From: "bb" on Sat,May 21 2005 3:59 pm

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From: "bb" on Thurs,May 19 2005 3:05 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
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Stebie will probably babble about "calling the VA" for
"verification" on that.

Steve either has documentation or he doesn't. And if he
doesn't, his
words come back to haunt him once more. No documentation means
you
never did it.

No haunting, Brain.

Hi! Then produce your documentation.

Tsk. Stebie doesn't have any. Claims, brags, hot air, yes.

NO PROOF.

Even if his references could confirm his claims, it's likely they
wouldn't. There's a reason he was the "A" NCOIC.

Brian, it doesn't matter in HERE.

Stebie will "come back" with "you are LYING" and make some kind of
dire implication "to reveal all to your wife" or some other
nonsense and just ignore production of actual proof. Stebie will
name-call, insult, denigrate anyone demanding that HE produce any
proof and that will be that. It's a standard Bluff.


The "haunting", here, is you refusing to act on the
information
provided you.

I don't act on "hot" tips.

Produce authentic documentation.

Stebie no got them. Tsk.

Hmmmm? No docs = lies. His rules, his logic, his embarassment.

Mere "details," Brian. Those are all "in his wallet" and "he
doesn't
have to show them" to anybody. :-)


Dates...times...places...callsigns....

Yes! Authentic documentation with dates, times, places and names.

Got any?

He no got.

Then he one sorry sack of excrement. Stinking to high heaven.

Not in Stebieland. He be perfumed there. :-)


You know...those little things called "facts"...(I know
that's a
new concept for you...deal with it though...)

Exactly!!! Facts. Got any?

No proof. Zero. Zip. Nada.

That's a problem. That's a huge problem, ...an insurmountable
problem.

Just what does he think we'll accept without authentic
documentation???

His "word!" insert several lines of hyena laffing in here

:-)


Jim served in "other" ways.

You and Lennie brag about having been Veterans, however you
seem
to have a problem with understanding exactly what being a veteran
is
and what it stands for.

The last five Presidents of the United States seem to have
had a
clear vision of volunteerism...and also about "service".

In all of Title 47 C.F.R., the term "service" is a regulatory
one denoting the type and kind of radio activity being
regulated. Stebie doesn't understand that. He thinks that
the amateur service is some kind of "national service" or
"service to the country." :-)

In that case, the Citizens Band Radio SERVICE will have all radio
amateurs outnumbered by a large ratio. :-)

He's talking about the guys driving 1982 Subaru station wagons with
"save da mediteranean fruit fly" and rainbow bumper stickers.

I think that Stebie's fanciful imagination was working overtime when
he got to the "presidential service" bit! :-)

Since FDR's time, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter,
Reagan, Nixon, Ford, and G.H.W. Bush *ALL* served in the U.S.
military
but long before Stebie's alleged USMC "career." That's NINE U.S.
Presidents. I don't think any one of them had an amateur radio
license!

Clinton did NOT serve IN the U.S. military and Dubya never got
beyond the Air Guard. I don't think either one of them had an
amateur radio license. But Stebie gots an Extra AMATEUR license
so he is "comparable" in "service" to at least NINE U.S.
Presidents!!!

Geezus H. Cottonpicker, Stebie done stretched things out so FAR
that his comparison rubber BROKE. Stebie has SNAPPED.

This Memorial Day I'll do what I think on HONORING the veterans
of the United States military. You have and I have. I will
mention Cpl Elmer Hardy and Capt Jim Tomlinson, both gone
suddenly on the 1st of July, 1950, both members of *MY* Signal
Battalion (the one I served in). I will HONOR them and the
other 18 members of MY Battalion who lost their lives in the
same crash in Korea...sent there from the "rear-area" of Japan
by Gen MacArthur to improve communications after the North
Koreans invaded South Korea.

Stebie is going to say I "dishonor" them by mentioning them.
He has stated that before and that is just as damnably FALSE
as anything he has ever babbled. Normally I would have told
Stebie ("Mr. Seven Hostile Actions") to Go To Hell. He is
already there. Scroom.

Indeed. Jim could have volunteered to serve in the Unites States
Military. He had other more important things to do like pursue a
degree in engineering, and looking out for himself. And the
military
still needs engineers, even if they are civilians. Go to
WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV and select "Middle East."

Doesn't matter. Jimmie Noserve is an EXPERT on the military.
He KNOWS how military men feel/act/etc. Jimmie can "correct"
any veterans' "mistakes." He's read several books on the
subject...

Jimmy is Mr. Fiction. "No Experience = Shut-Up" according to da
double
standard.

Jimmie Noserve never worked any REAL radio communications beyond
amateur hobby stuff. He never took any Oath on being inducted
and never even got to "dine with the Captain" (on an aircraft
carrier) and being "served by drudges." He never ever had any
worries that anyone on the "other side" would harm his precious
being. He could sit back and laff and laff at the "errors" of
getting wrong USSR aircraft nomenclature and poke fun at no-coders
doing REAL COMMUNICATIONS just a few flying hours away from
hostiles.


I'm good with volunteerism in the U.S. armed services. Tell Jim to
let
us know how it's going when he gets there.

Now THAT will be INTERESTING! :-)

Highly, highly unlikely. Guys like Jim have no problem letting guys
like you, me, and Steve take the risks. They set way, way back and
make the calls.

They are the "elite" and shouldn't risk their precious bodies in
any way. We are the "drudges" that Kellie talks about, the lower
class, not near as ELITE as the No-Serves.

Later on you learn that they gave blood at the ARC Bloodmobile on the
third Thursday and are very, very good with it all. They "served" in
other ways. Cheers with a little glass of OJ. Hi!

I'll follow "Kizzie's salute" and spit in THEIR O.J. Foggem!

A respectful salute to you, Brian, as one veteran to another.

"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing
in order to "win an argument." "

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He could sit back and laff and laff at the "errors" of
getting wrong USSR aircraft nomenclature

Do you mean this sort of thing, Len?

Are you admitting you made mistakes?

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Jimmie got as far as looking up Bear bombers in some book.

Naw, just the Internet. Found out they weren't a threat to Len when
he
was in Japan.

Sunuvagun!

Tsk. You seem to be saying there were NO Soviet bombers in
range of Japan in the 1950s?

That's wrong (again), Leonard. He is saying that Soviet "Bear"
bombers
could not have been a threat to you during your military service in
Japan, despite what you indicated here.

Here's exactly what Len wrote about "Bear" bombers:

From: Len Over 21 )
Subject: 34 Years Ago Today
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Date: 2002-12-08 21:01:08 PST

"The distance between Chongjin, North Korea and Tokyo (where
I was assigned) is about 500 air miles. The distance between
Vladivostok, USSR, was about the same distance. That's about
an hour's flight in a Bear (NATO name for a Soviet bomber). Less
time of flight now with jet turbine aircraft."

Note that Len doesn't actually say there were any Bear bombers in
Vladivostok
or Chongjin at the time, or that he ever saw any, etc. But the
implication that
he was in some sort of imminent danger from them is clear.

Here's what I wrote in response:


I think you missed some relevant points, Dave. Len's reference to the
"Bear" bomber might lead the unsuspecting to think he was in some sort
of danger from them while in Japan. However:

- The airline distance from Chongjin, North Korea to Tokyo is at least
670 statute miles. The distance from Vladivostok to Tokyo is 663
statute
miles. (Source: "Esso War Map III, Featuring The Pacific Theater",
printed 1944).

- For interesting info on the Tupolev TU-95, and its variants, known
to NATO as the "Bear", see:

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/bomber/tu-95.htm

which tells us that:

- Development of the TU-95/"Bear" began in June, 1951.

- First flight of the first prototype, November, 1952.

- Production began January, 1956.

- First deployment August, 1957.

- Four turboprop engines driving counterrotating propellers.
"Turboprop" refers to jet turbine engines driving propellers.

- Len left Japan before any TU-95s were deployed.

Therefore, they were no threat at all to him when he was in Japan.
Also, the
distances and flight times were greater than he stated.

As with your well known
"Sphincter Post", it leads some of us to question your character.

It just leads me to question Len's grasp of objective reality.

What's curious about the Sphincter Post is that it's a direct insult to
the
military service of a member of the Coast Guard, who served as a
radioman in
Hawaii and who described some experiences while serving. Yet Len was
never in
the Coast Guard and never did the kind of radio operating he
criticizes.

More telling, however, is Len's classic "Feldwebel Post" in which he
told you
(Dave) to "shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel".

In just one short sentence, Len manages to violate Godwin's Law, insult
a
branch of the US military, attempt to deny someone their First
Amendment
rights, uses a mild profanity, tries to act as the moderator of an
unmoderated
newsgroup, and arguably makes an ethnic slur in the mix.

As we often say where I work:

"Everybody's good at *something*.

The bile on rrap comes from the three-way Steve/Len/Wiliam whizzing
contest. You all must get something from it, because you sure put a
lot of effort into it.

Tsk. Rev. Jim is readying another Sermon on the Antenna Mount?

Jim states a fact. Don't you have an acceptable response?

Acceptable to whom? Len sees nothing unacceptable in his behavior, but
finds
the behavior of certain others to be unacceptable to him. In the above
example,
it is perfectly acceptable (to Len) for him to imply that he was in
constant,
imminent danger from TU-95s while he was in Japan, but completely
unacceptable
for me to point out that there were no TU-95s deployed anywhere until
after he
left.

