Never Mind, Hans, Found it Myself...

Headers quoted for refrence, stuff in between snipped, however the
inquiring mind can certainly follow the headers and verify it's
correctness.

QUOTE:

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
From: (Steve Robeson K4YZ) - Find messages by this author

Date: 22 Dec 2002 00:34:59 GMT
Local: Sat,Dec 21 2002 4:34 pm

From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 12/21/02 2:26 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In a couple of months from now I'll mark my 50th anniversary of
first QSY...(SNIP)

Can't even get the "Q" signals correct for Amatuer application.
Besides,
"Q" signals are NOT used in MILITARY applications, either...

UNQUOTE

Congratulations, Hans! You had to go back three years to find
something you could hang on to, but nice job!

And in YOUR reference:

Sorry, Steve, but "Q" signals (properly called Operating Signals) of
course ARE used in MILITARY applications.

The governing document is ACP-131(E), an unclassified Allied
Communications
Publication (ACP) available on the web for your examination at
http://www.dtic.mil/jcs/j6/cce=ADb/acps/Acp131e.pdf .

Yep...In "MILITARY" communications...Not specifically United
States "MILITARY"...

The document you cited, for the enlightenment of others reading,
is a multi-nation Allied document...

So for that inappropraite choice of language, I stand corrected...

However:

That SAME document goes on to say: (paraphrased...you may
certainly investigate my comments more closely...)

(1) The Q codes (for decode only) are used between military
stations and civil aeronautical or maritime stations.

(2) The Z codes are for military use only. Q signals MAY be used
but are not REQUIRED for use by Allied stations.

Said codes are typically used for Morse or teleprinter
communications. Z-codes are more prevelent in AMERICAN military
communicaitons...

But thanks for pointing out s three year old error, Hans.

I don't suppose you ahve anything more contemporary to address, do
you...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...


Yep...In "MILITARY" communications...Not specifically United
States "MILITARY"...

The document you cited, for the enlightenment of others reading,
is a multi-nation Allied document...

Nice bit of Andersonian-like misdirection to try to cover your ignorance
(lie?), but welcome to another lesson in US Military Communications, a subject
in which you tried to lecture Len, and now me.

ALL similar publications used by our AMERICAN military communicators are also
used by our military allies. That's why they're call "ACP-xxx". ("ACP" is the
acronym for "Allied Communications Publication")

ACP-113 (Call Sign Book for Ships), ACP-117 (Routing Indicators), ACP-120
(Security), ACP-121 (General Communications Instructions) ACP-124 (CW
Procedures), ACP-125 (Voice Procedures), and many other ACP's are the standard
documents used by United States Military communicators. (The publications cited
are all unclassified, and probably on the web at the JCS site which contains the
ACP-131 which you examined.)

Z-codes are more prevelent in AMERICAN military communicaitons.

Another "error" (lie?). Q-codes are at least as prevelant in AMERICAN military
communications, if not more-so, than "Z" signals. Been there, done that, got
the medals.

For someone who professes to have been seriously involved in one
strictly-AMERICAN military communcations system, NAVMARCORPSMARS, governed by
the publication "NTP-8" ("NTP" being the acronym for Naval Telecommunications
Publication), your ignorance (lie?) is especially odd, since NTP-8 reproduces an
extensive list of "Q" signals taken directly from ACP-131. I would think you'd
have known that you never saw a copy of NTP-8.

Oh, never mind. I forgot that NAVMARCORPSMARS is NOT a military
communications system. "Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio"

But thanks for pointing out s three year old lie, Hans.

You're welcome, Steve.

This lecture brought to you free by K0HB, who hopes that you are not offended by
anything you read, inferred, assumed, presumed or otherwise guessed I might have
possibly meant as demeaning - unless of course you are a pompous
"full-of-yourself" individual who WANTS to be insulted. In which case be my
guest.


ZBM2,

de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

Yep...In "MILITARY" communications...Not specifically United
States "MILITARY"...

The document you cited, for the enlightenment of others reading,
is a multi-nation Allied document...

Nice bit of Andersonian-like misdirection to try to cover your
ignorance
(lie?), but welcome to another lesson in US Military Communications,
a subject
in which you tried to lecture Len, and now me.

And Steven J. Robeson K4YZ K4CAP K4MARS said that he admits his
mistakes. =20

Perhaps grudgingly, if at all.

"K4YZ" wrote

You had to go back three years to find
something you could hang on to, but nice job!

Nope, less than 2-1/2 years.

Actually you're guilty of only a modest exaggeration, but if Brian or Len had
exaggerated something by a similar ratio you'd have labled them "liars".

I wonder why that is?

de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

You had to go back three years to find
something you could hang on to, but nice job!

Nope, less than 2-1/2 years.

Actually you're guilty of only a modest exaggeration, but if Brian or
Len had
exaggerated something by a similar ratio you'd have labled them
"liars".

