"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
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"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
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KC8GXW wrote:

But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that
Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a
give
away tech license!

Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know
what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes.

73 de Jim, N2EY


I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you
ask?
Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the
person.
Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the
test.
A give away.

And lets not even talk about the CW situation.

It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham
radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and
don't want to use to to order a pizza.

Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time.

Dan/W4NTI



Is there really any need for much technical knowledge to obtain a ham
license anymore? Why a need for technical knowlege when setting up and
operating a station today is simply plug-an-play? How many hams constuct
any equipment they use on the air any more? The most tech knowledge that
might be required is maybe how to build and put up and adjust an
antenna.
Perhaps the test should focus more on rules, regulations and proper
operating procedures. The most technical that hams get today is knowing
how many frequencies they can store in the radios memory.


I am not all that concerned about the "technical knowledge" side of the
test.
I think basic technical knowledge is all that is really necessary. Like
being
able to cut a simple dipole, understand the terminology, have a working
knowledge in block diagram format, for what is happening inside that
radio.

And I totally agree that the test should be heavy on rules, regs, and
PROPER
OPERATING PROCEDURES....like don't talk CB Crap on HF SSB. \

As you say Dan, with the joke they use for testing today, no technical
knowledge is required anyway, just memorize the answers to the questions
and off you go. So maybe if the tests were geared more to regs and
operating procedures, then even with the memoriziation some of it might
soak in and maybe there would less cb type operating on the ham bands.

We agree it lots here, eh?

It is pretty bad when as I heard not long ago on a 2 meter reperter, "I
just got my license, can someone tell me what frequencies I can
operate?"
Cheeese.


Or what I heard on the 75meter EKTRA band......I wanna cut a new dipole
for 80m phone (First off what is 80 meter phone?)(I always thought it was
75meter phone). Out of the 5 people in the group, one had it right.
Amazing.

Even wogie wussman passed the test, that in itself speaks volumns about
how easy the they are.

He should have done real good the second time around...yuk yuk.

Dan/W4NTI



Hello, again, Dan

Yep, 75 is phone, 80 is CW. At least that was the reference back in the
days.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Hello, Dan

How about 85 watts on 24 GHz?

Naw, nothing technical going on in amateur radio.

Just plug the mic thingy in here and stick the antenna thingy in there.

)


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
k.net...
We have plenty of hi-tech stuff going on in Amateur Radio. Just not all
that much at HF or on the two meter CB band of FM machines.

Just off the top of my head.....ever hear of AMSAT? You know those
satellite thingy's?

Or how about digital voice on HF? Digital SlowScan? Or for that matter
digital fast scan TV? Then of course the utter glut of new and
experimental
digital modes....too many to even talk about here. Then don't forget the
EME (moonbounce) with WSJT program that allows you to do what it took a KW
and 4 / 16 element phased yagis to do just a decade ago, with only 150
watts OR LESS?

So lets not talk about hams not doing anything technical.

Next BS line.

Dan/W4NTI

wrote:

...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder...(SNIP)

Geeeze, Lennie...

Even on the Anniversary of D-Day, you continue to make a parody of
the Tomb of the Unknowns.

Yet you continue to try and convince all of us on what a great,
patriotic Veteran you are, sensitive to the plight of your fellow
servicemen.

And once again you prove the REST of us right when we call you a
self-serving blight on ALL Veterans. A liar for the ages.

What you ARE, is a disgrace to the uniform you wore and a footprint
on the graves of men who DID serve their country unselfishly.

Scumbag.

Steve, K4YZ

Jim:

Sanity test? Be careful what you suggest. If they began checking for
sanity the bands would be empty!!!

Warmest regards,
John
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
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"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
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"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
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Oh, I almost forgot W2OY. He's been SK for many years now, but
other
lids
have jumped right in to fill the gap.

I remember his well. In fact I was insulted by him several times
on 75
when
he slapped me around for having a K8 call.....hi.

Didn't a club pick up his call?

Dan/W4NTI



Hello, Dan

Yes, it is a club call now. OY jumped on my frequency once on 75
when I
was
chatting with a station in Ohio. Guess what? The Ohio station was
a
good
cw op and we changed to cw. At first, I tried signing 73 with him
at
about
20 words per minute. He came back stating cw was fine with him.
Inside
of
30 seconds we kept asking each other "qrq?" and rapidly cranked up
to
about
40 words per minute. With the q-multiplier cranked up, I couldn't
even
hear
W2OY. I briefly turned it down to hear him moaning and groaning
for us
to
"take those toys down into the cw band!". LOL. He didn't bither
us a
bot!

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



And this after the goof jumped on top of your qso, my oh my a two
letter
suffix LID... hi.

Dan/W4NTI



Hello, Dan

Since you have been licensed since 1961, I shouldn't have to point out
that
there has never been a sanity test for an amateur radio license )


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

From: "K4YZ" on Tues 7 Jun 2005 01:56


And once again you prove the REST of us right when we call you a
self-serving blight on ALL Veterans. A liar for the ages.

What you ARE, is a disgrace to the uniform you wore and a footprint
on the graves of men who DID serve their country unselfishly.

Scumbag.



