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no longer of any importance and the ancient amateurs could not even pass the test given today--READ THE ARTICLE! John "Dave Heil" wrote in message k.net... John Smith wrote: Len: A direct quote from Jim Haynie, "The ARRL president asserted that many Amateur Extra class licensees couldn't pass today's Element 4 examination if they had to..." Complete article at: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/05/22/1/?nc=1 Haynie's mistake is in assuming that because he might have trouble passing it, many others would also have difficulty. Dave K8MN |
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John Smith wrote:
A direct quote from Jim Haynie, "The ARRL president asserted that many Amateur Extra class licensees couldn't pass today's Element 4 examination if they had to..." Well, some of them couldn't, anyway. The same is true of some hams in every license class, and has been true for some hams at least as long as I've been aware of ham radio. But I'm not one of those that W5JBP was speaking about. Since I got my ham license 37-1/2 years ago (October 1967, age 13), I've always been able to pass the tests for the license I hold. Since 1970 (age 16), that's been the Extra. Every couple of months I do an online practice test just to make sure. |
John Smith wrote:
... no, I think Haynie has it right, read the whole article... code is no longer of any importance Bull, that's NOT what he said. and the ancient amateurs could not even pass the test given today-- So? What's the big deal? If I had to be retested I'd simply memorize the question pools like everybody else does these days. The EE-types wouldn't even do that, they's just sit down and pass it. Like Haynie said "passing a ham exam does not make you an engineer." Which is to say that passing the writtens isn't much more than a traditional rite of passage. Always have been for that matter. READ THE ARTICLE! I read the article. Now you tune around the bottom ends of the bands for a reality check. w3rv |
Haynie said:
1) "It's not that Amateur Radio is dumbed down," he said. "People like me have failed to keep up, and if you look in your heart, you're going to say the same thing." 2) "...if you want people to come out of that examination room in here to be able to design circuits--you're in the wrong hobby." 3) "I said, if we come down on the side of code, we're going to make the no-code people mad, and if we come down on the side of the no-code, we're going to make the code people mad..." 4) "...he predicted that the Commission will never reinstate higher code speed requirements as some have requested." 5) "The FCC is not going to go back to 13 and 20 words per minute, and you can take that to the bank," he predicted. "It's not going to happen." The Commission went with the single 5 WPM requirement because it was "sick and tired" of dealing with medical waivers, he said. Although he has become a pretty smart "politician" and "diplomat"--it is obvious code is given very little if any importance. Now you can argue his words anyway you like--but you can't find one word of his which places ANY importance on it... He HAS said old amateurs have lost sense of reality, that is right there in no. 1) ... argue that anyway you like--into looking like a fool... John wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: ... no, I think Haynie has it right, read the whole article... code is no longer of any importance Bull, that's NOT what he said. and the ancient amateurs could not even pass the test given today-- So? What's the big deal? If I had to be retested I'd simply memorize the question pools like everybody else does these days. The EE-types wouldn't even do that, they's just sit down and pass it. Like Haynie said "passing a ham exam does not make you an engineer." Which is to say that passing the writtens isn't much more than a traditional rite of passage. Always have been for that matter. READ THE ARTICLE! I read the article. Now you tune around the bottom ends of the bands for a reality check. w3rv |
John Smith wrote:
Haynie mentioned you in no 1), someone who won't admit they are killing the hobby... you aren't anything but a self-centered jerk with a big ego and self-opinion, And you aren't anything but a know-nothing cber who couldn't pass the exam for a ham license if your miserable life depended upon it. |
From: "John Smith" on Wed 8 Jun 2005 18:03
Let me see if I have all of your "facts" straight: 1) there is no problem 2) old farts are cutting edge techs 3) one look will tell you how "progressive" amateur radio is 4) everything just looks wrong, it is really right 5) code is important 6) ARRL is wrong 7) Haynie is wrong 8) FCC is wrong ... yeah, right! John "Dave Heil" wrote in message link.net... John, you forgot one: 9) Leonard is always wrong :-) |
From: "K4YZ" on Jun 8, 5:14 am
I didn't get any farther than this to see what yet anotehr moronic anti-Amateur Radio rant this was. Yet another validation of my claim that Leonard H. Anderson is a chronic, pathological liar. ...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely path of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron in the other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air, interspersed with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet extinct. The Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep in the valley of neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single sentinel counts cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux you" between the slow steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do bottle but only sipping a cup of unkindness. It is sad but the sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknown Solder keeps going. He does not know why and that is the tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder leaving only the red light of fire in the eyes of the muttering sentinel. Those glow in the dark like LED pilot lights. Hatred lives on in his twilight of despair. Temper fry. |
John Smith wrote:
... no, I think Haynie has it right, read the whole article... code is no longer of any importance and the ancient amateurs could not even pass the test given today--READ THE ARTICLE! I read the article. Haynie may speak for his own abilities but not mine. Morse code is of no consequence to one who doesn't wish to communicate using CW. I find it quite important and quite enjoyable, top-posting "John". Dave K8MN John "Dave Heil" wrote in message k.net... John Smith wrote: Len: A direct quote from Jim Haynie, "The ARRL president asserted that many Amateur Extra class licensees couldn't pass today's Element 4 examination if they had to..." Complete article at: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/05/22/1/?nc=1 Haynie's mistake is in assuming that because he might have trouble passing it, many others would also have difficulty. Dave K8MN |