I wonder why that is?

If Brian or Lennie had such an error pointed out, there'd be a six
month long rant on how licensing in Somalia or how Lennie single
handedly passsed 1.2 million messages at ADA in 1953.

I just acknowledged the error when it was shown and moved on.

Do you wonder why THAT is...???

Steve, K4YZ

From: "K4YZ" on Fri,Apr 29 2005 2:07 am

K=D8=88B wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

You had to go back three years to find
something you could hang on to, but nice job!

Nope, less than 2-1/2 years.

Actually you're guilty of only a modest exaggeration, but if Brian
or Len had
exaggerated something by a similar ratio you'd have labled them
"liars".

I wonder why that is?

If Brian or Lennie had such an error pointed out, there'd be a
six
month long rant on how licensing in Somalia or how Lennie single
handedly passsed 1.2 million messages at ADA in 1953.

1. Brian had simply mentioned he did some ham radio
from Somalia when he was on active duty, assigned
there. I saw no "discussion of licensing IN Somalia."
I did see a lot of name-calling and general personal
insults directed ON Brian by yourself and Das Kolonel.
Both of you, plus Jimmie Noserve, had tried to pass
yourselves off as "experts" on amateur radio licensing
in trying to INFER that Brian was "breaking the law"
by "not having the 'authorization.'" You know NOT
of such "authorization" and none of the three of you
have ANY authority on that of any kind.

2. I've never claimed credit for "single-handedly passing
1.2 million" anything. What I stated was an
APPROXIMATION of the number of message I was
RESPONSIBLE FOR TRANSMISSION as an OPERATING TEAM
LEADER...not in 1953 but rather late 1954 when I had
the rank (E-5) to BE an Operating Team Leader. It is
obvious to any rational mind that NO ONE PERSON could
possibly transmit 220 thousand messages a month over
a single radio station. That takes teamwork and ALL
on the team MUST do their part.

3. Saying you can read the future is itself a LIE. You
are neither Saint nor Savant With Prescience. Ergo,
you CANNOT say such things as "there'd be a six
month rant" by anyone on anything, especially when
you cannot get your IMAGINED activities by others
factual.

I just acknowledged the error when it was shown and moved on.

That is (probably) the BIGGEST LIE of Robeson. Robeson
tries and tries and tries and tries to turn around ANY
accusation by misdirection, personal insult of others, and
general accusation of misdeeds by his accusers.

1. As an example, when pointed out to Robeson that the
Department of Defense does indeed DIRECT MARS, was
given the exact web link to that DIRECTIVE, spent over
two weeks of messaging AVOIDING his mistake in saying
"MARS IS amateur radio." Robeson could have simply
acknoledged that DIRECTIVE's existance and shut up on
the subject. He did NOT. If Robeson ever said so, he
hid that "acknowledgement" in a smokescreen of verbiage
(mostly garbiage) which still attempted to misdirect
the subject AND managed to level personal insults on
his accusers. There was NO "moving on" but a long,
long, protracted (by the Angle of Dearth) message
exchange where his very real ERROR was NEVER admitted.

2. This newsgroup has been turned into a personal battle-
ground of Robeson's own doing. It has become a cess-
pool of insults, invective, rationalizations leveled
by Robeson in an attempt to show Robeson never, ever
made any mistake...all mistakes are (in Robeson's
output) done by OTHERS. One needs only to look at all
the message thread titles CREATED BY ROBESON where he
practices his ugly invective storm und rang on all
who will not agree with him.

Do you wonder why THAT is...???

Nobody need "wonder" about Robeson's appearance in messages
here. He acts the textbook sociopath, fighting against all
who disagree with him in the slightest. Further, his output
of insults has the (again, textbook) flavor of "progression."
In "progression" he has tried to accuse his accusers of
doing the THE SAME MISDEEDS THAT ROBESON DOES. Robeson says
he "holds a mirror up to a person" but actually he is only
looking at himself in that mirror. Robeson describes
himself, not his accusers. [elementary Psychology 101 and
102 once required courses for a California EE degree]

Someday this newsgroup - if it survives - may actually
discuss POLICY in amateur radio. This week there have been
some ventures into that. However, in the main content of
this cesspool cum newsgroup, most of the topics and the
continuing battle of Robeson against everyone else. :-[

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Fri,Apr 29 2005 2:07 am

K=D8=88B wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

You had to go back three years to find
something you could hang on to, but nice job!

Nope, less than 2-1/2 years.

Actually you're guilty of only a modest exaggeration, but if Brian
or Len had
exaggerated something by a similar ratio you'd have labled them
"liars".

I wonder why that is?

If Brian or Lennie had such an error pointed out, there'd be a
six
month long rant on how licensing in Somalia or how Lennie single
handedly passsed 1.2 million messages at ADA in 1953.

