From N9OGL BLOG
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/

THE ARRL LIES!!!!!

I have figured out what amateur's think the way the do when it comes to
information bulletins and what I am running. It is not the FCC that is
telling them this ****, but the American Radio Relay League (ARRL) and
here is what I'm talking about. The following is from the The FCC Rule
Book : Complete Guide to the FCC Regulations Governing Amateur Radio
published by the American Radio Relay League Edited by Norm Bliss
WA1CCQ. The title is called One-Way Information Bulletins and it reads:


"The best known one-way bulletin comes from W1AW, for decades, W1AW
has transmitted brief information bulletins. It is common practice for
other amateur stations to conduct similar operations, usually on a
localized basis, and as part of a scheduled net or on some other
limited, scheduled basis. Such Bulletin are important to the
dissemination of timely and accurate information to radio amateurs

W1AW and other stations providing this service generally have been
careful to make such bulletins brief and factual. Occasionally, such as
during the launch of an amateur radio satellite or space shuttle, some
amateur stations using phone have been put into quasi-broadcast
operation to provide real-time information about a developing situation
of special interest to radio amateurs. Such events are rare and
amateurs have exercised restraint [97.113(b)(e)]

According to rules, the content of bulletins must be limited to
information on matter of direct interest to radio amateurs only, and
never intended for the ears of the general public [97.3(a)(24)]. As
with business communications, the potential for abuse of one-way
transmissions rule has long existed. There is no room in the crowded
amateur high-frequency bands for lengthy one-way transmissions on a
regular, quasi-broadcast basis. Information bulletins by definition
must be confined to factual matter, not a matter opinion. They must be
intended to inform, rather than to entertain. [97.111(b)(6)]" (ARRL
The FCC Rulebook, 1995, page 4-4)

This information which the ARRL is publishing is not true for the
simple reason that he FCC in a warning letter to K1MAN in 2004 stated
that his programs were in compliance with the FCC rules concerning the
content of his programs. They also stated that there was "No specific
time limits placed upon information bulletins by the commission rules."
[Warning Letter to K1MAN, April 14 2004, Page 2 Section 4] The FCC has
even stated on their website that "The control operator of the station
transmitting an information bulletin is responsible for determining
that the subject matter is of direct interest to the amateur service."
So who are going to believe the ARRL who is pushing content control and
supress free speech of the FCC???

"N9OGL" wrote in message
oups.com...
From N9OGL BLOG
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/

THE ARRL LIES!!!!!

I have figured out what amateur's think the way the do when it comes to
information bulletins and what I am running. It is not the FCC that is
telling them this ****, but the American Radio Relay League (ARRL) and
here is what I'm talking about. The following is from the The FCC Rule
Book : Complete Guide to the FCC Regulations Governing Amateur Radio
published by the American Radio Relay League Edited by Norm Bliss
WA1CCQ. The title is called One-Way Information Bulletins and it reads:


"The best known one-way bulletin comes from W1AW, for decades, W1AW
has transmitted brief information bulletins. It is common practice for
other amateur stations to conduct similar operations, usually on a
localized basis, and as part of a scheduled net or on some other
limited, scheduled basis. Such Bulletin are important to the
dissemination of timely and accurate information to radio amateurs

W1AW and other stations providing this service generally have been
careful to make such bulletins brief and factual. Occasionally, such as
during the launch of an amateur radio satellite or space shuttle, some
amateur stations using phone have been put into quasi-broadcast
operation to provide real-time information about a developing situation
of special interest to radio amateurs. Such events are rare and
amateurs have exercised restraint [97.113(b)(e)]

According to rules, the content of bulletins must be limited to
information on matter of direct interest to radio amateurs only, and
never intended for the ears of the general public [97.3(a)(24)]. As
with business communications, the potential for abuse of one-way
transmissions rule has long existed. There is no room in the crowded
amateur high-frequency bands for lengthy one-way transmissions on a
regular, quasi-broadcast basis. Information bulletins by definition
must be confined to factual matter, not a matter opinion. They must be
intended to inform, rather than to entertain. [97.111(b)(6)]" (ARRL
The FCC Rulebook, 1995, page 4-4)

This information which the ARRL is publishing is not true for the
simple reason that he FCC in a warning letter to K1MAN in 2004 stated
that his programs were in compliance with the FCC rules concerning the
content of his programs. They also stated that there was "No specific
time limits placed upon information bulletins by the commission rules."
[Warning Letter to K1MAN, April 14 2004, Page 2 Section 4] The FCC has
even stated on their website that "The control operator of the station
transmitting an information bulletin is responsible for determining
that the subject matter is of direct interest to the amateur service."
So who are going to believe the ARRL who is pushing content control and
supress free speech of the FCC???


