Dee Flint wrote:
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Michael Coslo wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:
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K4YZ wrote:

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John Smith wrote:


Len:

Yes, they do look the part of ancient toothless bullies--the faint
of
heart have fled in fear before their rants (as so have the women,
children, small animals and gays)...

And they ask who chased away the No Code Techs.

Who chased away the NCT's, Brain...?!?!

You keep reiterating this assinine assertion that is, in fact,
untruthful, yet you continue to DODGE answering the question?

I talked with two NCT's on the way home fromwork last night...They
weren't lost..knew right where they were.

Perhaps you didn't see Dee, Dan and Dave's prejudice in the "Where are
All the Techs" thread. It's all pretty self-explanatory, and as plain
as that gut of yours in the QRZ photo.



Interesting how you can derive prejudice from a simple question.

Probably becuase the question often gets answers that are not in line
with other people's prejudices.

Probably because the nature of the "simple" question is negative and is
seeking a like response.


Again you read in what is not there.

Probably because further dialog confirms an already negative viewpoint
of No Code Techs.


You read in what is not there. If you had been around for a while, you
would know that I have repeatedly expressed positive viewpoints of the no
code Techs. There are many of them who are heavily involved in the club to
which I belong and contribute a great deal to our club. Several of our
officers are no code Techs. Our satellite guru was a no code Tech until he
took time out to upgrade. Many of our no code Techs are johnny on the spot
in supporting public service events. Several becames ham solely because
they were interested in this aspect of ham radio. None of them are whining
about how tough it is to learn the code. Many of our public service people
have no interest in upgrading and that's no problem. We do not push them to
do so as they are getting what they want out of ham radio. Those who wish
to upgrade get our full support and help.

Probably because Dan and Dave chimed in with negative responses as
well.


No they express disdain only for the whiners.


Probably because I have seen many Extras with such attitudes, many of
them right here on RRAP.


Again it is only the whiners that get their hackles up not the no code Techs
in general.


break
Probably because Robber's Son keeps asking who chased away the Techs
when the answer is so plainly visible.


It is not at all "so plainly visible". All of us have reached out to those
who wanted/needed help to upgrade. Unfortunately all of us have experienced
those "know it all" individuals who think they know more than the
experienced amateurs.

It certainly does many of the techs get tired of being told how we NED
to upgrade, just at at your own words.

My first contact from the ARRL was a letter telling me how I needed to
upgrade

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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It certainly does many of the techs get tired of being told how we NED
to upgrade, just at at your own words.


Nope, never told anyone that they need to upgrade just for upgrading's sake.
I have however helped them learn what privileges are available should they
choose to do so.

My first contact from the ARRL was a letter telling me how I needed to
upgrade

Never received such a letter myself and do not know its content so cannot
comment on it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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It certainly does many of the techs get tired of being told how we NED
to upgrade, just at at your own words.


and do you even know how many such leures tech receive?

Nope, never told anyone that they need to upgrade just for upgrading's sake.
I have however helped them learn what privileges are available should they
choose to do so.

They learned those very likely studing for the tech License

My first contact from the ARRL was a letter telling me how I needed to
upgrade

Never received such a letter myself and do not know its content so cannot
comment on it.

You can of course but choose not to

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Mark Morgan, in the guise of an_old_friend wrote:

and do you even know how many such leures tech receive?

Lures? Leers? Levers?

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
Mark Morgan, in the guise of an_old_friend wrote:

and do you even know how many such leures tech receive?

Lures? Leers? Levers?

All of the above, although lectures was the original intent

jeers and harangs also fit
such as your s of couse too

Dave K8MN

Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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It certainly does many of the techs get tired of being told how we NED
to upgrade, just at at your own words.



Nope, never told anyone that they need to upgrade just for upgrading's sake.
I have however helped them learn what privileges are available should they
choose to do so.

Interesting discussion. Interseting implications here. In running the
GOTA station at Field Day, and in encouraging new folks to come up and
use the club station, I am often extolling the benefits of upgrading to
Technicians.

People who read into that that I am somehow prejudiced against the
Tech's have an active imagination.

Of course there are benefits to upgrading. Sounds like some people
*don't want* that to get out. Seems like now we're hearing that
encouragement to upgrade is chasing people away.

In addition, this has become an argument that those of us who work with
the Technicians and encourage them to increase their license level
somehow disdain those we encourage. Almost as if the tutors in hagh
school hate 11th graders because they help them pass their courses so
they can become 12th graders.