1. Brian had simply mentioned he did some ham radio
from Somalia when he was on active duty, assigned
there. I saw no "discussion of licensing IN Somalia."

I've never seen anyone ask about rear area Army radio stations in
the 50's, Lennie, but you sure do let us know about it.
have ANY authority on that of any kind.
=3D
2. I've never claimed credit for "single-handedly passing
1.2 million" anything.

Your INITIAL claim, before everyone with a grade school mathematics
education put the numbers back in your face was that YOU were
responsible for this feat.

You only changed your story to "team" after a week of being hit
over the head with your silliness.

What I stated was an
APPROXIMATION of the number of message I was
RESPONSIBLE FOR TRANSMISSION as an OPERATING TEAM
LEADER...not in 1953 but rather late 1954 when I had
the rank (E-5) to BE an Operating Team Leader. It is
obvious to any rational mind that NO ONE PERSON could
possibly transmit 220 thousand messages a month over
a single radio station. That takes teamwork and ALL
on the team MUST do their part.

If could have been in ANY time era, Lennie...Your INITIAL "story"
was that YOU were responsible for this feat. "Teamwork" didn't enter
the picture until days later.

Nice try, though.

3. Saying you can read the future is itself a LIE.

I never said I could, Lennie.

I just acknowledged the error when it was shown and moved on.

That is (probably) the BIGGEST LIE of Robeson. Robeson
tries and tries and tries and tries to turn around ANY
accusation by misdirection, personal insult of others, and
general accusation of misdeeds by his accusers.

Ahhhhhhhhhh....I see....Saying that I realized I made a mistake and
accepting that fact is "misdirection"...

1. As an example, when pointed out to Robeson that the
Department of Defense does indeed DIRECT MARS, was
given the exact web link to that DIRECTIVE, spent over
two weeks of messaging AVOIDING his mistake in saying
"MARS IS amateur radio."

You're the one with the misdirection, Lennie.

I NEVER claimed that MARS was under anyone's direction other than
DoD.

I DID say that the same SPIRIT of AMATEUR RADIO was what made MARS
what it is.

Robeson could have simply
acknoledged that DIRECTIVE's existance and shut up on
the subject. He did NOT. If Robeson ever said so, he
hid that "acknowledgement" in a smokescreen of verbiage
(mostly garbiage) which still attempted to misdirect
the subject AND managed to level personal insults on
his accusers.

I'll end this reply right here since THAT claim by Lennie is the
very essence OF Lennie.

Leonard H. Anderson IS a pathological liar!

And putz....

Steve, K4YZ

From: "K4YZ" on Fri,Apr 29 2005 9:54 pm

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Fri,Apr 29 2005 2:07 am

K0HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

If Brian or Lennie had such an error pointed out, there'd be a
six
month long rant on how licensing in Somalia or how Lennie single
handedly passsed 1.2 million messages at ADA in 1953.

1. Brian had simply mentioned he did some ham radio
from Somalia when he was on active duty, assigned
there. I saw no "discussion of licensing IN Somalia."

I've never seen anyone ask about rear area Army radio stations in
the 50's, Lennie, but you sure do let us know about it.

Someone has to do it...poor Stevie NEVER did anything
close to such HF communications...as an amateur or
anything else.

Stevie fails to get the point: A half century ago,
the MAJOR message load throughout the U.S. military
was by teleprinter, NOT morse code. Way higher than
90% of ALL message "traffic" in the military. A HALF
CENTURY AGO.

Perhaps nearly a quarter million messages a MONTH is
not enough traffic in your fevered imagination? Tsk.
That kind of traffic was done by the third-largest
Army station in ACAN (later STARCOM, later the DCS
or Defense Communications System)...using the old
60 WPM rate teleprinters. "WAR" (actually RUEP at
Fort Detrick) handled over a MILLION messages per
month.

2. I've never claimed credit for "single-handedly passing
1.2 million" anything.

Your INITIAL claim, before everyone with a grade school
mathematics
education put the numbers back in your face was that YOU were
responsible for this feat.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. You still don't understand what the
word APPROXIMATION means. :-)

Neither transmitters nor receivers personnel kept a
count of the messages going and coming...we kept the
radio equipment OPERATING...most circuits being 24/7.
Traffic Analysis group at Control did the tallying,
primarily for administrative purposes and to gauge
the loading on the many and various radio paths to
the rest of the network. No more than about four,
two in Control (one being the Duty Officer on shift)
and two in the TTY Relay section.