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Let me see if I have all of your "facts" straight: 1) there is no problem 2) old farts are cutting edge techs 3) one look will tell you how "progressive" amateur radio is 4) everything just looks wrong, it is really right 5) code is important 6) ARRL is wrong 7) Haynie is wrong 8) FCC is wrong ... yeah, right! John Well, "John", let's take 'em in reverse order in honor of your top posting style: 8. The FCC has been wrong on numerous occasions. 7. Jim Haynie has been wrong more times than the FCC. 6. The ARRL varies between getting it right and getting it wrong. 5. Morse code is important to me. 4. Everything may look wrong to you and Len Anderson; that doesn't mean that it is. 3. I wrote nothing about "one look". 2. When you use the "old farts" term, I peg you as just another twenty-year-old with fifty years of experience. 1. I don't see any huge problems for amateur radio. Now to a guy like Leonard Anderson, a guy who claims several decades of interest in amateur radio but who has never taken the first step toward actually obtaining an amateur ticket, I'm sure that amateur radio is in an awful pickle. I'm still reserving judgement on your motivations. Dave K8MN "Dave Heil" wrote in message ink.net... wrote: The mighty macho morsemen cannot conceive of that. They are immortal. They RULE. [they've said as much...] Er...actually, you've said as much. However, "energy and enthusiasm" is a function of both individual genes and mental outlook. "Enthusiasm" in half-century-old state- of-the-art techiques and practices should be consigned to niche nostalgia places, not kept as federal regulations. Most hams I've encountered aren't locked to old technology. They're using the latest equipment available to them. They are not, however, obliged to discard any technology simply because it isn't the newest and latest. Many of the stratification crowd seem to hang onto their "enthusiasm" of their young days as if it were a lifeline to some imagined fountain of youth promising that they will remain younger than springtime by holding to old paradigms. You haven't yet explained what constitutes "the stratification crowd". Most hams I've encountered are enthusiastic about amateur radio. They enjoy it immensely. I don't expect you to understand. [Rodgers and Hammerstein could do a great musical opera on that if Rodgers wasn't a silent (piano) key and Oscar wasn't a silent pen...but it wouldn't play in Newington] [well, maybe a version of "Carousel" since these olde-fahrts keep going around and around and around...] You seem to be the oldest fart here. Are you going around and around? My own viewpoint is different. I'll say. By virtue of being born when I was, my lifetime has seen the comming of the solid-state era and the definite decay of vacuum tube technology... What makes that special? Many of us are in the same boat, old timer. ...that bringing a virtual explosion of different applications, new and exciting SOCs (Systems On a Chip)...plus a whole new set of passive and semi-active components and ways to hold them all together. Technology-wise that is truly WONDERFUL and MARVELOUS. A very Andersonesque, masterful statement of the obvious... We all have the capability of high-speed data and imagery communications internationally, 24/7... No, we don't all have that. ...no worries about the condition of the ionosphere... ...unless we're trying to use HF radio. all for less than $2000 in today's dollars to get a "mainframe" computer on a desk and a year's subscription to an ISP. Really? You have a "mainframe" computer on your desk? The only thing close to a "mainframe" computer that I've used is the Wang VS and it was a "mini". I'd have had to have had a pretty big desk for it. Buy-sell-trade, do personal banking, keep family in touch at all times etc., etc., etc. My personal enthusiasm on the technology just grows and grows from keeping in touch with the new developments and seeing the products (some delivered to my door after electronic ordering). I'm not going to see the end of even if the mortal world sees my end. That's the way of humans being. Yep, long bows, crossbows, gunpowder--there's simply no end to it. Others, the stratification crowd, the staunch defenders of the status quo, demand a HALT to progress, NO CHANGE. That would seem to be a pretty large fib on your part. Keep all nice and tidy and belonging just the way it was when they were young. Psychological reassurances of their "safety." Denial of the fact that they ARE getting on. Denial of the fact that other, younger people MIGHT be interested in doing this ham radio hobby thing. Oh, some of them whip up some adrenaline and do lip-service to old, trite phrases of "helping youngsters" and all that but the MUST keep THEIR playground in their order. NO changes allowed. Most don't help, don't bother to learn how to help. Then again, you'd have absolutely no way of knowing it that is the case. Why would a young person of today WANT to study morse code just to communicate on HF? Uhhhh....to communicate with others who are using the mode or to learn something different than his peers or maybe, just because it is a qualification for obtaining an HF amateur radio license. Other than being in a "ham family?" Other than being in a ham family, what? The Internet opened to the public 14 years ago and most of the world is connected to the net. No, most of the world is assuredly not connect to the internet. A shrink wrap CB transceiver is available over the counter for less than $100, complete with antenna and microphone. A pair of FRS hand-helds costs only $50 maximum and permits 5 mile two-way talking with isolation via digital mode. What's your point, Leonard? Do you own stock in Cobra? A cell phone with a built-in camera costs less than $100 and can communicate anywhere within range of a cell site...to the rest of the telephonic world. Neat. Even if I don't have one, I have a telephone. With it, I can also communicate to the rest of the "telephonic world". One in five Americans have cell phone subscriptions. One in five American hams belong to the ARRL. Need to send documents across country fast? Go to chain drugstores and use their FAX machines. Why would I need to do that? I'd just use my desktop "mainframe" computer and FAX with it. All sorts of quick communications possibilities for all today. Yeah? COMPETITION OF INTEREST. COMPETITION OF INTEREST, what? Competition of quality and dependability. What about them? And all that hasn't touched on the OTHER advantages the younger folk have today, things that are entertaining, interesting, mind-holding. Yeah--hip hop, computer porn, drugs, piercing body parts and video gaming come to mind. In truth, some young folks LIKE certain old things. Then somewhere, there is a young person who must like you. Today's ham can purchase a top-of-the-line HF transceiver, fancy antenna and tower, peripheral gizmos up the gazoo, all for less than $5000. Where can I get all of that stuff for less than five grand, Leonard? They get rock-solid frequency stability and read-out of same down to 10 Hz increments...Digital Signal Processing, "VFO 'split'" with frequency memories, sharp crystal filters to reduce QRM and QRN to a minimum...even operate it through a PC! None of that was available in a single package a half century ago. None of that was available a quarter-century ago. But, the olde-fahrts can sit back and dictate all MUST test for the 161-year-old "technology" skill of morse code on that HF. Some of 'em are still using human speech to communicate. That dates back thousands and thousands of years. Incredible dichotomy. Incredible hypocrisy. Those don't seem to qualify as sentences. Actuarial tables will manifest themselves. The mighty macho morsemen WILL have their morse keys pried out of their cold, dead fingers. But actuarial tables being what they are, they'd indicate that this will be one of those things you aren't likely to be around to see. In fact, you'll likely miss out on amateur radio altogether. Dave K8MN |