You sound like a under educated clone of K1MAN. Oh BTW....where is his
20meter "show" now big mouth?

You don't seem to get it do you Toad? You can't beat city hall. You
certainly can't compete with a bunch of lawyers on the Federal tit. Wake up
before they come down on you so hard you won't know what hit you.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
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"N9OGL" wrote in message
oups.com...
From N9OGL BLOG
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/

THE ARRL LIES!!!!!

I have figured out what amateur's think the way the do when it comes to
information bulletins and what I am running. It is not the FCC that is
telling them this ****, but the American Radio Relay League (ARRL) and
here is what I'm talking about. The following is from the The FCC Rule
Book : Complete Guide to the FCC Regulations Governing Amateur Radio
published by the American Radio Relay League Edited by Norm Bliss
WA1CCQ. The title is called One-Way Information Bulletins and it reads:


"The best known one-way bulletin comes from W1AW, for decades, W1AW
has transmitted brief information bulletins. It is common practice for
other amateur stations to conduct similar operations, usually on a
localized basis, and as part of a scheduled net or on some other
limited, scheduled basis. Such Bulletin are important to the
dissemination of timely and accurate information to radio amateurs

W1AW and other stations providing this service generally have been
careful to make such bulletins brief and factual. Occasionally, such as
during the launch of an amateur radio satellite or space shuttle, some
amateur stations using phone have been put into quasi-broadcast
operation to provide real-time information about a developing situation
of special interest to radio amateurs. Such events are rare and
amateurs have exercised restraint [97.113(b)(e)]

According to rules, the content of bulletins must be limited to
information on matter of direct interest to radio amateurs only, and
never intended for the ears of the general public [97.3(a)(24)]. As
with business communications, the potential for abuse of one-way
transmissions rule has long existed. There is no room in the crowded
amateur high-frequency bands for lengthy one-way transmissions on a
regular, quasi-broadcast basis. Information bulletins by definition
must be confined to factual matter, not a matter opinion. They must be
intended to inform, rather than to entertain. [97.111(b)(6)]" (ARRL
The FCC Rulebook, 1995, page 4-4)

This information which the ARRL is publishing is not true for the
simple reason that he FCC in a warning letter to K1MAN in 2004 stated
that his programs were in compliance with the FCC rules concerning the
content of his programs. They also stated that there was "No specific
time limits placed upon information bulletins by the commission rules."
[Warning Letter to K1MAN, April 14 2004, Page 2 Section 4] The FCC has
even stated on their website that "The control operator of the station
transmitting an information bulletin is responsible for determining
that the subject matter is of direct interest to the amateur service."
So who are going to believe the ARRL who is pushing content control and
supress free speech of the FCC???


You sound like a under educated clone of K1MAN. Oh BTW....where is his
20meter "show" now big mouth?

You don't seem to get it do you Toad? You can't beat city hall. You
certainly can't compete with a bunch of lawyers on the Federal tit. Wake
up before they come down on you so hard you won't know what hit you.

Dan/W4NTI

People have tried and tried to tell him that opinion, facts, news, and
information are four different things but he persists in confusing the four
items. No one would have any problem with his transimitting facts, news or
information but he persists in insisting that opinion falls under the
category of information. The only "opinions" that would fit the information
definition are those rendered by the judicial system or a governing body as
they are clarifications of the rules. Based on the one or two titles of
this broadcasts that he has listed here, his do not qualify as information.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

N9OGL wrote:
From N9OGL BLOG
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/

THE ARRL LIES!!!!!

I have figured out what amateur's think the way the do when it comes to
information bulletins and what I am running...(SNIP TO...)

This information which the ARRL is publishing is not true for the
simple reason that he FCC in a warning letter to K1MAN in 2004 stated
that his programs were in compliance with the FCC rules concerning the
content of his programs. They also stated that there was "No specific
time limits placed upon information bulletins by the commission rules."
[Warning Letter to K1MAN, April 14 2004, Page 2 Section 4] The FCC has
even stated on their website that "The control operator of the station
transmitting an information bulletin is responsible for determining
that the subject matter is of direct interest to the amateur service."