OK, let's do an APPROXIMATION of the numbers based
on very brief data that appeared in the Pacific Stars
& Stripes military newspaper of 1955 (exact issue not
known, not that it matters except to certain pedantic
literalist morsemen)...that being 220,000 messages a
month average in 1955. Based on a 30 day month, that
works out to about 7333 messages a day average...
which is about 2444 messages (average) per 8-hour
shift...or 306 messages an hour (average) or 5
messages a minute (average)...all day, all night,
seven days a week, 52 weeks a year...continuous
traffic...stopped only for about 3 hours during a
solar storm some time in late 1955 (neither receivers
nor transmitters shut down, were on-line and waiting
but it gave the TTY Relay section a nice break time).

By the way, there's a nice mnemonic in "220" which is
also the APPROXIMATE number of teleprinters in the
TTY Relay section floor handling all the TTY in/out of
RUEP (the node identifier for Tokyo at the time).

My active duty time in the 8235th Army Unit (the "other"
identifier for my Signal Battalion) was three years.
So, given that I was actively responsible for my part
in handling all that traffic (none of us did it all on
our own) then, IF and only IF the 220 thousand per
month was an average for all three years, a total of
message traffic through ADA/RUEP was APPROXIMATELY
7.92 MILLION! An average PER YEAR would be 2.64
million. Now, if I were only directly, intimately,
hands-on like involved for 8 hours per day AVERAGE
that works out to a "mere" 880 thousand per year...
except I was there for three years so that AVERAGE
APPROXIMATE ESTIMATE (give or take) jumps back to
2.64 MILLION. [I do hope I haven't taxed your 16
neurons excessively on this so far...]

As to this "1.2 million" figure, that would be WRONG
IF and only IF TAKEN LITERALLY...IT HAS TO BE MORE!
My AVERAGE APPROXIMATE ESTIMATE was being very kind
to your one-op, one-transceiver amateur minds in
taking that 2.6 million down to roughly half. There
were some duties that involved simple maintenance,
testing, administrative duties, a couple of quick
equipment courses, etc., etc., that did NOT involve
DIRECT, HANDS-ON RESPONSIBILITY for keeping the
motto of GETTING THE MESSAGE THROUGH "live." For
example, in a month of duty exchange spent in Control
(to relieve another E-5 who was sick) my ON-LINE
RESPONSIBILITY was for a GREATER NUMBER than the
ones I ESTIMATED.

An EXACT tally is impossible. None of that was a
requirement. The only requirement was ABSOLUTE:
GET THE MESSAGES THROUGH. WE did. All of us in
our unit.

You only changed your story to "team" after a week of being hit
over the head with your silliness.

I used the term "team" for understanding by those
who have NOT been in that kind of communications.
WE used the term "trick chief" to denote a team
leader for operations and maintenance on a shift.
ADA transmitters had four teams working in a curious
12-day cycle of three days on each shift followed
by three days off. "Trick chiefs" were usually
E-5s with an E-4 as Assistant "trick chief."

the rank (E-5) to BE an Operating Team Leader. It is
obvious to any rational mind that NO ONE PERSON could
possibly transmit 220 thousand messages a month over
a single radio station. That takes teamwork and ALL
on the team MUST do their part.

If could have been in ANY time era, Lennie...Your INITIAL "story"
was that YOU were responsible for this feat. "Teamwork" didn't enter
the picture until days later.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. TEAMWORK was NECESSARY a half century
ago, always has been, still is (at least in USA and
USAF and USN military communications). The U.S.
Military is entirely PROFESSIONAL...not a bunch of
amateurs having fun in a hobby activity.


3. Saying you can read the future is itself a LIE.

I never said I could, Lennie.

Then why do you WRITE "what would be?" You don't
KNOW that your imaginings will take place.


I just acknowledged the error when it was shown and moved on.

That is (probably) the BIGGEST LIE of Robeson. Robeson
tries and tries and tries and tries to turn around ANY
accusation by misdirection, personal insult of others, and
general accusation of misdeeds by his accusers.

Ahhhhhhhhhh....I see....Saying that I realized I made a mistake
and
accepting that fact is "misdirection"...

Misdirection, personal insult of others, and a general
accusation of misdeeds by accusers. Google archives
are packed with your examples of NOT "acknowledging an
error and moving on!" :-)

I NEVER claimed that MARS was under anyone's direction other than
DoD.

I DID say that the same SPIRIT of AMATEUR RADIO was what made
MARS
what it is.

Bull**** squared. What Robeson wrote was -

"Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio."

The only "spirit" there is unwilling to come out in
the light of day. :-) MARS was "made what it is"
by the United States Army prior to World War 2...a
grandiose public relations thing "to get radio
amateurs [of the early 30s] involved with Army
radio communications." [from Army history as I
originally pointed out] After World War 2, the
USAF joined with USA and adopted the acronym of
MILITARY Affiliate Radio System. Note that
"amateur" does NOT appear in that name.

