![]() |
Dee:
I really can't believe some are so devoted to arguing as this while amateur radio declines... First, I DO believe there is a problem with the numbers of licenses... Second, there have been things tried, and there are just echos here of RE-TRYING failed ideas here--they didn't work then, they won't work now! Third, I don't think anyone here is into any real want to do anything better--most are locked in a state of firm and heavy denial and the numbers must drop much more before this will improve... Fourth, I DO believe time and Jim Haynie will provide real fixes--eventually... Fifth, my opinion is that almost everyone here, to the last man/woman, is going to let things go to hell for their own self-interests--and that to me is as disgusting as someone masturbating in public--NO ONE ELSE ENJOYS IT! John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... [snip] The idea of "recruiting" people into the ARS is likely never going to work - at least as far as snagging people that are thinking about a hobby, but don't know what to pick up. If you wanna be a Ham - you *know* it. I must disagree to some extent with this, Mike. There are people who would love being hams if only they knew about it and knew what it was like. I never knew I wanted to be a ham until after I became one. My ex dragged me to a ham class as something we could do together and I have to admit that it did not sound interesting at the time. I found that it was something I liked and now I would fight tooth and nail to keep my license. If we are going to "recruit," we need to find those who would like it but haven't had the opportunity to know about it or to know enough about it. [snip] A local oldster was inquiring as to when his license expired, because he couldn't find his F.C.C. Wallpaper. We help him figure it out. We need to keep the geezers on the air. I love talking to them. I hope someone is looking out for me when I'm 91! I hope so too. I had the great pleasure and honor of speaking with W5BQU (Big, Quick, and Ugly) a year or two before he passed away. He was over 100 at the time and still in pretty good control of his faculties and still with a zest for life, enjoying those things he still could do. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee Flint wrote: There certainly are women in Ham radio, and although a minority, they are probably no more of a minority than women's representation in other technical fields. This would mean that any problem is shared with those other technical fields, and not a Ham radio specific problem. - Mike KB3EIA - Actually I know more women in ham radio than women in engineering. .. . . and I might add FWIW that with the exception of W3CUL who had been a professional CW op none of the woman hams I've met personally were technologists of any flavor. One is a lifetime housewife, one is a public school elemantary teacher and the other is a grants manager for a philanthropic trust fund. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE w3rv |
Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: Michael's own words: "There certainly are women in Ham radio, and although a minority, ..." What does that mean--they are being held out by the old farts? The women too want no-code? He is not claiming anything of the sort. Once again you see what isn't there. Just what is the reason he was claiming? He is not claiming any reason but simply stating that the same factors that cause women not to choose technical careers also cause them not to choose technical hobbies. He has made no statement about what those factors may be. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Wonder how many organizations that are mostly joined by women does Johnny Smith belong to? Hey Johnnyboy, why don't you join the Red Hat Society? You might just look good in a purple dress and red hat. |
John Smith wrote:
Dee: cw is like the tying I do here, neither requiring thought, strength or a particular skill. So you should have no trouble copying 30-40 wpm then. |
John Smith wrote:
"special interest group"... what next, "Lesbian hams?" The women are NOT there on the bands--you claim they are "hiding", well great--they still ain't there in any REAL sense! So what is this hang-up you have about women, why do you think the bands should be populated with lots of women hams? As a whole, women aren't attracted to a technical hobby like ham radio. Ever go out to the model airplane radio control field? See lots of women there flying toy airplanes? How many women get their pilots license as compared to men? Ever go to a quilting meeting? How many men did you see there? Ever go to an antique radio swap meet? You will find a lot more men collecting and fixing old radios than women. Do you collect dolls, tea sets, china dishes? No? Lots of women do. When I taught Novice classis some years ago, there were always several women in the class and they ejoyed learning the code as much as anyone. There are things that interest men as a hobby and things that interest women as a hobby, and most often they are different things. If all you can see is doom and gloom for ham radio, I suggest you go back to the 'freeband' where you seem to think radio life is great. |
