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June 3rd 05, 04:34 AM
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What makes a person a real ham?
KOHB says The FCC says this: =A797.3 Definitions. (a) (1) Amateur operator. A person named in an amateur operator/primary station grant on the ULS consolidated licensee database If your name is on an unexpired license grant, you're a real ham. The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention of the word "ham" in the definition. "Ham" is a label given to certain people with a certain belief system. "Hams" are a subset of the group of Amateur operators. Not all amateur operators are "hams". What makes a person a Ham? There are too many characteristics to list. Hams like antennas, and Morse code. They usually don't like the technical aspect of the hobby (except for antennas). They are often older, and male. They like to use the terminology. They like to discuss ham politics. There are other characteristics of a ham, which I will not list. Is it doing more then 5 wpm code? Yes, this is absolutely required to be accepted as a ham. Is it being accepted by certain other hams? Hams share certain beliefs and characteristics. Without acceptance, one cannot be a "true" ham. Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of license they hold now? Sorry, I do not know or understand the question. As for the class of licence they hold right now, Morse code is required above the Technician class. Those in the Technician class can still be hams, as long as they agree with ham beliefs. One of those beliefs, of course, is that they will eventually learn Morse code. Can a person climb to Extra with today's test and be considered a real ham? Yes, of course. Is yodoc aka K3LT a real ham, or the one to determine who is a real ham? I don't know. Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away license" ever be considered a real ham? The license is a "give away" - no disputing that. I answered this question above. You are still a ham if you believe, and will eventually learn Morse code. Does getting a vanity license that is an older call such as K8*** or WD8*** make you a real ham? I don't know. I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a cb'er or no coder as the toad says? I'm not being a troll, I would really like to know the answers to this! How did you know about the vanity license? |
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June 3rd 05, 11:21 AM
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June 4th 05, 12:50 AM
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"K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: KC8GXW wrote: VIPPY! Your're back! The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention of the word "ham" in the definition. GROAN. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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#4
June 4th 05, 01:47 AM
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: KC8GXW wrote: VIPPY! Your're back! The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention of the word "ham" in the definition. GROAN. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Hello, Dee I see you got suckered into reading this thread too ...  73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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#5
June 4th 05, 02:46 AM
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"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: KC8GXW wrote: VIPPY! Your're back! The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention of the word "ham" in the definition. GROAN. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Hello, Dee I see you got suckered into reading this thread too ... 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA I wasn't groaning about the thread but about Vipul rejoining the group with the same old tired rants that he had before. He thinks that hamfests and ham radio should be a place where he can pick up sexy girls. Since he keeps getting that illusion shattered, he rants and raves about it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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#6
June 4th 05, 03:02 AM
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Well, I do like the women to at least have all their teeth...
John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: KC8GXW wrote: VIPPY! Your're back! The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention of the word "ham" in the definition. GROAN. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Hello, Dee I see you got suckered into reading this thread too ... 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA I wasn't groaning about the thread but about Vipul rejoining the group with the same old tired rants that he had before. He thinks that hamfests and ham radio should be a place where he can pick up sexy girls. Since he keeps getting that illusion shattered, he rants and raves about it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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#7
June 4th 05, 08:26 AM
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Dee Flint wrote: He thinks that hamfests and ham radio should be a place where he can pick up sexy girls. Since he keeps getting that illusion shattered, he rants and raves about it. Ah-ah-ahhhhhhhhh, Dee! let's get the "terminology" right... ...it's "preeti fems"... 73! Steve, K4YZ |
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#8
June 4th 05, 05:02 PM
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Shucks, since my yf (KB9MII) and I met at a hamvention, does that mean we
need to split up -- even if I still think she's the sexiest woman left of the Mississippi? {;-) Jim I wasn't groaning about the thread but about Vipul rejoining the group with the same old tired rants that he had before. He thinks that hamfests and ham radio should be a place where he can pick up sexy girls. Since he keeps getting that illusion shattered, he rants and raves about it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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#9
June 4th 05, 05:02 PM