Civilian radio amateurs were NOT very active in
the pre-WW2 MARS (few volunteers who did not
contribute as much as the Army founders hoped).
Civilian radio amateurs were active in the post-
WW2 MARS, helping the morale effort of a generally
peacetime military scattered across the globe
through messages and "phone patches" stateside.
That dwindled after the "end" of the Vietnam War.
Today's military enjoys a much more DIRECT route
of communications through the DSN and Internet.

It's unfortunate (for the U.S. military) that
certain amateur radio publications have made
much more than reality of the "contributions"
to the "military" for so long...they have
brainwashed too many amateurs into thinking
they are the heart and soul of MARS. Amateurs
are NOT the heart and soul. Some volunteers
(not all) USE their volunteerism as a perverted
badge of herosim/patriotism as if they "serve"
the nation. The DoD still runs/directs/operates
MARS...and NOT ON the amateur radio bands.


Leonard H. Anderson IS
And putz....

Poor baby. Robeson just can't get through a
few minutes without insulting an "opponent."

Robeson CANNOT acknowledge that some have much
more experience IN radio communications than
he ever had. Rather than find out anything of
the various communications systems or organizations
he winds up doing PERSONAL INSULTS in lieu of
discussion on a SUBJECT. That's Robeson's
sickness demonstrated in here against all of his
opponents.

Robeson is the role model of today's amateur
extra?

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Fri,Apr 29 2005 9:54 pm

I've never seen anyone ask about rear area Army radio stations
in
the 50's, Lennie, but you sure do let us know about it.

Someone has to do it...poor Stevie NEVER did anything
close to such HF communications...as an amateur or
anything else.

Neither did you, Lennie.

You were a readio mechanic. Period. You were not a message
center clerk...You were not responsible for determining operating
frequencies, modes, etc.

If the box broke, you fixed it. Well done, but that doesn't make
you a radio OPERATOR.

Stevie fails to get the point: A half century ago,
the MAJOR message load throughout the U.S. military
was by teleprinter, NOT morse code. Way higher than
90% of ALL message "traffic" in the military. A HALF
CENTURY AGO.

Sure I get your point, Lennie...Here's a few for you:

(1) This forum is about Amateur Radio in the 21st century...Not
Army communications in the 1950's.

(2) YOU are the only one arguing about Morse Code-vs-teleprinter
traffic, Lennie. The rest of us moved on YEARS ago.

(3) You are still not licensed in nor have any practical
experience in AMATEUR RADIO communications. You continue to make
significant errors on matters of Amateur policy AND practice.

Your INITIAL claim, before everyone with a grade school
mathematics
education put the numbers back in your face was that YOU were
responsible for this feat.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. You still don't understand what the
word APPROXIMATION means.

Sure I do.

And no matter HOW you "APPROXIMATE" the numbers, all you were was
a radio mechanic. Sure, your efficiency in keeping the transmitters on
the air was important to the overall mission of ADA. But YOU were NOT
responsible for sending a single one of those messages...

Not a one!

Huge snip of Lennie's rationalization for having made a stupid
assertion and even more stupid tap dance around it...SNIPPED.

It hasn't worked in the years since you uttered it, it doesn't
work today.

Robeson CANNOT acknowledge that some have much
more experience IN radio communications than
he ever had.

But you have NEVER had experience IN "radio communications",
Lennie...THAT is by your OWN hand per your CV.

You have always been a black box technician...NEVER a radio
OPERATOR! Oh...yes...You pushed a button once that caused a
transponder on the mood to beep back at you...Almost as exciting as
pusing the car door remote.

On the otherhand, I have had over three DECADES of experience in
the very programs which YOU purport to be knowldegeable of.

Rather than find out anything of
the various communications systems or organizations
he winds up doing PERSONAL INSULTS in lieu of
discussion on a SUBJECT.

Old dead horse dragged out and re-subjected to yet another
whipping.

You are SO guilty of the same conduct, Lennie. Had you not STARTED
it, perhaps we'd be carrying on a different conversation today.

That's Robeson's
sickness demonstrated in here against all of his
opponents.

Untrue, but then you're not one to do well with facts.

Robeson is the role model of today's amateur
extra?

No more or no less than you are the role model of today's
electronics engineer.

Steve, K4YZ

From: "K4YZ" on Sun,May 1 2005 5:42 am

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Fri,Apr 29 2005 9:54 pm

I've never seen anyone ask about rear area Army radio stations
in
the 50's, Lennie, but you sure do let us know about it.

Someone has to do it...poor Stevie NEVER did anything
close to such HF communications...as an amateur or
anything else.

Neither did you, Lennie.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Poor Stebie...still envious AND
FRUSTRATED. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

You were a readio mechanic.

"Readio?" Reallio? :-)

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Primary MOS of Microwave Radio Relay
Operation and Maintenance Supervisor. Secondary MOS
of Fixed Station (transmitters) Radio Operation and
Maintenance Supervisor...and a few other little duties
such as Carrier Operation and Maintenance (not that
those Western Electric units had either drift or
failure). The VHF-UHF radio relay equipment operation
and maintenance fell under my primary MOS.