John Smith wrote: Haynie said: 1) "It's not that Amateur Radio is dumbed down," he said. "People like me have failed to keep up, and if you look in your heart, you're going to say the same thing." He's right on the money. But many hams are *not* like him, yes? 2) "...if you want people to come out of that examination room in here to be able to design circuits--you're in the wrong hobby." Of course, that's been obvious to everybody else around here since somebody first started selling spark rigs out of a catalog. Is it somehow imperative that hams must be able to design current-tech circuits or the sky will fall on the hobby? What's your point? 3) "I said, if we come down on the side of code, we're going to make the no-code people mad, and if we come down on the side of the no-code, we're going to make the code people mad..." Ah, but then he continued ". . so the best thing for us to do is be evenhanded, and make everybody mad," Haynie said, tongue-in-cheek. "And I think we're doing a good job of it." " In other words the League has ducked out of the code teat war this time and put in the hands of the FCC. Do you have a problem with that?? I sure don't. Your "selective snippages" are as a bare minimum a bit of comic relief. 4) "...he predicted that the Commission will never reinstate higher code speed requirements as some have requested." OBVIOUSLY . . wtf . . ?! 5) "The FCC is not going to go back to 13 and 20 words per minute, and you can take that to the bank," he predicted. "It's not going to happen." The Commission went with the single 5 WPM requirement because it was "sick and tired" of dealing with medical waivers, he said. This is astounding new info or what?? Although he has become a pretty smart "politician" and "diplomat"--it is obvious code is given very little if any importance. Now you can argue his words anyway you like--but you can't find one word of his which places ANY importance on it... He HAS said old amateurs have lost sense of reality, that is right there in no. 1) ... argue that anyway you like--into looking like a fool... Smitty I'm about 99% in agreement with what Haynie stated, I'm not arguing his words at all, I'm arguing YOUR words. Which are goofy, naive attempts to twist reality around which we all see thru. You're quite terrible at this game you're trying to play John but hang around here awhile and watch how the real pros harpoon reality in this group . .. maybe you'll get better at the game. .. . speaking of reality . . in the end when all the dust settles CW is everywhere on the bands today and it's gonna still be on the bands long after you and I have both expired. Get comfortable with it my good man because neither of us can do a bloody thing about it one way or another. THAT's the real reality. And by the way what's your callsign? Good night. John w3v |
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You just dismissed the fact that Haynie is seeing a real problem here,
he is beginning to tell hams to stop acting like such immature jerks and get with the program--you take these words are turn them into him giving you an "Atta Boy!" If you are fool enough to believe that you will have to... such denial, avoidance and BS has stagnated us to the point where all there are, are a bunch of guys out there too old to be of interest to QSO with--the young guys know that and you can tell them different till the cows come home--it will not change one thing... I am 52 and most are too old for me... long winded rants about yesteryear and such is a real turn off to this guy... I cringe when I see the expressions on the young mens face who hear it on my demos of radio... You sit there thinking all is well--I can tell you are past anything but an argument for maintaining status quo... You really mean to tell me you feel the bands out there are "congested?" Tell someone without a radio--they just might believe you... We both hear Haynies words you think he is saying, "Good Job Guys!" I challenge that all right, I hear him saying, "Get with it old fools!!!" John wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: Haynie said: 1) "It's not that Amateur Radio is dumbed down," he said. "People like me have failed to keep up, and if you look in your heart, you're going to say the same thing." He's right on the money. But many hams are *not* like him, yes? 2) "...if you want people to come out of that examination room in here to be able to design circuits--you're in the wrong hobby." Of course, that's been obvious to everybody else around here since somebody first started selling spark rigs out of a catalog. Is it somehow imperative that hams must be able to design current-tech circuits or the sky will fall on the hobby? What's your point? 3) "I said, if we come down on the side of code, we're going to make the no-code people mad, and if we come down on the side of the no-code, we're going to make the code people mad..." Ah, but then he continued ". . so the best thing for us to do is be evenhanded, and make everybody mad," Haynie said, tongue-in-cheek. "And I think we're doing a good job of it." " In other words the League has ducked out of the code teat war this time and put in the hands of the FCC. Do you have a problem with that?? I sure don't. Your "selective snippages" are as a bare minimum a bit of comic relief. 4) "...he predicted that the Commission will never reinstate higher code speed requirements as some have requested." OBVIOUSLY . . wtf . . ?! 5) "The FCC is not going to go back to 13 and 20 words per minute, and you can take that to the bank," he predicted. "It's not going to happen." The Commission went with the single 5 WPM requirement because it was "sick and tired" of dealing with medical waivers, he said. This is astounding new info or what?? Although he has become a pretty smart "politician" and "diplomat"--it is obvious code is given very little if any importance. Now you can argue his words anyway you like--but you can't find one word of his which places ANY importance on it... He HAS said old amateurs have lost sense of reality, that is right there in no. 1) ... argue that anyway you like--into looking like a fool... Smitty I'm about 99% in agreement with what Haynie stated, I'm not arguing his words at all, I'm arguing YOUR words. Which are goofy, naive attempts to twist reality around which we all see thru. You're quite terrible at this game you're trying to play John but hang around here awhile and watch how the real pros harpoon reality in this group . . maybe you'll get better at the game. . . speaking of reality . . in the end when all the dust settles CW is everywhere on the bands today and it's gonna still be on the bands long after you and I have both expired. Get comfortable with it my good man because neither of us can do a bloody thing about it one way or another. THAT's the real reality. And by the way what's your callsign? Good night. John w3v |
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Haynie mentioned you in no 1), someone who won't admit they are killing
the hobby... you aren't anything but a self-centered jerk with a big ego and self-opinion, and you are here because this newsgroup is full of 'em, you guys have all busted your arms in an over-zealous state to pat each other on the back. You look like a group engaged in a group-masturbation of egos--I can assure you at 52 I find it makes me ill--I can't even imagine how it must disgust younger men.... Too long you have been coddled with kind words till with even your worst behavior you expect them... Warmest regards, John "Dave Heil" wrote in message nk.net... John Smith wrote: ... no, I think Haynie has it right, read the whole article... code is no longer of any importance and the ancient amateurs could not even pass the test given today--READ THE ARTICLE! I read the article. Haynie may speak for his own abilities but not mine. Morse code is of no consequence to one who doesn't wish to communicate using CW. I find it quite important and quite enjoyable, top-posting "John". Dave K8MN John "Dave Heil" wrote in message k.net... John Smith wrote: Len: A direct quote from Jim Haynie, "The ARRL president asserted that many Amateur Extra class licensees couldn't pass today's Element 4 examination if they had to..." Complete article at: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/05/22/1/?nc=1 Haynie's mistake is in assuming that because he might have trouble passing it, many others would also have difficulty. Dave K8MN |
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You are a silly old man, I am indeed licensed... but that should make