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: KC8GXW wrote: VIPPY! Your're back! Hello Vipul. The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention of the word "ham" in the definition. Oh crap....same old rhetoric...I see you haven't changed! He see's that you haven't either. "Ham" is a label given to certain people with a certain belief system. What "belief systems", Vipul...?!?! "Belief systems" is a catch-phrase you usurped from Lennie Anderson. Lennie is NOT a good role model to scam lines from. People don't have belief systems? Hams like antennas, and Morse code. They usually don't like the technical aspect of the hobby (except for antennas). (Here we go again....) (There YOU go again...) Who says so, Vipul...?!?! What organization, rule or entity made this "rule"...?!?! I've asked you this before and you've never explained yourself. Yet I see no mention of a "rule." Whatever are you talking about, Steve? They are often older, and male. So...Shall we implement euthansia and castration if a licensee dares to get older or have the wrong chromosomes...?!?! Shall you? They like to use the terminology. Uhhhhh...yyyeahhhh...It's called "communication"...In order to effectively express and exchange ideas there has to be some agreed upon language and terms relating to the intended topic, Vipul. QSL. Please name me ANY sport, science, avocation, passtime or other human pursuit that DOESN'T have 'terminology', Vipul. So amateurs have terminology and -don't- like to use it? Are you agreeing with Vipul or disagreeing with Vipul??? They like to discuss ham politics. As opposed to roast beef politics...?!?! Chicken politics. Squawk, squawk. Like saying "Lessee....430" without explanation. There are other characteristics of a ham, which I will not list. Of course not. Of course. Is it doing more then 5 wpm code? Yes, this is absolutely required to be accepted as a ham. Who says? Where is this stated? In what FCC rule or ARRL by-law is it established? Is it in invisible ink on my FCC Form 660? I disagree with Vipul on this one. Five WPM wasn't enough to be accepted as a full ham by many practioners of the ancient art. Is it being accepted by certain other hams? Hams share certain beliefs and characteristics. Baptists share certain beliefs and characteristics. So do dentists. Police, Fire and EMS personnel have their own beliefs. So do Hindus, NASCAR drivers and cat lovers. What belief system do you share? What was YOUR point? What was your point in saying, "Lessee....430?" Without acceptance, one cannot be a "true" ham. Sure you can. I agree with Steve on this one. You just have to ignore the knuckle-heads that would put you down for not attaining ever higher Morse Code speeds. Lennie doesn't accept ANY of us... Not true. Does that mean we don't exist? You exist in a negative way. Once and for all, Vipul... There is no one person, group, organization, entity or "belief system" that dictates what makes a "good ham". Not according to Larry, Dick, or Kelly. Unfortunately, if only more amateur on here would come forward and condemn those who exhibit the characteristics of a "bad ham," such as yourself... Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of license they hold now? Sorry, I do not know or understand the question. Did you need it in another language? Seemed pretty straight forward to me. Bruce has his Extra. Seems like most of the trouble-makers are Extras. As for the class of licence they hold right now, Morse code is required above the Technician class. Those in the Technician class can still be hams, as long as they agree with ham beliefs. One of those beliefs, of course, is that they will eventually learn Morse code. You keep saying this but you never explain yourself. The have to profess the faith, and frequently claim that they are "studying the Morse Code." Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away license" ever be considered a real ham? The license is a "give away" - no disputing that. Sure there is. Todays entry level license exam contains far more breadth and depth of radio communications knowledge than any entry level license in the history of amateur radio. To the best of my knowledge no one is "given" a license. Everyone is required to take one of several written exams. If they opt to operate on HF, they must take a Morse Code exam. Captain Obvious. And despite the fact that the license IS markedly easier to get these days, people still manage to fail the exams. Ergo it's NOT a "giveaway"... Far more difficult... How did you know about the vanity license? Uhhhhhhhhhhhh...read about it? K4CAP...? Maybe it was in some of that "terminology" you seem to think is so bad... Steve, K4YZ Terminology like, "Lessee....430?" |
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#10
June 4th 05, 06:31 PM
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bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: KC8GXW wrote: VIPPY! Your're back! Hello Vipul. The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention of the word "ham" in the definition. Oh crap....same old rhetoric...I see you haven't changed! He see's that you haven't either. How do you know? Mental telepathy? (Or are you just "mental", which is more likely) "Ham" is a label given to certain people with a certain belief system. What "belief systems", Vipul...?!?! "Belief systems" is a catch-phrase you usurped from Lennie Anderson. Lennie is NOT a good role model to scam lines from. People don't have belief systems? Sure they do. But your mentor uses the term "belief system" as if it were dirty. He has "belief systems" too, but they don't seem to include honesty, trustworthiness or strength of character. Hams like antennas, and Morse code. They usually don't like the technical aspect of the hobby (except for antennas). (Here we go again....) (There YOU go again...) Who says so, Vipul...?!?! What organization, rule or entity made this "rule"...?!?! I've asked you this before and you've never explained yourself. Yet I see no mention of a "rule." Whatever are you talking about, Steve? Gee, Brain...You got the point but didn't even knoiw it... There's no "rule"...Yet Vippy seems to