All official and everything...in my DD 214 and all the
records archived in St. Louis...not to mention posted
on Harold Hallikainen's website and also mentioned on
Walter Welkin's website for USAEUR post-WW2 Army
history. Hal is a ham, by the way. And, in that
vein, Gene Rosenbaum, N2JTV, is not only still a ham
but was also there - in my Battalion at the same time
at the same station - doing the same thing I did on
another operating team. [sunnuvagun!]

Period. You were not a message
center clerk...You were not responsible for determining operating
frequencies, modes, etc.

Tsk, tsk. The Chief Signal Officer, Washington DC,
did that sort of deciding for ALL involved in ACAN -
STARCOM - DCS and still does for all the alphabet
soup organization evolvement that followed after the
1960s.

If the box broke, you fixed it.

...or sent it to the Depot. Depended on the "broke"
condition. Did you ever "fix" a TWO-TON HV
TRANSFORMER (cast iron case, lots of iron in the
core, much copper, etc., full of PCB liquid)? :-)

No sweat to the murine corpse...a murine could hold
it in one hand and still be able to sing about "shores
of tripoli." Lots of 40 KW MARS transmitters in the
the 1st Marine Air Wing, right? :-)

Well done, but that doesn't make
you a radio OPERATOR.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. You go argue with Chief of Signals
(new title invoked by previous general) in DC and
have the Army "revise" all those MOSs to conform to
the wishes of Stebie da Wundermarine.

In 24/7 COMMUNICATIONS we didn't PLAY at HF radio
like it was a hobby, some kind of recreation.
WE GOT THE MESSAGE THROUGH. That requires
OPERATION as well as maintenance. OPERATION
AT THE TIMES REQUIRED. MINIMUM DOWNTIME.
With every QSY a radio circuit was DOWN until the
new frequency was set, tuned, and checked by
Frequency Standards for carrier and shift. All
the while the messages routed through that circuit
were being stacked up, unable to be transmitted.
That was worse with the SSB circuits carrying 6
to 12 TTY channels simultaneously.


Stevie fails to get the point: A half century ago,
the MAJOR message load throughout the U.S. military
was by teleprinter, NOT morse code. Way higher than
90% of ALL message "traffic" in the military. A HALF
CENTURY AGO.

Sure I get your point, Lennie...Here's a few for you:

Tsk...I'm only giving you ONE finger. :-)

(1) This forum is about Amateur Radio in the 21st century...Not
Army communications in the 1950's.

TSK, TSK, TSK, NURSIE!

1. This forum is NOT for Stebie's experiences with
the Commanding General of the First Marine Air
Wing in NINETINE EIGHTY ONE!!! [24 years ago]

2. This forum is NOT for Stebie's BRAGS of mighty
murine service in 'SEVEN HOSTILE ACTIONS!'

3. This forum is NOT for Stebie's BRAGS of prowess
in SUTURING or about his "medical qualifications."

4. This forum is NOT for Stebie's continuing
refusal to admit that MARS is NOT "run by
amateurs." MARS is run by the MILITARY.

5. This forum is NOT about MARS at all, although
the ASSIGNED MARS frequencies are OUTSIDE
the ham bands. [sunnuvagun!]

(2) YOU are the only one arguing about Morse Code-vs-teleprinter
traffic, Lennie. The rest of us moved on YEARS ago.

BULL****. Don't you PCTAs give that song and dance.
You PCTAs can't dance and your singing voices are as
flat as the 1930's attempted revival of vaudeville.

You MIGHTY MACHO MORSEMEN just CANNOT admit that TTY
was already downsizing manual morse a half century
ago. Sucks to be retrograde recreators of ancient
times, doesn't it?

(3) You are still not licensed in nor have any practical
experience in AMATEUR RADIO communications.

TSK, TSK, TSK. I'm a PROFESSIONAL in radio, have been
since 1953. :-)

Maybe ANOTHER radio license...for hobby/recreational
fun and games - like amateur radio - would be nice in
retirement. shrug

But...if all you hard-ass anal-retentive retrogrades
have to engage in the Control Freak harrassment like
amateur DILL SERGEANTS trying to treat "lesser
classes" like maggot recruits...y'all can just shove
it up your collective asses. It's a wonder that
ANYONE bothers to get into modern ham radio with all
you wannabe Chiefs making your smoke signals of
mighty radio "operation."

You continue to make
significant errors on matters of Amateur policy AND practice.

BULL****. YOU do NOT set what is "right" and
what is "wrong."

OPINIONS are expressed in here and everyone's OPINION
is THEIRS, neither "right" nor "wrong." Except you
and a few other retrograde PCTAs HAVE to jump in with
ERROR! ERROR! on every OPINION contrary to yours.