Good luck with that one guys!

Maybe we are just supposed to ignore the Technicians, because anything
we do appears to "chase them away".

Talk to 'em about Ham radio - chase 'em away

Don't talk to 'em - chase 'em away.

Encourage 'em - chase 'em away.

Uh-huh.......


Funny what happens when people try to defend a bogus argument.
_______________________________

We don't hate the Tech's

If they want to upgrade, we are there to help.

Sometimes expressing why they might want to learn something that they
think they have no use for in order to get there is helpful.

And BTW, the reaction to simple questions tells more about the
"reactee" than it does the person posing the question.


- Mike KB3EIA -

From: Michael Coslo on Jul 1, 8:46 am

Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message

It certainly does many of the techs get tired of being told how we NED
to upgrade, just at at your own words.

Nope, never told anyone that they need to upgrade just for upgrading's sake.
I have however helped them learn what privileges are available should they
choose to do so.

Interesting discussion. Interseting implications here. In running the
GOTA station at Field Day, and in encouraging new folks to come up and
use the club station, I am often extolling the benefits of upgrading to
Technicians.

"Upgrade to Technician?!?" From what, Novice class?

People who read into that that I am somehow prejudiced against the
Tech's have an active imagination.

The Coslonaut is a PCTA extra. That's an automatic placement
into the Elitist look-down-the-nose at "lesser classes" group.

Of course there are benefits to upgrading. Sounds like some people
*don't want* that to get out. Seems like now we're hearing that
encouragement to upgrade is chasing people away.

Sweetie, the "encouragement" of being anal-retentitve PCTA extras
is enough to chase folks away.


In addition, this has become an argument that those of us who work with
the Technicians and encourage them to increase their license level
somehow disdain those we encourage. Almost as if the tutors in hagh
school hate 11th graders because they help them pass their courses so
they can become 12th graders.

THIRD GRADERS can become EXTRAS. You were saying...?


Good luck with that one guys!

No problem. Your "reasoning" allows replies to be written
automatically...as if "it writes itself."


Maybe we are just supposed to ignore the Technicians, because anything
we do appears to "chase them away".

Acting like Elitist PCTA extras will do that every time...


Talk to 'em about Ham radio - chase 'em away

"Work the world with 'CW'" In 2005. BWAHAHAHAHAHAH....


Don't talk to 'em - chase 'em away.

Encourage 'em - chase 'em away.

Tsk. You haven't learned any salesmanship or just plain getting-
along-with-others-effectively, have you?


Funny what happens when people try to defend a bogus argument.

Tsk. That's what we've seen from the PCTA extras all along...


We don't hate the Tech's

[you haven't learned proper pluralization either...BTASE]

Nah, there's no "hate." As long as the Technicians sit in the
back of the spectral bus and dring from separate water fountains,
you PCTA extras don't "hate" them.


If they want to upgrade, we are there to help.

[this sounds like a very bad redux of "Uncle Tom's Cabin"]


Sometimes expressing why they might want to learn something that they
think they have no use for in order to get there is helpful.

Yes...explain to those "lesser folk" the NEED to "show dedication
and committment to the amateur community" through testing for
RADIOTELEGRAPHY (the cutting edge of communications art).


And BTW, the reaction to simple questions tells more about the
"reactee" than it does the person posing the question.

Tsk. You've gone "critical" and your nuclear pile is reacting.

Medical science can cure piles. Get your relief.

All this noblesse oblige in here from the PCTA extras... :-(

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:
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It certainly does many of the techs get tired of being told how we NED
to upgrade, just at at your own words.



Nope, never told anyone that they need to upgrade just for upgrading's
sake. I have however helped them learn what privileges are available
should they choose to do so.

Interesting discussion. Interseting implications here. In running the GOTA
station at Field Day, and in encouraging new folks to come up and use the
club station, I am often extolling the benefits of upgrading to
Technicians.

People who read into that that I am somehow prejudiced against the Tech's
have an active imagination.

Of course there are benefits to upgrading. Sounds like some people *don't
want* that to get out. Seems like now we're hearing that encouragement to
upgrade is chasing people away.

In addition, this has become an argument that those of us who work with
the Technicians and encourage them to increase their license level somehow
disdain those we encourage. Almost as if the tutors in hagh school hate
11th graders because they help them pass their courses so they can become
12th graders.