little difference... that argument is not what I am, but what the hobby is and where it is going, you are a crafty old buzzard always anxious to side track facts into a gutter of personal attacks and rants on someones present status--too me--you just look like a damn street smart punk which knows a few tricks--and dirty underhanded ones at that... John "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: Haynie mentioned you in no 1), someone who won't admit they are killing the hobby... you aren't anything but a self-centered jerk with a big ego and self-opinion, And you aren't anything but a know-nothing cber who couldn't pass the exam for a ham license if your miserable life depended upon it. |
John Smith wrote: "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: Haynie mentioned you in no 1), someone who won't admit they are killing the hobby... you aren't anything but a self-centered jerk with a big ego and self-opinion, And you aren't anything but a know-nothing cber who couldn't pass the exam for a ham license if your miserable life depended upon it. You are a silly old man, I am indeed licensed... Not likely. but that should make little difference...(SNIP) It makes a LOT of difference. It establishes from what point of reference that you make your assertions. It's called an "informed opinion". Lennie is an example of a lot of fluff without experience. He "knows" a lot from what he cuts and pastes...no more...no less... Just like you so far. (UNSNIP...that argument is not what I am, but what the hobby is and where it is going...(SNIP) And you know this? So far you've offered nothing but hit and run, anonymous quips with little or no substantiation of your "opinions". (UNSNIP)...you are a crafty old buzzard always anxious to side track facts into a gutter of personal attacks and rants on someones present status...(SNIP) And so far you've done/said nothing except to make your OWN "gutter of personal attacks". So what's the difference? (UNSNIP)....--too me--you just look like a damn street smart punk which knows a few tricks--and dirty underhanded ones at that... Lessee...You're anonymous...apparently unlicensed...not a bit of substantiation of ANY assertion... Yep..."damn street punk" WITHOUT the "smarts"... Steve, K4YZ |
John Smith wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: Haynie said: 1) "It's not that Amateur Radio is dumbed down," he said. "People like me have failed to keep up, and if you look in your heart, you're going to say the same thing." He's right on the money. But many hams are *not* like him, yes? 2) "...if you want people to come out of that examination room in here to be able to design circuits--you're in the wrong hobby." Of course, that's been obvious to everybody else around here since somebody first started selling spark rigs out of a catalog. Is it somehow imperative that hams must be able to design current-tech circuits or the sky will fall on the hobby? What's your point? 3) "I said, if we come down on the side of code, we're going to make the no-code people mad, and if we come down on the side of the no-code, we're going to make the code people mad..." Ah, but then he continued ". . so the best thing for us to do is be evenhanded, and make everybody mad," Haynie said, tongue-in-cheek. "And I think we're doing a good job of it." " In other words the League has ducked out of the code teat war this time and put in the hands of the FCC. Do you have a problem with that?? I sure don't. Your "selective snippages" are as a bare minimum a bit of comic relief. 4) "...he predicted that the Commission will never reinstate higher code speed requirements as some have requested." OBVIOUSLY . . wtf . . ?! 5) "The FCC is not going to go back to 13 and 20 words per minute, and you can take that to the bank," he predicted. "It's not going to happen." The Commission went with the single 5 WPM requirement because it was "sick and tired" of dealing with medical waivers, he said. This is astounding new info or what?? Although he has become a pretty smart "politician" and "diplomat"--it is obvious code is given very little if any importance. Now you can argue his words anyway you like--but you can't find one word of his which places ANY importance on it... He HAS said old amateurs have lost sense of reality, that is right there in no. 1) ... argue that anyway you like--into looking like a fool... Smitty I'm about 99% in agreement with what Haynie stated, I'm not arguing his words at all, I'm arguing YOUR words. Which are goofy, naive attempts to twist reality around which we all see thru. You're quite terrible at this game you're trying to play John but hang around here awhile and watch how the real pros harpoon reality in this group . . maybe you'll get better at the game. . . speaking of reality . . in the end when all the dust settles CW is everywhere on the bands today and it's gonna still be on the bands long after you and I have both expired. Get comfortable with it my good man because neither of us can do a bloody thing about it one way or another. THAT's the real reality. And by the way what's your callsign? Good night. John w3rv You just dismissed the fact that Haynie is seeing a real problem here, he is beginning to tell hams to stop acting like such immature jerks and get with the program--you take these words are turn them into him giving you an "Atta Boy!" I am wondering who he's allegedly talking to, then. Those problems don't seem to be manifest here. If you are fool enough to believe that you will have to... such denial, avoidance and BS has stagnated us to the point where all there are, are a bunch of guys out there too old to be of interest to QSO with--the young guys know that and you can tell them different till the cows come home--it will not change one thing... Thankfully not all of us live our lives by reliving tales of post-WW2 Japan rear area radio stations. I am 52 and most are too old for me... Then don't talk to them. Funny...I've never had any of these alleged 'gastric QSO's' like some here have alleged are the bane of HF phone. One of the benefits of not getting on HF phone very often, I guess! Not much challenge in "just talking". long winded rants about yesteryear and such is a real turn off to this guy... Then hang out elsewhere. I cringe when I see the expressions on the young mens face who hear it on my demos of radio... Hear what? You sit there thinking all is well--I can tell you are past anything but an argument for maintaining status quo... What status quo? You really mean to tell me you feel the bands out there are "congested?" At times they are. At others, they're not. Tell someone without a radio--they just might believe you... We both hear Haynies words you think he is saying, "Good Job Guys!" I challenge that all right, I hear him saying, "Get with it old fools!!!" Personally, I say stop top-posting. Really makes it hard to follow your point. And by the way, to reiterate another's question, "what's your callsign?" Steve, K4YZ |
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You just dismissed the fact that Haynie is seeing a real problem here, he is beginning to tell hams to stop acting like such immature jerks Folks like W5JBP have been saying that for a long time. They're right, of course. and get with the program Which "program", though? --you take these words are turn them into him giving you an "Atta Boy!" Not me. If you are fool enough to believe that you will have to... such denial, avoidance and BS has stagnated us to the point where all there are, are a bunch of guys out there too old to be of interest to QSO with- -the young guys know that and you can tell them different till the cows come home--it will not change one thing... There's a lot more than "a bunch of guys too old to be of interest" - but you have to go where they are. I am 52 and most are too old for me... long winded rants about yesteryear and such is a real turn off to this guy... I am 51, been a ham more than 37 years. In all that time, there have always been the "old buzzards" doing what you describe. There have also always been folks who are a lot different, regardless of age. I cringe when I see the expressions on the young mens face who hear it on my demos of radio... And how do you do these demos? You show them voice operating, right? 75, 20, 2 meters? Try expanding the horizons to other modes, like PSK31, Pactor, and (gasp) Morse Code. Different worlds, different people. You sit there thinking all is well--I can tell you are past anything but an argument for maintaining status quo... You really mean to tell me you feel the bands out there are "congested?" Depends what bands, modes and when. |