And no matter HOW you "APPROXIMATE" the numbers, all you were was
a radio mechanic.

TSK, TSK, TSK. There goes the EX-marine mouthing off
again...trying to call the entire U.S. Army Signal Corps
"wrong." :-)

Stebie KNOWS ALL ABOUT MILITARY COMMUNICATIONS?!?!?

From WHAT experience? As a helo ground support
person at a landing field? Did the marines have
pigeon messaging (pigeons fly)? Tsk, the Army
gave that up right after WW One.

Sure, your efficiency in keeping the transmitters on
the air was important to the overall mission of ADA.

NO, no...THE ENTIRE MISSION OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY.

"ADA" did NOT have "a mission." The 8235th Army
Unit had a "mission." "ADA" was a callsign of the
radio facility...RUEP was the TTY identifier for
the Tokyo node within ACAN.

But YOU were NOT
responsible for sending a single one of those messages...

Not a one!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH A
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA H
HEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEEH...gasp, BWARHAH
ahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Baby Stebie READ ALL THOSE MESSAGES TO PROVE THAT?

Tsk, tsk, tsk...messages were not the ONLY content
of Army Communications a half century ago OR now.
Stebie, from his VAST (well, half) EXPERIENCE in
24/7 military communications doesn't know **** from
order-wires. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

No problem, can't expect this Mighty Morseman to
understand a damn thing about HF communications
other than AMATEUR hobby/recreational radio of
one operator, one radio kind of thing.

Huge snip of Lennie's rationalization for having made a stupid
assertion and even more stupid tap dance around it...SNIPPED.

Tsk, tsk, tsk..."snipped" because little Stebie
doesn't have experience one on military communications
on HF, doesn't know the organization, doesn't know the
procedures, doesn't even know tap dancing...yet he tap
dances all the time in countless BRAGS of prowess.


But you have NEVER had experience IN "radio communications",
Lennie...THAT is by your OWN hand per your CV.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. STILL don't believe OR understand
what REAL communications is about, do you? All
you know is what you read in the AMATEUR radio
publications.

You have always been a black box technician...NEVER a radio
OPERATOR!

Tsk. Poor Stebie. Angry and frustrated...still
making the typos when furious (see following).

Oh...yes...You pushed a button once that caused a
transponder on the mood to beep back at you...Almost as exciting as
pusing the car door remote.

Tsk. I've never known any "transponder" to have
"moods."

That's just a rationalization of humans. Electrons,
fields, and waves obey their OWN laws and totally
ignore the wishes of humans...or aliens who make
their pledges "for the corps, God, and country"
(in that order).

"Just pushing a button?!?" Tsk, tsk. BC-610s
(the ones in the AN/GRC-26 huts) could NOT be
operated by simple "button pushing." :-) Not
even the clumsy T-195 having Collins Autotune and
and an automatic antenna tuner (USMC development
contract in 1953, operational in 1955) could be
operated by a simple "button push." :-)

I started in HF radio in the vacuum tube era.
The ONLY transmitter that came close to just
"pushing a button" was the Western Electric LD-T2,
a commercial SSB 4 KW PEP HF transmitter that
could "tune itself" to any of 10 preset frequencies
(minimizing down time on QSYs). But, poor Stebie
NEVER would have been allowed near the actual
presetting of 12 potentiometers per frequency or
of checking the distortion of the 12 KHz spectral
bandwidth of that commercial SSB.

On the otherhand, I have had over three DECADES of experience in
the very programs which YOU purport to be knowldegeable of.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH A
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA H
HEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEEH...gasp, BWARHAH
ahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

The WEEKEND WARRIOR doing his thing in AMATEUR radio
and playing like he be Chief of Signals of the
Amateur Radio Corps!

Stebie, cut the bull****. I began in HF radio
before you were born. I've both OPERATED and
DESIGNED and BUILT (protoype) radios over MORE of
the EM spectrum than amateurs have been allowed
to in the 71 year life of the FCC.

Stebie did 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, for
"three decades" as an AMATEUR?!?!?

Guess Stebie was NOT in "the Corps" then...USMC
doesn't want HOBBYISTS defending the country...
USMC is a PROFESSIONAL military branch.

Guess Stebie was NOT in "nursing" earning his
"needles" in marvelous suture closures...nursing
is supposed to be professional, not amateur...but
Stebie allatime wanna link his "medicine" to
RADIO!!!

Rather than find out anything of
the various communications systems or organizations
he winds up doing PERSONAL INSULTS in lieu of
discussion on a SUBJECT.

Old dead horse dragged out and re-subjected to yet another
whipping.

Tsk. I've never called Stebie "a dead horse." The
BACK END of one, yes, but DEAD only in his mind and
ego. Tsk, tsk.

You are SO guilty of the same conduct, Lennie.

