
contribute as much as the Army founders hoped).
Civilian radio amateurs were active in the post-
WW2 MARS, helping the morale effort of a generally
peacetime military scattered across the globe
through messages and "phone patches" stateside.
That dwindled after the "end" of the Vietnam War.
Today's military enjoys a much more DIRECT route
of communications through the DSN and Internet.

It's unfortunate (for the U.S. military) that
certain amateur radio publications have made
much more than reality of the "contributions"
to the "military" for so long...they have
brainwashed too many amateurs into thinking
they are the heart and soul of MARS. Amateurs
are NOT the heart and soul. Some volunteers
(not all) USE their volunteerism as a perverted
badge of herosim/patriotism as if they "serve"
the nation. The DoD still runs/directs/operates
MARS...and NOT ON the amateur radio bands.


Leonard H. Anderson IS
And putz....

Poor baby. Robeson just can't get through a
few minutes without insulting an "opponent."

Robeson CANNOT acknowledge that some have much
more experience IN radio communications than
he ever had. Rather than find out anything of
the various communications systems or organizations
he winds up doing PERSONAL INSULTS in lieu of
discussion on a SUBJECT. That's Robeson's
sickness demonstrated in here against all of his
opponents.

Robeson is the role model of today's amateur
extra?