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John Smith wrote: You just dismissed the fact that Haynie is seeing a real problem here, Bull****, he cited several completely separate problems and I already stated that I more or less agree with him on all counts. he is beginning to tell hams to stop acting like such immature jerks and get with the program--you take these words are turn them into him giving you an "Atta Boy!" "Atta Boy" for WHAT?? If you are fool enough to believe that you will have to... such denial, avoidance and BS has stagnated us to the point where all there are, are a bunch of guys out there too old to be of interest to QSO with--the young guys know that and you can tell them different till the cows come home--it will not change one thing... What do you suggest? That the seniors quit ham radio? I am 52 and most are too old for me... .. . that's obvious but not for the reasons you think it is . . long winded rants about yesteryear and such is a real turn off to this guy... Too damned bad about that, they have the licenses and they're allowed to chit chat about history if that's their interest. If you don't like it fine, twist the big knob on the front of your radio and go somewhere else which is what I do. I cringe when I see the expressions on the young mens face who hear it on my demos of radio... Yeah yeah, the kids I hung out with on the corner a half century ago didn't think much of ham radio either. You sit there thinking all is well--I can tell you are past anything but an argument for maintaining status quo... You really mean to tell me you feel the bands out there are "congested?" Where the hell have I used the term "congestion" anywhere ?! Tell someone without a radio--they just might believe you... We both hear Haynies words you think he is saying, "Good Job Guys!" I challenge that all right, I hear him saying, "Get with it old fools!!!" You're simply an irrational/incoherent waste of bandwidth and time. 'Bye. John w3rv |
My real name and call are held to protect the innocent (or guilty as you
prefer.) I have had my station inspected a couple of times, and passed with flying colors I might add, since my fellow amateurs frowned on me chatting with truckers and general "undesirable types" on the Chicken Band... I am very familiar with hams finding out your call and attempting to use the FCC as their private police... SOME are full of dirty tricks... Warmest regards, John "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: Haynie said: 1) "It's not that Amateur Radio is dumbed down," he said. "People like me have failed to keep up, and if you look in your heart, you're going to say the same thing." He's right on the money. But many hams are *not* like him, yes? 2) "...if you want people to come out of that examination room in here to be able to design circuits--you're in the wrong hobby." Of course, that's been obvious to everybody else around here since somebody first started selling spark rigs out of a catalog. Is it somehow imperative that hams must be able to design current-tech circuits or the sky will fall on the hobby? What's your point? 3) "I said, if we come down on the side of code, we're going to make the no-code people mad, and if we come down on the side of the no-code, we're going to make the code people mad..." Ah, but then he continued ". . so the best thing for us to do is be evenhanded, and make everybody mad," Haynie said, tongue-in-cheek. "And I think we're doing a good job of it." " In other words the League has ducked out of the code teat war this time and put in the hands of the FCC. Do you have a problem with that?? I sure don't. Your "selective snippages" are as a bare minimum a bit of comic relief. 4) "...he predicted that the Commission will never reinstate higher code speed requirements as some have requested." OBVIOUSLY . . wtf . . ?! 5) "The FCC is not going to go back to 13 and 20 words per minute, and you can take that to the bank," he predicted. "It's not going to happen." The Commission went with the single 5 WPM requirement because it was "sick and tired" of dealing with medical waivers, he said. This is astounding new info or what?? Although he has become a pretty smart "politician" and "diplomat"--it is obvious code is given very little if any importance. Now you can argue his words anyway you like--but you can't find one word of his which places ANY importance on it... He HAS said old amateurs have lost sense of reality, that is right there in no. 1) ... argue that anyway you like--into looking like a fool... Smitty I'm about 99% in agreement with what Haynie stated, I'm not arguing his words at all, I'm arguing YOUR words. Which are goofy, naive attempts to twist reality around which we all see thru. You're quite terrible at this game you're trying to play John but hang around here awhile and watch how the real pros harpoon reality in this group . . maybe you'll get better at the game. . . speaking of reality . . in the end when all the dust settles CW is everywhere on the bands today and it's gonna still be on the bands long after you and I have both expired. Get comfortable with it my good man because neither of us can do a bloody thing about it one way or another. THAT's the real reality. And by the way what's your callsign? Good night. John w3rv You just dismissed the fact that Haynie is seeing a real problem here, he is beginning to tell hams to stop acting like such immature jerks and get with the program--you take these words are turn them into him giving you an "Atta Boy!" I am wondering who he's allegedly talking to, then. Those problems don't seem to be manifest here. If you are fool enough to believe that you will have to... such denial, avoidance and BS has stagnated us to the point where all there are, are a bunch of guys out there too old to be of interest to QSO with--the young guys know that and you can tell them different till the cows come home--it will not change one thing... Thankfully not all of us live our lives by reliving tales of post-WW2 Japan rear area radio stations. I am 52 and most are too old for me... Then don't talk to them. Funny...I've never had any of these alleged 'gastric QSO's' like some here have alleged are the bane of HF phone. One of the benefits of not getting on HF phone very often, I guess! Not much challenge in "just talking". long winded rants about yesteryear and such is a real turn off to this guy... Then hang out elsewhere. I cringe when I see the expressions on the young mens face who hear it on my demos of radio... Hear what? You sit there thinking all is well--I can tell you are past anything but an argument for maintaining status quo... What status quo? You really mean to tell me you feel the bands out there are "congested?" At times they are. At others, they're not. Tell someone without a radio--they just might believe you... We both hear Haynies words you think he is saying, "Good Job Guys!" I challenge that all right, I hear him saying, "Get with it old fools!!!" Personally, I say stop top-posting. Really makes it hard to follow your point. And by the way, to reiterate another's question, "what's your callsign?" Steve, K4YZ |