That warning letter was the opinon of the person writing it, and
NOT "official policy". THE ONLY "RULES" THE FCC CAN ENFORCE ARE THOSE
IN WRITING AS PUBLSIHED IN PART 97 EXCEPT UNDER VERY STRICT AND LIMITED
INSTANCES.

K1MAN's operations were found to be generally in compliance, but
he ahs also be warned, re-warned, and warned again about pusing those
limits.

So who are going to believe the ARRL who is pushing content control and
supress free speech of the FCC???

The ARRL is suppressing the "free speech of the FCC"...?!?!

BBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

W H A T A N I D I O T ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Todd...You want to be the next "K1MAN"...fine...MOST people are
going to scorn your name, threaten your safety, sue you in court and
otherwise make a mockery of you and your "cause". The only one's
"supporting" you are going to be people like...well...like YOU!

Steve, K4YZ

N9OGL wrote:

From N9OGL BLOG
snip all c&p

Toad didn't write this, there's no major spelling errors, all he can do
is echo somebody else!

K4YZ wrote:


N9OGL wrote:

From N9OGL BLOG
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/

THE ARRL LIES!!!!!

I have figured out what amateur's think the way the do when it comes to
information bulletins and what I am running...(SNIP TO...)


This information which the ARRL is publishing is not true for the
simple reason that he FCC in a warning letter to K1MAN in 2004 stated
that his programs were in compliance with the FCC rules concerning the
content of his programs. They also stated that there was "No specific
time limits placed upon information bulletins by the commission rules."
[Warning Letter to K1MAN, April 14 2004, Page 2 Section 4] The FCC has
even stated on their website that "The control operator of the station
transmitting an information bulletin is responsible for determining
that the subject matter is of direct interest to the amateur service."


That warning letter was the opinon of the person writing it, and
NOT "official policy". THE ONLY "RULES" THE FCC CAN ENFORCE ARE THOSE
IN WRITING AS PUBLSIHED IN PART 97 EXCEPT UNDER VERY STRICT AND LIMITED
INSTANCES.

K1MAN's operations were found to be generally in compliance, but
he ahs also be warned, re-warned, and warned again about pusing those
limits.


So who are going to believe the ARRL who is pushing content control and
supress free speech of the FCC???


The ARRL is suppressing the "free speech of the FCC"...?!?!

BBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

W H A T A N I D I O T ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Todd...You want to be the next "K1MAN"...fine...MOST people are
going to scorn your name, threaten your safety, sue you in court and
otherwise make a mockery of you and your "cause". The only one's
"supporting" you are going to be people like...well...like YOU!

Steve, K4YZ

Nobody warned his parents in the 60's that drug usage could lead to
birth defects in their yet unborn children!

N9OGL wrote:
CRAP FROM HIS BLOG
If it's on your blog and people can comment on it at your blog, why
repost it here, isn't that spam? If you're posting it here, why have the
blog? That's just like putting your lame show on every ham band. People
that want it will find it, you don't need to shove it down their throat.
But then again you are in a religious town where they shove it at you
every chance they get, every corner, ring your door bell, call you on
the phone then mail you a copy!
Now toad, don't twist this around and call me a nazi and tell me to die,
I'll take that as a threat and I believe in the golden rule, "Do unto
others before the do unto you!"

N9OGL wrote:
From N9OGL BLOG
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/

THE ARRL LIES!!!!!

According to rules, the content of bulletins must be limited to
information on matter of direct interest to radio amateurs only, and
never intended for the ears of the general public [97.3(a)(24)].

Well there is where they got you toddieboy, you see whatever you have to
say is of no direct interest to radio amateurs (or to anyone for that
matter).

K4YZ wrote:


The ARRL is suppressing the "free speech of the FCC"...?!?!

BBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

W H A T A N I D I O T ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Todd...You want to be the next "K1MAN"...fine...MOST people are
going to scorn your name, threaten your safety, sue you in court and
otherwise make a mockery of you and your "cause". The only one's
"supporting" you are going to be people like...well...like YOU!

Steve, K4YZ


The kid is a blithering idiot.

But, according to the FCC it is the station transmitting the bulletin
to determine if it is of interest to amateur radio operators....not
some morons on the newsgroup on the internet.

Todd N9OGL