think there is. Good for you. They are often older, and male. So...Shall we implement euthansia and castration if a licensee dares to get older or have the wrong chromosomes...?!?! Shall you? Care to be number 1? I can help you either way you care to go... They like to use the terminology. Uhhhhh...yyyeahhhh...It's called "communication"...In order to effectively express and exchange ideas there has to be some agreed upon language and terms relating to the intended topic, Vipul. QSL. Please name me ANY sport, science, avocation, passtime or other human pursuit that DOESN'T have 'terminology', Vipul. So amateurs have terminology and -don't- like to use it? Are you agreeing with Vipul or disagreeing with Vipul??? I am humiliating Vipul. HE seems to think that there's some black undertones to Amateurs using subject-specific terminology. I have pointed out to him, repeatedly, that there is NO human endeavor that doesn't ahve it's own "lingo". They like to discuss ham politics. As opposed to roast beef politics...?!?! Chicken politics. Squawk, squawk. Like saying "Lessee....430" without explanation. No expalnation is necessary. Just like no explanation for illegal operating from Somalia. Or for what "major role" unlicensed devices play in "emergency comms". And don't forget those overblown ARES folks who won't respond to a callout... Still waiting on those, Brain... There are other characteristics of a ham, which I will not list. Of course not. Of course. Is it doing more then 5 wpm code? Yes, this is absolutely required to be accepted as a ham. Who says? Where is this stated? In what FCC rule or ARRL by-law is it established? Is it in invisible ink on my FCC Form 660? I disagree with Vipul on this one. Five WPM wasn't enough to be accepted as a full ham by many practioners of the ancient art. "Many"...?!?! I would interpret "many" as to be a significant percentage. What's YOUR call, Brain? 10%? 35%? 50%..?!?! From what demographic do you get your data? Is it being accepted by certain other hams? Hams share certain beliefs and characteristics. Baptists share certain beliefs and characteristics. So do dentists. Police, Fire and EMS personnel have their own beliefs. So do Hindus, NASCAR drivers and cat lovers. What belief system do you share? Hmmmmm? Which one? I am basically conservative in my politics. I am a former Paramedic and and presently an ACLS Nurse. I am a licensed aviator. Not to mention a 30+ year licensed Amateur. What was YOUR point? What was your point in saying, "Lessee....430?" What was your point in "Somalia", "unlicensed devices", "ARES", etc etc etc? Without acceptance, one cannot be a "true" ham. Sure you can. I agree with Steve on this one. You just have to ignore the knuckle-heads that would put you down for not attaining ever higher Morse Code speeds. Then I can assume you now publically acknowledge that I have stated, now and in the past, that being a 20+WPM code deamon is not a prerequisite to being a good Amateur? Lennie doesn't accept ANY of us... Not true. He doesn't. He talks nice to you because of your public expression of "admration" fro him in the face of copious evidence that he's a chronic liar. Does that mean we don't exist? You exist in a negative way. No more or less than you, Brain. Once and for all, Vipul... There is no one person, group, organization, entity or "belief system" that dictates what makes a "good ham". Not according to Larry, Dick, or Kelly. Oh? Where? I've enver seen one of them state that one and only one person, group organization, entity or belief system is the only true one. Quotes, please. Unfortunately, if only more amateur on here would come forward and condemn those who exhibit the characteristics of a "bad ham," such as yourself... But what transpires in here is NOT "Amateur Radio". You can discuss my on-air operating with K0HB, K8MN and N2EY if you care to. N0IMD is not in my log, on ANY mode. Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of license they hold now? Sorry, I do not know or understand the question. Did you need it in another language? Seemed pretty straight forward to me. Bruce has his Extra. Seems like most of the trouble-makers are Extras. Every bag of potatoes has one spoiled in it. Bruce is Amateur Radio's spoiled potatoe. You'll please note that no one here with an Extra, other than Bruce, LIKES Bruce. As for the class of licence they hold right now, Morse code is required above the Technician class. Those in the Technician class can still be hams, as long as they agree with ham beliefs. One of those beliefs, of course, is that they will eventually learn Morse code. You keep saying this but you never explain yourself. The have to profess the faith, and frequently claim that they are "studying the Morse Code." Who are "the", Brain? (I know you meant "they")...??? Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away license" ever be considered a real ham? The license is a "give away" - no disputing that. Sure there is. Todays entry level license exam contains far more breadth and depth of radio communications knowledge than any entry level license in the history of amateur radio. Yep. Since 1991. Lennie's never availed himself of it. To the best of my knowledge no one is "given" a license. Everyone is required to take one of several written exams. If they opt to operate on HF, they must take a Morse Code exam. Captain Obvious. Obviously not. Jim (GXW) called it a "give away" and Vipul agreed. I agree that it's almost childishly simple to get, however folks still manage to fail it at a regular basis. It's still not a "give away". And despite the fact that the license IS markedly easier to get these days, people still manage to fail the exams. Ergo it's NOT a "giveaway"... Far more difficult... How did you know about the vanity license? Uhhhhhhhhhhhh...read about it? K4CAP...? And K4YZ. And I read about the program, just like I suggest above. Your point? Maybe it was in some of that "terminology" you seem to think is so bad... Steve, K4YZ Terminology like, "Lessee....430?" Like "unlicensed devices", "overblown ARES", etc etc etc... Steve, K4YZ |
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