wrote: wrote: .. . . . In other words the League has ducked out of the code test war this time and put in the hands of the FCC. They realize a no-win situation when they see it. Also, the ARRL BoD has a wide range of opinions on the issue, so they came up with a compromise and went on to other issues. On one hand they really didn't have any choice, enough was enough. On another hand that's the way things work in democracies. Frankly, I'm simply amazed that FCC didn't just dump Element 1 two years ago when the treaty changed at WRC 2003. All they needed was a one-paragraph Memorandum Report and Order saying that they'd dealt with the issue back in 2000, and pending further changes, everybody who passes any of the written tests for a US ham license gets code test credit too. Or some such verbiage, just like they did when they waived the code sending test. My guess is that the FCC didn't move on the code test when the ITU dropped the requirement because they had a major restructuring in mind back then and decided to bundle any changes in the code test into the overall restructuring package per the Incentive Licensing restructuring. Which is typical regulatory "behavior". Or they had already decided to retain the code test into the future. With 98% of the world's population still subject to code tests and given the small number of countries which have abandoned the code tests it just might be that the decision to retain the code test here was quietly carved in stone 4-5 years ago. Conversly though the waivers problem is still out there . . . But FCC didn't do that, even after getting a pile of proposals to do so. In a month or so it will be two years and there isn't even an NPRM out yet. If they go the entire NPRM cycle, it could be a year or more before the rules change - *if* they change. The NPRM is obviously enroute whether it shows up later this year or sometime next year doesn't matter much and I expect it to be a real gooder. Gonna be some nuclear explosions in this NG when it finally does get published. Heh. Tune down the low ends of the HF bands, in the evenings when most of the younger folks aren't tied up with work, school, kids, etc. There's a lot more going on than the voice modes on the high ends. Even in the phone bands the U.S. geezer nets are usually well up the bands to accomodate the Generals, there's very little of that sort of operating in the Extra/Advanced segments. 73 de Jim, N2EY w3rv |
John Smith wrote:
Len: A direct quote from Jim Haynie, "The ARRL president asserted that many Amateur Extra class licensees couldn't pass today's Element 4 examination if they had to..." I could! that's the one I passed to become an Extra! - Mike KB3EIA - |
bb wrote:
John Smith wrote: Yes. Well, you cannot disguise the fact that the over 60 crowd just don't have the energy or enthusiasm as the teenage to 30 crowd--or the fact that these younger people are actively engaged in the research, development and production phases of electronics. Why they may effectively hang on limiting the hobby--this cannot not go on indefinitely... John, there is hope. I took a look at the actuarial tables shortly after joining this newsgripe, and it look like they are working in our favor. We can help it work by not turning into the very type of amateur that the tables are currently removing from hamdom. I've chatted with a 96 y.o. Ham on PSK31 who certainly doesn't fit that "Evil olde Hamme" description. He'd just gotten a new laptop, converting to XP from Win2k. A fine gentleman, and not afraid of learning and doing new things. It's not all bleak. Let us hope he continues to beat those tables. - Mike KB3EIA - |
John Smith wrote:
Haynie said: 1) "It's not that Amateur Radio is dumbed down," he said. "People like me have failed to keep up, and if you look in your heart, you're going to say the same thing." That happens to a lot of 'em. Odd, that, I think keeping up is a lot of the fun! 2) "...if you want people to come out of that examination room in here to be able to design circuits--you're in the wrong hobby." I wonder if that ever was the case in the old days. Somehow I doubt it. 3) "I said, if we come down on the side of code, we're going to make the no-code people mad, and if we come down on the side of the no-code, we're going to make the code people mad..." So ya should give it a good thinkin' through, and do what you thing is right. 4) "...he predicted that the Commission will never reinstate higher code speed requirements as some have requested." 5) "The FCC is not going to go back to 13 and 20 words per minute, and you can take that to the bank," he predicted. "It's not going to happen." The Commission went with the single 5 WPM requirement because it was "sick and tired" of dealing with medical waivers, he said. Although he has become a pretty smart "politician" and "diplomat"--it is obvious code is given very little if any importance. Now you can argue his words anyway you like--but you can't find one word of his which places ANY importance on it... He HAS said old amateurs have lost sense of reality, Actually, that staement isn't a quote, it is filler from the writer. He may have said some things about older hams, but it is a long way from telling them they have lost sense of reality. that is right there in no. 1) ... argue that anyway you like--into looking like a fool... Just sounded close to a quote. That's the problem. While I agree with what Haynie has said, I think you are injecting your own opinion into what he said. I've been a ham for 6 years now. I came up through the new system. An awful lot of the oddballs on the air appear to have been licensed for quite a while, and I assume they are tested to more than 5wpm. Yeah, someone will probably point out the old waiver system. But I doubt that every kook and jammer got a waiver. The new guys and gals are not any worse than the old ones. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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John Smith wrote:
Cmd Buzz Corey: I think they had it right when I entered this discussion--my advice to you, "stop corn holing young boys--get a pilots license so you can redeem yourself" grin You and wogie seem to be fasinicated by this young boy thing. Wonder just who is doing the cornholing? |
rom: K4YZ MrWarmth@StreetPunksRus on Jun 9, 2:07 am
John Smith wrote: "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: Haynie mentioned you in no 1), someone who won't admit they are killing the hobby... you aren't anything but a self-centered jerk with a big ego and self-opinion, And you aren't anything but a know-nothing cber who couldn't pass the exam for a ham license if your miserable life depended upon it. You are a silly old man, I am indeed licensed... Not likely. Ah, but "Cmd Buzz Corey" is a "real person?" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! but that should make little difference...(SNIP) It makes a LOT of difference. Not really. :-) It establishes from what point of reference that you make your assertions. It's called an "informed opinion". Tsk. Stebie is "informed?" Who informed on Stebie? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! Lennie is an example of a lot of fluff without experience. He "knows" a lot from what he cuts and pastes...no more...no less... Tsk, tsk. "Informed" Stebie make like Big Shot again. Worse, he spell "shot" with an O instead of an I. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Poor Stebie, unable to read books? Unable to attend school and learn something? Stebie born with knowledge of ham? Stebie flunk out of correspondence school? Tsk, tsk. So far you've offered nothing but hit and run, anonymous quips with little or no substantiation of your "opinions". Tsk, tsk. "Cmd Buzz Corey" true person-identity? No? Is okay. Stebie think "Cmd Buzz Corey" okay, "Corey" think same as Stebie, very "informed." BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! (UNSNIP)...you are a crafty old buzzard always anxious to side track facts into a gutter of personal attacks and rants on someones present status...