...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary
figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely
path of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron
in the other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air,
interspersed with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet
extinct. The Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep
in the valley of neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single
sentinel counts cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux
you" between the slow steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do
bottle but only sipping a cup of unkindness. It is sad but the
sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknown Solder keeps going. He does
not know why and that is the tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the
Tomb of the Unknown Solder leaving only the red light of fire in
the eyes of the muttering sentinel. Those glow in the dark like
LED pilot lights. Hatred lives on in his twilight of despair.

Temper fry.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Jim:

Sanity test? Be careful what you suggest. If they began checking for
sanity the bands would be empty!!!

Warmest regards,
John


Hello, John

Heaven help us if they had a sanity test for this group! Talk about empty!
)


Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
k.net...

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

Oh, I almost forgot W2OY. He's been SK for many years now, but
other
lids
have jumped right in to fill the gap.

I remember his well. In fact I was insulted by him several times on
75
when
he slapped me around for having a K8 call.....hi.

Didn't a club pick up his call?

Dan/W4NTI



Hello, Dan

Yes, it is a club call now. OY jumped on my frequency once on 75 when
I
was
chatting with a station in Ohio. Guess what? The Ohio station was a
good
cw op and we changed to cw. At first, I tried signing 73 with him at
about
20 words per minute. He came back stating cw was fine with him.
Inside
of
30 seconds we kept asking each other "qrq?" and rapidly cranked up to
about
40 words per minute. With the q-multiplier cranked up, I couldn't even
hear
W2OY. I briefly turned it down to hear him moaning and groaning for us
to
"take those toys down into the cw band!". LOL. He didn't bither us a
bot!

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



And this after the goof jumped on top of your qso, my oh my a two
letter
suffix LID... hi.

Dan/W4NTI



Hello, Dan

Since you have been licensed since 1961, I shouldn't have to point out
that
there has never been a sanity test for an amateur radio license )


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


Ur right there Jim...hi....perhaps we need one? Nah.....no one would be
allowed on then.

Ya gotta be a lil bit crazy to like this radio stuff.

Dan/W4NTI

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
k.net...

"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

KC8GXW wrote:

But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that
Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a
give
away tech license!

Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know
what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes.

73 de Jim, N2EY


I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you
ask?
Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the
person.
Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the
test.
A give away.

And lets not even talk about the CW situation.

It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of
ham
radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and
don't want to use to to order a pizza.

Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time.

Dan/W4NTI



Is there really any need for much technical knowledge to obtain a ham
license anymore? Why a need for technical knowlege when setting up and
operating a station today is simply plug-an-play? How many hams
constuct
any equipment they use on the air any more? The most tech knowledge
that
might be required is maybe how to build and put up and adjust an
antenna.
Perhaps the test should focus more on rules, regulations and proper
operating procedures. The most technical that hams get today is knowing
how many frequencies they can store in the radios memory.


I am not all that concerned about the "technical knowledge" side of the
test.
I think basic technical knowledge is all that is really necessary. Like
being
able to cut a simple dipole, understand the terminology, have a working
knowledge in block diagram format, for what is happening inside that
radio.

And I totally agree that the test should be heavy on rules, regs, and
PROPER
OPERATING PROCEDURES....like don't talk CB Crap on HF SSB. \

As you say Dan, with the joke they use for testing today, no technical
knowledge is required anyway, just memorize the answers to the
questions
and off you go. So maybe if the tests were geared more to regs and
operating procedures, then even with the memoriziation some of it might
soak in and maybe there would less cb type operating on the ham bands.

We agree it lots here, eh?

It is pretty bad when as I heard not long ago on a 2 meter reperter, "I
just got my license, can someone tell me what frequencies I can
operate?"
Cheeese.


Or what I heard on the 75meter EKTRA band......I wanna cut a new dipole
for 80m phone (First off what is 80 meter phone?)(I always thought it was
75meter phone). Out of the 5 people in the group, one had it right.
Amazing.

Even wogie wussman passed the test, that in itself speaks volumns about
how easy the they are.

He should have done real good the second time around...yuk yuk.

Dan/W4NTI



Hello, again, Dan

Yep, 75 is phone, 80 is CW. At least that was the reference back in the
days.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA





And for all those that are "confused".....here it is;

300/Fmhz = length in meters.

thus......300/4.0Mhz = 75meters.

300/3.75Mhz= 80meters.

and........300/3.5Mhz = 85.7meters.

see?

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:


And for all those that are "confused".....here it is;

300/Fmhz = length in meters.

thus......300/4.0Mhz = 75meters.

300/3.75Mhz= 80meters.

and........300/3.5Mhz = 85.7meters.

see?

Dan/W4NTI


But you should know what the 300 stands for, not it just being a number!
I'll bet I'm wrong, being a no code cb'er, but the 300 is the speed of
light in meters! to be more percise 299792458 meters per second.

KC8GXW wrote:



Dan/W4NTI wrote:


And for all those that are "confused".....here it is;

300/Fmhz = length in meters.

thus......300/4.0Mhz = 75meters.

300/3.75Mhz= 80meters.

and........300/3.5Mhz = 85.7meters.

see?

Dan/W4NTI


But you should know what the 300 stands for, not it just being a number!
I'll bet I'm wrong, being a no code cb'er, but the 300 is the speed of
light in meters! to be more percise 299792458 meters per second.

OOps see I told ya, the word is precise, now if only I could do 13 or
more words a minute and go back in time and get a W or K 1x3 call, I
wouldn't have made that mistake!