Poor baby. Can't take it, can you? Great big heroic
Gunnery Nurse just can't stand any opinion opposite
to his own?

Had you not STARTED
it, perhaps we'd be carrying on a different conversation today.

1. I didn't "start" anything but an opposition to
the morse code test for an AMATEUR radio license.

2. The resident retrograde PCTAs in here STARTED
all the snide bull**** about "needing" a code
test to be "qualified" to operate an HF radio.
[that's all archived...begin with KH2D]

3. I began and was QUALIFED to operate high-power HF
transmitters in 1953...haven't bothered much to
get AUTHORIZATION to do so as an amateur...even
though I've legally operated on HF (last year,
from a sailboat, SSB 20 W PEP) without ANY radio
license. Sunnuvagun!

4. ALL of radio - except for a minority who still
live by 1930s standards and practices in amateur
radio - has advanced since I began 52 years ago
and keeps on advancing. That minority still
thinks that morsemanship is an absolute necessity
to operate below 30 MHz...all newcomers gots to
do dat to "show dedication and committment to
the amateur service!!!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH A
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA H
HEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEEH...gasp, BWARHAH
ahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

That's Robeson's
sickness demonstrated in here against all of his
opponents.

Untrue, but then you're not one to do well with facts.

Tsk, tsk, tsk!!! Google has the archives of Stebie's
SOCIOPATHIC (with overtones of psychosis) behavior
against ALL who oppose his opinions! Everyone in
here has seen it. The "projection" is evident to
anyone with a memory...projection of himself on others
when trying to blame them for the faults Stebie has.

Stebie tries very hard to make EVERY thread in this
newsgroup about HIM. Stebie gots too much time on
his hands...doesn't leave enough time for playing
with his radio set.

"If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck and
has feathers like a duck, chances are very good that
it IS a duck!" So...Stebie snarls like a sociopath,
looks like a sociopath (scowls in every photo), has
the thin skin of a sociopath...chances are very good
Stebie IS Robeson is the role model of today's amateur
extra?

No more or no less than you are the role model of today's
electronics engineer.

Now, now, don't try for the sharp retort...you keep
breaking all that glass and you retorts don't hold
water. You kept saying (in addition to "PUTZ") that
I was "nothing but a bench technician and NEVER an
engineer!" [it's in Google archives several times]

Don't add HYPOCRITE to your faults. TRY for
consistency.

I do NOT try to be any "role model of an engineer."
I am one. Have been for a long time...since 1960
when I got my first design assignment at Micro-
Radionics, Inc. [that's OVER three decades :-)]
I've NOT behaved in your manner to others in
engineering, not even in Design Reviews (as both
a subject and as a reviewer). It is impossible
to be so ONE-SIDED and stubborn as you've shown
in these "discussions" and still hold a job. I've
held my jobs, never been fired or "told to leave."
I've attended many a night class in college-level,
college-credit courses while still holding my day
job...and never been told those college classes
were "useless" or that "I was stupid and had to
take them." Yes, I did NOT have the finances
to attend college full-time, all years at once
early in life, but that didn't stop me from
learning enough on my own to continue with DESIGN
engineering before the very late degree award.
I've never met any periodical editor in-person yet
have a 96% sell rate on all submitted manuscripts
and was ASKED to be an Associate Editor for HR.
Ham Radio magazine was in existance for 22 years
as an independent, income solely from advertising
yet Stebie expresses the opinion it was a "loser."

Tsk. Stebie runs to emotional extremes, thinks I
"have to be published in professional journals"
to "make my name." Actually, I have, but Stebie
doesn't read them. Doesn't stop Stebie from yet
more insults. I have written documents in public
view plus living witnesses as to what I've done,
but Stebie has only vague brags and "references"
such as "write the CG of 1st MAW" about his 1981
"assignment." Yeah, right, as if 24 years is a
normal Commanding General's tour of duty at ONE
assignment? :-)

Today's (and yesterday's) engineers all know that
electrons, fields, and waves obey physical laws,
not the whims of humankind. Yesterday's (and
even today) engineers looked/look to a future with
an advancement of the state of the radio and
electronics art. All of radio (except the minds
of retrograde worshippers of the amateur past)
has either abandoned morse code or never
considered it for new radio services. Retrogrades
see NOTHING wrong with freezing the past...THEY
made it and, by damn, every newbie MUST sweat and
work and "show dedication" like THEY did! Like
ham radio is NOT a hobby? :-)

The name of this newsgroup's game seems to be
junior high name-calling, posturing and
preening over "seven hostile actions" and other
wannabe stuff. [try for "HALO drop" one of the
classic pipe-dreams of Stebie] Makes it even
tougher for any newcomer to show interest in any
hobby radio when all these middle-school drop-
outs wanna be the Dill Instructor, closing the
main gate to all but "their kind." :-)