(SNIP) And so far you've done/said nothing except to make your OWN "gutter of personal attacks". So what's the difference? OOOOOOOOO!!!! "Snippy" Stebie come to "defense" of anony-mouse "Corey"! Big FIGHT begin. Mighty warrior Stebie FIGHT for "informed truth," justice, and the murine corpse way! (UNSNIP)....--too me--you just look like a damn street smart punk which knows a few tricks--and dirty underhanded ones at that... Lessee...You're anonymous...apparently unlicensed...not a bit of substantiation of ANY assertion... Ooooooo!!!!! More FIGHT by mighty warrior Stebie!! All gather 'round. Last Action Hero show how to FIGHT! "Cmd Buzz Corey" get whupped, Stebie da Wundermarine to the rescue! FIGHT! FIGHT! Fight for right of anony-mouse on side of Stebie! Hypocrisy united!! Yep..."damn street punk" WITHOUT the "smarts"... Stebie wanna have FIGHT in parking lot? FIGHT over parking place? FIGHT over speed bumps? Snarl, Stebie, snarl. You mighty. You mighty Joe Young, big ape. Pound chest, roar. Demonstrate MIGHT of modern ham radio operator! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!!! Stebie HERO. Pin medal on Stebie. Courage under fire in self-ignited FLAME WAR started by anony-mouse arsonist! BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pbthththththth |
.... seeing how changing from windows 2000 to xp has all the complexity
of changing the bathroom rug from a blue one to a green one... that is un-helpful... Regards, John "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... bb wrote: John Smith wrote: Yes. Well, you cannot disguise the fact that the over 60 crowd just don't have the energy or enthusiasm as the teenage to 30 crowd--or the fact that these younger people are actively engaged in the research, development and production phases of electronics. Why they may effectively hang on limiting the hobby--this cannot not go on indefinitely... John, there is hope. I took a look at the actuarial tables shortly after joining this newsgripe, and it look like they are working in our favor. We can help it work by not turning into the very type of amateur that the tables are currently removing from hamdom. I've chatted with a 96 y.o. Ham on PSK31 who certainly doesn't fit that "Evil olde Hamme" description. He'd just gotten a new laptop, converting to XP from Win2k. A fine gentleman, and not afraid of learning and doing new things. It's not all bleak. Let us hope he continues to beat those tables. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: wrote: What do you suggest? That the seniors quit ham radio? Smitty thinks all hams should be like him. Boy, talk about the death of ham radio, that would do it. You bet. Somewhere around here today he posted about his CB operations, had his station inspected TWICE, has "enemies who play dirty tricks on him" . . exactly the kind of operator profile ham radio needs like it needs a hole in the head. |
N2EY:
Granted, things are EXAGGERATED in my text... it is done to emphasize the point... We seem at this point of where you, "have to hit them over the head with a 2x4 just to get their attention." If they are shocked, angry and ready to have a go at me--so much the better... I am not really a "heartless old *******", although I play the part well... grin .... we need to give these young guys a break... frankly, you guys may have all been different than me with my first novice ticket--however, I know a was a young-dumb-smart-ass... now it is my turn to pay back what those guys who put up with me back then went though--and it would help if we all chipped in here a bit... Not all hams are evil--in fact, I really have NEVER met a truly evil one--so you won't get me to argue that--but some have their actions, motivations and goals a bit misplaced... .... "old buzzards" may have been a bit over-stated on my part... grin .... long as we can all talk and "get real" we can work something out--I am sure... Warmest regards, John wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: You just dismissed the fact that Haynie is seeing a real problem here, he is beginning to tell hams to stop acting like such immature jerks Folks like W5JBP have been saying that for a long time. They're right, of course. and get with the program Which "program", though? --you take these words are turn them into him giving you an "Atta Boy!" Not me. If you are fool enough to believe that you will have to... such denial, avoidance and BS has stagnated us to the point where all there are, are a bunch of guys out there too old to be of interest to QSO with- -the young guys know that and you can tell them different till the cows come home--it will not change one thing... There's a lot more than "a bunch of guys too old to be of interest" - but you have to go where they are. I am 52 and most are too old for me... long winded rants about yesteryear and such is a real turn off to this guy... I am 51, been a ham more than 37 years. In all that time, there have always been the "old buzzards" doing what you describe. There have also always been folks who are a lot different, regardless of age. I cringe when I see the expressions on the young mens face who hear it on my demos of radio... And how do you do these demos? You show them voice operating, right? 75, 20, 2 meters? Try expanding the horizons to other modes, like PSK31, Pactor, and (gasp) Morse Code. Different worlds, different people. You sit there thinking all is well--I can tell you are past anything but an argument for maintaining status quo... You really mean to tell me you feel the bands out there are "congested?" Depends what bands, modes and when. |
Kelly:
You don't see a problem, you are unaware that a problem exists and/or are in denial... for you, we will come back again next year and look at the license figures again--you simply need more proof and a year should in time should provide it... when we reach a point where you finally admit there is a problem--we will be able to move forward from there... Warmest regards, John wrote in message ups.com... John Smith wrote: You just dismissed the fact that Haynie is seeing a real problem here, Bull****, he cited several completely separate problems and I already stated that I more or less agree with him on all counts. he is beginning to tell hams to stop acting like such immature jerks and get with the program--you take these words are turn them into him giving you an "Atta Boy!" "Atta Boy" for WHAT?? If you are fool enough to believe that you will have to... such denial, avoidance and BS has stagnated us to the point where all there are, are a bunch of guys out there too old to be of interest to QSO with--the young guys know that and you can tell them different till the cows come home--it will not change one thing... What do you suggest? That the seniors quit ham radio? I am 52 and most are too old for me... . . that's obvious but not for the reasons you think it is . . long winded rants about yesteryear and such is a real turn off to this guy... Too damned bad about that, they have the licenses and they're allowed to chit chat about history if that's their interest. If you don't like it fine, twist the big knob on the front of your radio and go somewhere else which is what I do. I cringe when I see the expressions on the young mens face who hear it on my demos of radio... Yeah yeah, the kids I hung out with on the corner a half century ago didn't think much of ham radio either. You sit there thinking all is well--I can tell you are past anything but an argument for maintaining status quo... You really mean to tell me you feel the bands out there are "congested?" Where the hell have I used the term "congestion" anywhere ?! Tell someone without a radio--they just might believe you... We both hear Haynies words you think he is saying, "Good Job Guys!" I challenge that all right, I hear him saying, "Get with it old fools!!!" You're simply an irrational/incoherent waste of bandwidth and time. 'Bye. John w3rv |