Good luck with that one guys!

Maybe we are just supposed to ignore the Technicians, because anything we
do appears to "chase them away".

Talk to 'em about Ham radio - chase 'em away

Don't talk to 'em - chase 'em away.

Encourage 'em - chase 'em away.

Uh-huh.......


Funny what happens when people try to defend a bogus argument.
_______________________________

We don't hate the Tech's

If they want to upgrade, we are there to help.

Sometimes expressing why they might want to learn something that they
think they have no use for in order to get there is helpful.

And BTW, the reaction to simple questions tells more about the "reactee"
than it does the person posing the question.


- Mike KB3EIA -


Well said, Mike.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Michael Coslo wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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It certainly does many of the techs get tired of being told how we NED
to upgrade, just at at your own words.



Nope, never told anyone that they need to upgrade just for upgrading's sake.
I have however helped them learn what privileges are available should they
choose to do so.

Interesting discussion. Interseting implications here. In running the
GOTA station at Field Day, and in encouraging new folks to come up and
use the club station, I am often extolling the benefits of upgrading to
Technicians.

Right and working about as hard then as you can to discourage them from
doing so


People who read into that that I am somehow prejudiced against the
Tech's have an active imagination.

BTW active imaginations are somehting that the ARS needs more of.
Personaly I thank you for the compliment.

However you thinking that tell Techs again what they already know isn't
insulting, and insulting someone becuase of their lisense class is
showing a prejudice against the members of the class




Of course there are benefits to upgrading.

of course, and they are well known


Sounds like some people
*don't want* that to get out.

No they don't want you druming into in thiere head what they alreeady
know


Seems like now we're hearing that
encouragement to upgrade is chasing people away.

But you aren'ty encouaging you are belitting people when you insist on
explaing to them what they already know



In addition, this has become an argument that those of us who work with
the Technicians and encourage them to increase their license level
somehow disdain those we encourage. Almost as if the tutors in hagh
school hate 11th graders because they help them pass their courses so
they can become 12th graders.

One can only judge by ones experences. BTW those of us interested
don't need the help of "upper classmen", they can manage quite well on
thiere own or help from our own class.

I myself while disaproving of Morse Code have helped people to pass the
code test by operating at VHF sending computer generated morse. Surely
even Stevie will grant that anyone who can learn to follow morse and my
typing at the same time can pass a code test at any speed they can
follow my morse


Good luck with that one guys!

We don't need it, nor your condesending attitude


Maybe we are just supposed to ignore the Technicians, because anything
we do appears to "chase them away".

You could try treating them thier licenses and their previldges with
respect.

Talk to 'em about Ham radio - chase 'em away

Talk to them about upgrading you chase em away

Don't talk to 'em - chase 'em away.

nope


Encourage 'em - chase 'em away.

Condesend and insult them of course you chase them away


Uh-huh.......


Funny what happens when people try to defend a bogus argument.
_______________________________

We don't hate the Tech's

but you don't respect them either


If they want to upgrade, we are there to help.

but only on your own terms


Sometimes expressing why they might want to learn something that they
think they have no use for in order to get there is helpful.

if it were only "sometimes"

And BTW, the reaction to simple questions tells more about the
"reactee" than it does the person posing the question.

indeed that can be true it tells about their expernces.

The thought "why is this guy telling me the same thing AGAIN, is a very
comon one"



- Mike KB3EIA -

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Michael Coslo wrote:
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People who read into that that I am somehow prejudiced against the
Tech's have an active imagination.

BTW active imaginations are somehting that the ARS needs more of.
Personaly I thank you for the compliment.

However you thinking that tell Techs again what they already know isn't
insulting, and insulting someone becuase of their lisense class is
showing a prejudice against the members of the class



And how do you know that the Techs remember everything that they have ever
learned? That ability would give them superhuman powers that no other class
of hams has ever had.

No one can remember everything they've learned, studied, practiced. This
last Field Day was an example. I was operating the VHF station and
explaining to Extras how it was possible to have propagation from Michigan
to south Texas on 6 meters and 2 meters. Now, they studied this along their
licensing path but without having used it, they have forgotten. Is it
condescending to answer questions? I don't think so.

All that I do is answer questions that they ask and make myself readily
accessible for them to ask questions. For those areas outside my areas of
expertise, I send them to some one who does know. None of us goes around
trying to force feed them.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE