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May 27th 05, 10:30 PM

wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:35 pm

wrote:
From: on Mon,May 23 2005 3:57 am

"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Oh, oh! Reverend Jim issued a Sermon On The Antenna Mount! :-)

Not only that, the poor guy is still furious over NOT "winning"
a newsgroup argument THREE YEARS AGO! :-)

Not only that, the "argument" wasn't even about RADIO!

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

"RADIO" includes all of the HF portion of the EM spectrum. That's
where the major international communications networks WERE in
the 1950s. I was part of that - for three years - as a
volunteer in the United States Army...operating HF transmitters
for an Army station.

In Jim's circles, there is no "volunteering." You get bad grades and
your waiver goes away. Then the Draftsman comes knocking.

Tsk, the "knocking" stopped about 32 years ago. Jimmie has NO
worry. He could sit back in comfortable safety in PA and read
all about the military and international realpolitik without
once having participated in anything.

How many Soviet aircraft did you see when you were in Japan in the
1950s, Len?

He became a Virtual
military expert without once being IN any branch or working in
any office of the Department of Defense.

I don't claim to be an expert in anything.

You've never been "IN" amateur radio, yet you want to tell us How It
Should Be.

Getting to the heart of the matter, Jimmie feels TERRIBLY "insulted"
when one doesn't like what Jimmie likes.

Not true. You're the one who calls people names, and tells them to shut
up
if they don't agree with you.

[he is regularly bringing up old, faded postings from Google as
if to continue to "do battle" on those topics forever and ever]

Gee, Len, you bring up even older and more faded stuff about defunct
ham radio magazines and your experiences of a half-century ago. Why
is it OK for you to rehash events of 20, 30, 50 years ago, but not
OK for others to remind you of the events of 2 or 3 years past?

Seems like a double standard on your part.

Jimmie wants NUMBERS? He is regularly giving some sort of
tabulation
on the "valid licenses" of radio amateurs in the USA.

No, I'm not. You're mistaken, Len. Wrong again.

The numbers I post here twice a month are those of current, unexpired
FCC amateur licenses held by individuals. That's stated in each post.
The word
valid is not used to describe them.

You've claimed that FCC doesn't use the word "expired" to describe
licenses in the grace period, but Part 97 shows that you're wrong on
that.

However, he
has not described the sorting program used or which download of the
FCC database used as a base of that tabulation. [slightly over
three quarters of a million records to process]

So? You've posted the numbers from hamdata.com without describing how
they are generated.

We are to accept
his NUMBERS as "correct" because Jimmie never makes mistakes. All
others, ESPECIALLY those challenging him, always "make mistakes."

That's just not true, Len.

Most folks would accept some website that regularly downloads the
huge FCC amateur database, sorts it, and presents gross totals.

Then why don't you accept the numbers I post?

Not Jimmie. He wants "massaged" NUMBERS, showing only the "valid"
licensees..."valid" in HIS viewpoint.

Nope.

The numbers I post come from a website that regularly downloads the
huge FCC amateur database, sorts it, and presents gross totals. All I
do is copy them and post them here.

No "massaging".

Jimmie needs MASSAGING
of those NUMBERS in order to "show us" something...and thus we get
the INTERPRETATIONS of those "valid" numbers.

How? The numbers are what they are.

I especially like his "reason" for maintaining the code test for
all amateurs having below-30-MHz operating privileges: "Morse
code is the SECOND-most popular mode on HF, therefore the code
test 'deserves' to remain!"

I'm glad you like it, Len. It's a really good, valid reason to keep a
test of basic Morse Code skill for an amateur radio license.

May 28th 05, 01:59 AM

wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:35 pm

wrote:
From: on Mon,May 23 2005 3:57 am

"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Oh, oh! Reverend Jim issued a Sermon On The Antenna Mount! :-)

Not only that, the poor guy is still furious over NOT "winning"
a newsgroup argument THREE YEARS AGO! :-)

Not only that, the "argument" wasn't even about RADIO!

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

"RADIO" includes all of the HF portion of the EM spectrum. That's
where the major international communications networks WERE in
the 1950s. I was part of that - for three years - as a
volunteer in the United States Army...operating HF transmitters
for an Army station.

In Jim's circles, there is no "volunteering." You get bad grades and
your waiver goes away. Then the Draftsman comes knocking.

Tsk, the "knocking" stopped about 32 years ago. Jimmie has NO
worry. He could sit back in comfortable safety in PA and read
all about the military and international realpolitik without
once having participated in anything.

How many Soviet aircraft did you see when you were in Japan in the
1950s, Len?

I've seen Soviet aircraft without being overseas. I've seen them on
RADAR penetrating CONUS airspace.

So where were you when you saw Soviet aircraft? How did you serve?

He became a Virtual
military expert without once being IN any branch or working in
any office of the Department of Defense.

I don't claim to be an expert in anything.

That would probably be for the best.

You've never been "IN" amateur radio, yet you want to tell us How It
Should Be.

When you merely want to exclude people??? I've no problem with him
anything he might say to you with your kind of attitude.

Getting to the heart of the matter, Jimmie feels TERRIBLY "insulted"
when one doesn't like what Jimmie likes.

Not true. You're the one who calls people names, and tells them to shut
up
if they don't agree with you.

Jim calls them jackasses.

[he is regularly bringing up old, faded postings from Google as
if to continue to "do battle" on those topics forever and ever]

Gee, Len, you bring up even older and more faded stuff about

Highly respected...

defunct
ham radio magazines and your experiences of a half-century ago.

Every issue of QST has excerpts from half a century ago. I've never,
ever, ever seen you complain. Ever.

Why
is it OK for you to rehash events of 20, 30, 50 years ago, but not
OK for others to remind you of the events of 2 or 3 years past?

Because you say it isn't OK for Len to remind you of events of 50 years
ago, but never comment when the ARRL does it.

Seems like a double standard on your part.

Double-standard, indeed. That could be your middle name.

Jimmie wants NUMBERS? He is regularly giving some sort of
tabulation
on the "valid licenses" of radio amateurs in the USA.

No, I'm not. You're mistaken, Len. Wrong again.

Are you absolutely, positively sure?

The numbers I post here twice a month are those of current, unexpired
FCC amateur licenses held by individuals. That's stated in each post.
The word
valid is not used to describe them.

They are invalid numbers? They are invalid licenses?

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