Cmd Buzz Corey:
I think they had it right when I entered this discussion--my advice to you, "stop corn holing young boys--get a pilots license so you can redeem yourself" grin John "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... wrote: What do you suggest? That the seniors quit ham radio? Smitty thinks all hams should be like him. Boy, talk about the death of ham radio, that would do it. |
K4YZ:
No. We are Americans first, fathers, good members of communities, etc... about a hundred really important things--before we need ever list the fact we are a ham... I don't need "ham worship" and the guys who are drifting around after it make me puke... that is just how it is with me... I hang my master and Phd on the wall because those really did take hard work and are truly a demonstration of proving myself a scholar... my ham license hangs at the station because it is required by law!!! I will give you a thousand reasons I am a worthwhile human being before I ever get to the fact I am a viet vet and ham... those two things I did for my own reasons... not really to serve any one else more than to serve myself... Even at 52 I come from an age when men were really men--it meant something then to be a man, to protect the innocent, the weak, the women, the children, American pie... Today, I watch bellyachers lobby for more difficult barriers to be placed in front of some--hell, I fought to make America the land of milk and honey--and it is far different today than I would have it... I can do one thing, and that is to "hand down" and pull up the ones who will, all too soon, take my place--stand my responsibilities and hold the reins... One thing I wish to avoid until the day I die is becoming a bitter old man decrying what a waste the youth are in this world--how deserving I am--and how deserving all others--if you have not understood from my words up to and at this point let me spell it out for you--SUCH "MEN" make me sick and afraid it has all been for naught! Warmest regards, John "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: Haynie mentioned you in no 1), someone who won't admit they are killing the hobby... you aren't anything but a self-centered jerk with a big ego and self-opinion, And you aren't anything but a know-nothing cber who couldn't pass the exam for a ham license if your miserable life depended upon it. You are a silly old man, I am indeed licensed... Not likely. but that should make little difference...(SNIP) It makes a LOT of difference. It establishes from what point of reference that you make your assertions. It's called an "informed opinion". Lennie is an example of a lot of fluff without experience. He "knows" a lot from what he cuts and pastes...no more...no less... Just like you so far. (UNSNIP...that argument is not what I am, but what the hobby is and where it is going...(SNIP) And you know this? So far you've offered nothing but hit and run, anonymous quips with little or no substantiation of your "opinions". (UNSNIP)...you are a crafty old buzzard always anxious to side track facts into a gutter of personal attacks and rants on someones present status...(SNIP) And so far you've done/said nothing except to make your OWN "gutter of personal attacks". So what's the difference? (UNSNIP)....--too me--you just look like a damn street smart punk which knows a few tricks--and dirty underhanded ones at that... Lessee...You're anonymous...apparently unlicensed...not a bit of substantiation of ANY assertion... Yep..."damn street punk" WITHOUT the "smarts"... Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: John Smith wrote: You just dismissed the fact that Haynie is seeing a real problem here, he is beginning to tell hams to stop acting like such immature jerks and get with the program-- Has he been reading old copies of Wayne Green's editorials in "73 Magazine?" you take these words are turn them into him giving you an "Atta Boy!" I am wondering who he's allegedly talking to, then. Allegedly? He's talking to you. He's talking to all of us. Didn't you follow the link to the ARRL site? Go back up the the top, and click on the blue thingy. Those problems don't seem to be manifest here. Hi! |
.... you know, like a silly old fart, I was too long winded in that last
piece... let me have a chance to say it better, to say it right! NO ONE OWES ME A DAMN THING--IT HAS BEEN MY DAMN PLEASURE TO HAVE BEEN GRANTED THE ABILITY TO SERVE THIS COUNTRY AND MY FELLOW CITIZENS--WITH OUT SUCH I WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTHING... .... and it only hurts when I see gay faggots yelling in the streets for their "rights", and REAL men remaining silent... Warmest regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... K4YZ: No. We are Americans first, fathers, good members of communities, etc... about a hundred really important things--before we need ever list the fact we are a ham... I don't need "ham worship" and the guys who are drifting around after it make me puke... that is just how it is with me... I hang my master and Phd on the wall because those really did take hard work and are truly a demonstration of proving myself a scholar... my ham license hangs at the station because it is required by law!!! I will give you a thousand reasons I am a worthwhile human being before I ever get to the fact I am a viet vet and ham... those two things I did for my own reasons... not really to serve any one else more than to serve myself... Even at 52 I come from an age when men were really men--it meant something then to be a man, to protect the innocent, the weak, the women, the children, American pie... Today, I watch bellyachers lobby for more difficult barriers to be placed in front of some--hell, I fought to make America the land of milk and honey--and it is far different today than I would have it... I can do one thing, and that is to "hand down" and pull up the ones who will, all too soon, take my place--stand my responsibilities and hold the reins... One thing I wish to avoid until the day I die is becoming a bitter old man decrying what a waste the youth are in this world--how deserving I am--and how deserving all others--if you have not understood from my words up to and at this point let me spell it out for you--SUCH "MEN" make me sick and afraid it has all been for naught! Warmest regards, John "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: Haynie mentioned you in no 1), someone who won't admit they are killing the hobby... you aren't anything but a self-centered jerk with a big ego and self-opinion, And you aren't anything but a know-nothing cber who couldn't pass the exam for a ham license if your miserable life depended upon it. You are a silly old man, I am indeed licensed... Not likely. but that should make little difference...(SNIP) It makes a LOT of difference. It establishes from what point of reference that you make your assertions. It's called an "informed opinion". Lennie is an example of a lot of fluff without experience. He "knows" a lot from what he cuts and pastes...no more...no less... Just like you so far. (UNSNIP...that argument is not what I am, but what the hobby is and where it is going...(SNIP) And you know this? So far you've offered nothing but hit and run, anonymous quips with little or no substantiation of your "opinions". (UNSNIP)...you are a crafty old buzzard always anxious to side track facts into a gutter of personal attacks and rants on someones present status...(SNIP) And so far you've done/said nothing except to make your OWN "gutter of personal attacks". So what's the difference? (UNSNIP)....--too me--you just look like a damn street smart punk which knows a few tricks--and dirty underhanded ones at that... Lessee...You're anonymous...apparently unlicensed...not a bit of substantiation of ANY assertion... Yep..."damn street punk" WITHOUT the "smarts"... Steve, K4YZ |
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