Rev. Jim "puts a lot of effort" into making SURE that all those
he thinks need "corrections" get those "corrections!" QED.

Takes very little effort on my part. Len makes so many mistakes here
that I
don't try to correct all of them.

What has that to do with your whizzing contest?

Nothing.

btw, Len, a little googling turned up the fun fact that Steve began
calling you a putz back on August 6, 1999 - if not earlier. Of
course
you had previously made a habit of calling him "nursie" and other
names, and referring to him by the wrong gender.

Tsk. You are still being Judge and Jury via Google, aintfcha?

:-)

Jim is? Not at all, Leonard. Your archived words and the dates on
which you posted them are archived. It is proof of your actions. In
this case, things didn't happen the way you claim they did.

When Rev. Jim runs out of arguments in the present, he MUST
resort to Googling to "prove" something.

Len constantly rehashes the past, then is angered by and abusive of
those who
present conflicting information disproving his assertions.

Most importantly, Len cannot seem to get Steve to stop calling him a
putz.

...and it looks like the Google archives of newsgroup posts did just
that. The archive seems to prove that version of events is not
correct.

Which is why Len switches to name-calling and excessive emoticons. He's
been
shown to be mistaken, which is simply unacceptable.

Jimmie thinks he can "win" some past arguments by repeating and
rehashing OLD ones?

The facts speak for themselves.

When you start the "Jimmie" stuff, it is obvious that he has zapped
you
good. You made a recent statement and issued it as a factual account
of
something which took place. The trouble is, the Google archives say
otherwise.

The amusing part is that Len talks about "the past" more than anyone
else here,
then gets angry when his version of events is shown to be somewhat
unreliable
or incomplete (to put it mildly).

Of course...if for no other reason that Jimmie
Must Be Right in his own mind. Subject itself be damned,
concentrate
on defaming the opponent in order to "win." Tsk.

Posting of facts is "defaming the opponent"?

Diversion on your part. If you didn't want to be batted around on
this
issue, you could have refrained from, "Well, HE started it".

Perhaps you need to try some new techniques if you want him to
stop.

Ah...you must have run out of damp hankies to slap folk on the
wrist as self-styled moderator! :-)

When did it become Jim's job to regulate Steve?

But I don't think you want him to stop.

Doesn't really matter to me. There will ALWAYS be some yo-yo
out there who can't argue a subject for squat and does the
personal
insult thing in order to "win an argument." :-) Those are
alleasy
marks. Plenty of them. :-)

If anyone would know, you'd know.

You don't want anyone else doing what you do.

Let's remember that phrase, shall we?

"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing
in
order to "win an argument." "

That's pretty much a fair description of what Len does here.

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"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult
thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Len, this proves he hangs on your every word. Hi!

From: "bb" on Mon,May 23 2005 4:53 pm

wrote:


"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult
thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Len, this proves he hangs on your every word. Hi!

Not a complement, tsk. Jimmie has "hung" himself enough
already in here. He may have run out of "rope?"

Lately he has desired REOPENING three-year-old postings
to ARGUE those postings all over again. Oh, my. Can't
let the past be past, can he?

Computer-modem communications must be his LIFE now?

bb wrote:
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"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult

thing

in order to "win an argument." "


Len, this proves he hangs on your every word. Hi!

Doesn't look that way to me. It would appear that Len has been hung by
his very words.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:



"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult

thing

in order to "win an argument." "


Len, this proves he hangs on your every word. Hi!

Doesn't look that way to me. It would appear that Len has been hung by
his very words.

Dave K8MN

How's Six Meters? Heard any out of band Frenchmen?

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

bb wrote:

wrote:




"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult

thing


in order to "win an argument." "


Len, this proves he hangs on your every word. Hi!

Doesn't look that way to me. It would appear that Len has been hung by
his very words.

Dave K8MN


How's Six Meters? Heard any out of band Frenchmen?

Why would you like to know? Are you operational on 6m?

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

bb wrote:

wrote:




"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult

thing


in order to "win an argument." "


Len, this proves he hangs on your every word. Hi!

Doesn't look that way to me. It would appear that Len has been hung by
his very words.

Dave K8MN


How's Six Meters? Heard any out of band Frenchmen?

Why would you like to know? Are you operational on 6m?

Dave K8MN

Just wondering if you're still working out of band Frenchmen on six
meters or if you've curbed your enthusiasm for illegal pileups at any
cost?

From: on Mon,May 23 2005 3:57 am



"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult
thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Oh, oh! Reverend Jim issued a Sermon On The Antenna Mount! :-)

Not only that, the poor guy is still furious over NOT "winning"
a newsgroup argument THREE YEARS AGO! :-)

Not only that, the "argument" wasn't even about RADIO!

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

"RADIO" includes all of the HF portion of the EM spectrum. That's
where the major international communications networks WERE in
the 1950s. I was part of that - for three years - as a
volunteer in the United States Army...operating HF transmitters
for an Army station. A "small" station, only the third largest
in the worldwide Army net at the time, just 36 transmitters
ranging from 1 to 15 KW in 1953 (43, up to 40 KW in 1956) and
none of them using OOK CW modes. That station was located in
Japan, specifically a few miles outside of Tokyo. 24/7 ops
attached directly to the Far East Command Headquarters, then
in Tokyo...continuous links to Seoul, Pusan, Okinawa, Manila,
Saigon, Anchorage, Seattle, Hawaii, San Francisco plus local
HF nets all throughout the Kanto Plain of Honshu Island.

In early 1953 there was still a state of War between the
United Nations and North Korea although a truce was
imminent (that would settle into a "permanent" Truce in
July, 1953). I had voluntarily enlisted in the Army on
13 March 1952...when there was still active warfare in
Korea. My assignment to the Far East was ordered by the
Army and not subject to my approval or disapproval...one goes
where assigned or one goes where the penitentiary is (after a
court martial).

Army duty required a continuous practice on soldiering skills
regardless of one's military occupation specialty. In addition
to that, there were continuing updates on emergency and
contingency plans plus operational tests of same. Note the
location of Japan to the easternmost parts of the USSR, then
an adversary in the "Cold War." The USSR then possessed the
atomic bomb.

Since I was in the Signal Corps and working on/with radio
communications, my unit was NOT briefed on the overall
military capabilities of the Soviet Union to the detail
outlined in the Janes books. We had one simple directive
in the case of military conflict: "Close with, and destroy
the enemy." We were all reminded of that in the regular
training sessions of Provisional Infantry Platoon ("PIP")
practice, along with "you are soldiers FIRST and signalmen
second." We were NOT given any of the movie-style
practice on identifying Soviet aircraft from little models
or silouettes...nor were we instructed in operation of
anti-aircraft defense (there were other units for that
purpose).

While all that was going on, station ADA kept on 24/7
operations at a rate of nearly a quarter million messages
a month through its facilities...thousands of miles from
the United States of America. Was FEC Hq "in danger" from
its "rear-area location?" Depends on what you "4F" types
want to call "danger" from your safe locations in the states.

Now, did I make a "mistake" on calling out Soviet "Bear"
bomber types in 1953? Yes. In the 49 years from 1953 to
2002 (date of your target "example" message) I've seen a
LOT of statistics and information on Soviet military power.
If I needed to be SPECIFIC, then I would go look up the
EXACT thing. But...Soviet aircraft was NOT in my "line of
work" in 1953 to 1956. Radio was. HF radio...and VHF,
UHF, and microwave radio. RADIO, Jimmie. RADIOS that must
operate 24/7, "getting the message through." I made NO
"mistakes" there.

You want to sit safe at your computer and scoff and scoff
and show how "expert" you are in military and political
matters...and NEVER having served in any government post
or military in REAL SERVICE for your country. You want to
"tell me how it is" in the military without wearing a
uniform, taking any induction oath, or being shipped out
of the country to some foreign base. You want to attempt
humiliation all because you are still "suffering" from not
winning some "message battle" years ago. Poor baby.

Jimmie boy, there's NO indication that you EVER worked IN
radio...or in aerospace...and you want to be an "expert
guru type" on that. You've not worked AT the FCC, you've
not worked AT the ARRL, you are NOT in the judiciary, yet
you try to speak as if you were all of that. All you seem
to have is long "tenure" in amateur radio NEWSGROUP MESSAGING.
Hours and hours and hours of that. More than I have.

On Memorial Day you WILL be remembered. We veterans all
remember the anti-military civilians who like to spit on
military people one way or another, SAFE in their un-
touched communities expressing contempt for anyone who
has served via the Internet.

Amateur radio is a hobby activity carried on for the purpose
of personal enjoyment. It is, in part, a technological
endeavor involving the laws of physics, regulated by the
government because ALL radio works by those same physical
laws. Amateur radio is NOT a fifth branch of the armed
forces. Ham operators are NOT "serving their country"
any more than stamp collectors or bird watchers or other
hobbyists. Try to keep from translating your amateur
radio license form into a DD-214.

Here's my "salute" to you, Jimmie Noserve, on this upcoming
Memorial Day: middle finger upraised

Temper fry...


ex-RA16408336, USA, Signal Corps (1952-1956)

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Here's my "salute" to you, Jimmie Noserve, on this upcoming
Memorial Day: middle finger upraised


Looks like Len chased down a large helping of anchovies with a bad bottle of
Chardonnay!

dit dit

de Hans, K0HB