John Smith wrote: I'd say those figures are certainly pressing the envelope... either way, you don't see 'em on the bands in those numbers... your 1-in-20 seems more like a 1-in-a-hundred-or-better to me! "Seems like" is not knowledge of the facts and you obviously don't know the difference. Which is a well-known trait amongst mindless trolls. John |
Kelly:
Ahhh, that explains it, being the "women magnet" you are, they are all busy chatting in secret to you--and that is why I never catch them--well, except for a few of the aussie girls... John wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: I'd say those figures are certainly pressing the envelope... either way, you don't see 'em on the bands in those numbers... your 1-in-20 seems more like a 1-in-a-hundred-or-better to me! "Seems like" is not knowledge of the facts and you obviously don't know the difference. Which is a well-known trait amongst mindless trolls. John |
John Smith wrote:
Buzzard Bozo: What thoughtful responses. |
John Smith wrote:
Dee: I really can't believe some are so devoted to arguing as this while amateur radio declines... You're arguing more than anyone here at the moment, John. First, I DO believe there is a problem with the numbers of licenses... OK, fine. How much are the numbers down, percentagewise, from the peak? How about the ratio of hams to the overall population? Show us some solid numbers. Second, there have been things tried, and there are just echos here of RE-TRYING failed ideas here--they didn't work then, they won't work now! I agree! In 1987, 1990, 1991, and 2000, the test requirements for an FCC-issued amateur license were successively reduced. The greatest reduction came in 2000, when the code tests were reduced from three speeds to one, and the written tests reduced from 5 tests totalling 190 questions to three tests totalling 120 questions. And yet the numbers are now declining. Third, I don't think anyone here is into any real want to do anything better--most are locked in a state of firm and heavy denial and the numbers must drop much more before this will improve... I'm for doing something better. But what I think of as better, you dismiss. Fourth, I DO believe time and Jim Haynie will provide real fixes--eventually... The FCC makes the rules... Fifth, my opinion is that almost everyone here, to the last man/woman, is going to let things go to hell for their own self-interests-- That includes you, John. Which of your own self-interests are you willing to sacrifice? and that to me is as disgusting as someone masturbating in public--NO ONE ELSE ENJOYS IT! Somehow I don't think you're the ideal person to present amateur radio to young people... "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... [snip] The idea of "recruiting" people into the ARS is likely never going to work - at least as far as snagging people that are thinking about a hobby, but don't know what to pick up. If you wanna be a Ham - you *know* it. I must disagree to some extent with this, Mike. There are people who would love being hams if only they knew about it and knew what it was like. I never knew I wanted to be a ham until after I became one. My ex dragged me to a ham class as something we could do together and I have to admit that it did not sound interesting at the time. I found that it was something I liked and now I would fight tooth and nail to keep my license. So what you really needed was exposure - publicity - examples - demos. Were you attracted to amateur radio because it was like the internet, or because it was something very different? If we are going to "recruit," we need to find those who would like it but haven't had the opportunity to know about it or to know enough about it. I say you toss it out there for everyone. [snip] A local oldster was inquiring as to when his license expired, because he couldn't find his F.C.C. Wallpaper. We help him figure it out. We need to keep the geezers on the air. I love talking to them. I hope someone is looking out for me when I'm 91! I hope so too. I had the great pleasure and honor of speaking with W5BQU (Big, Quick, and Ugly) a year or two before he passed away. He was over 100 at the time and still in pretty good control of his faculties and still with a zest for life, enjoying those things he still could do. I've been a ham for 38 years now and I hope I'm not even halfway done yet. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Buzzard Boy:
.... John "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: Michael's own words: "There certainly are women in Ham radio, and although a minority, ..." What does that mean--they are being held out by the old farts? The women too want no-code? He is not claiming anything of the sort. Once again you see what isn't there. Just what is the reason he was claiming? He is not claiming any reason but simply stating that the same factors that cause women not to choose technical careers also cause them not to choose technical hobbies. He has made no statement about what those factors may be. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Wonder how many organizations that are mostly joined by women does Johnny Smith belong to? Hey Johnnyboy, why don't you join the Red Hat Society? You might just look good in a purple dress and red hat. |
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:01 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
RadioBanter.com