From: on Tues 14 Jun 2005 09:32

John Smith wrote:
It was never about anyone stopping you from sending cw was it...


Good Morse ops can chat at speeds approaching those of voice ops
because they use abbreviations and eliminate redundancies.

Oh, my, THAT old brag.

Tsk, tsk, , listen in on any large FAA-tower airport
and, especially, the voice communications out of an FAA Center.

No morse used there, but plenty of abbreviations with elimination
of redundancies. Word rates are above 150 WPM equivalent and
often approach 250 WPM equivalent. No "test" required to learn
the abbreviations in TRACON talk.

Tsk, if morse code was so "efficient" and "speedy," it would have
been prime use in the REST OF THE RADIO WORLD. It isn't. Other
than the ham hobbyists ("on the lower ends of the 'bands' HF")
and some long-established automatic ID keyers, the REST OF THE
RADIO WORLD has given up on morse code.

To attempt countering the above, you MUST trot out the hoary old
maxim that "this is amateur radio!" as if the hobby is somehow
exulted and revered BECAUSE of morse code testing...and you will
state that "because there are still morse users in amateur radio,"
"newcomers 'must' learn/test for that skill to talk to them." :-)

[such always seems to happen as a "reason" for being...:-) ]

That "reply" (yet to come but as certain as there is a tomorrow)
might be augmented by some kind of "need" to "be able to talk to
those in foreign lands who do not speak English." One of the
truly specious and bereft of logic statements ever made in here!

Go ahead and "chat" on anything via morse code...use its unique
ability to express subtleties of opinion, the timbre and tone of
the sound, and all the other body language clues available
through morse. :-) Other than IDs, location, "the rig here is"
and WX, there isn't much more to the "chat," is there?

Please continue to praise the military morse ops, ,
especially those of the USN. The USN is NOT a branch of the
military you were in. Indeed, you weren't in ANY branch of the
military. You "served in other ways."

Len:

Did I miss something here, if you know morse it gives you the ability to
speak and read french?

Hell, I know morse and still can't speak to the french, unless they
morse in english!!! Same with the Germans, Dutch, Spanish, etc....

ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John

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From: on Tues 14 Jun 2005 09:32

John Smith wrote:
It was never about anyone stopping you from sending cw was it...


Good Morse ops can chat at speeds approaching those of voice ops
because they use abbreviations and eliminate redundancies.

Oh, my, THAT old brag.

Tsk, tsk, , listen in on any large FAA-tower airport
and, especially, the voice communications out of an FAA Center.

No morse used there, but plenty of abbreviations with elimination
of redundancies. Word rates are above 150 WPM equivalent and
often approach 250 WPM equivalent. No "test" required to learn
the abbreviations in TRACON talk.

Tsk, if morse code was so "efficient" and "speedy," it would have
been prime use in the REST OF THE RADIO WORLD. It isn't. Other
than the ham hobbyists ("on the lower ends of the 'bands' HF")
and some long-established automatic ID keyers, the REST OF THE
RADIO WORLD has given up on morse code.

To attempt countering the above, you MUST trot out the hoary old
maxim that "this is amateur radio!" as if the hobby is somehow
exulted and revered BECAUSE of morse code testing...and you will
state that "because there are still morse users in amateur radio,"
"newcomers 'must' learn/test for that skill to talk to them." :-)

[such always seems to happen as a "reason" for being...:-) ]

That "reply" (yet to come but as certain as there is a tomorrow)
might be augmented by some kind of "need" to "be able to talk to
those in foreign lands who do not speak English." One of the
truly specious and bereft of logic statements ever made in here!

Go ahead and "chat" on anything via morse code...use its unique
ability to express subtleties of opinion, the timbre and tone of
the sound, and all the other body language clues available
through morse. :-) Other than IDs, location, "the rig here is"
and WX, there isn't much more to the "chat," is there?

Please continue to praise the military morse ops, ,
especially those of the USN. The USN is NOT a branch of the
military you were in. Indeed, you weren't in ANY branch of the
military. You "served in other ways."

From: John Smith on Jun 14, 9:30 pm

Len:

Did I miss something here, if you know morse it gives you the ability to speak and read french?

Any "good" morseman KNOWS EVERYTHING! :-)

That's the ONLY skill they need...and some have said so. :-)

Hell, I know morse and still can't speak to the french, unless they
morse in english!!! Same with the Germans, Dutch, Spanish, etc....

Way back two centuries ago, Sam (Morse) and Al (Vail) revised
Morse's original code (all numbers) into something representing
ENGLISH letters, numbers, and some punctuation marks. That was
roughly in the 1840s. After radio was demonstrated in 1896
(in Italy and Russia) as a communications medium, the good
(and always CORRECT) morsemen claimed it was an "international
language." :-)

"CW gets through when anything else will..." - B. Burke

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Len:

Did I miss something here, if you know morse it gives you the ability to
speak and read french?


No but there is a standardized set of Q signals and other widely adopted
abbreviations that permit one to carry on a very basic albeit limited
conversation even though neither of you knows the other one's language.

As in many activities, there is a "standardized vocabulary" if you will.
For example, music generally uses Italian terms (although the French &
Germans tend to resist) that. I do not speak Italian but if the conductor
says "rubato" or "accelerando", I know what he wants us to do. He might not
speak a word of English and I might not speak a word of his native language
but we can communicate in a limited fashion with the standardized music
vocabulary. Similarly, ballet terminology is in French. Because of that,
the student and teacher can communicate regarding ballet movements even if
neither speaks French and neither speaks the others language.

Hell, I know morse and still can't speak to the french, unless they morse
in english!!! Same with the Germans, Dutch, Spanish, etc....


See above.

ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

.... trust me, those cw'ers are going to grow very lonely--these new guys
have no use for code... they can scream and rant and rave and argue a
ridiculous point--just tune up grab your key and start finding out how
many out there are under 50... it ain't many!

John

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From: on Tues 14 Jun 2005 09:32

John Smith wrote:
It was never about anyone stopping you from sending cw was it...


Good Morse ops can chat at speeds approaching those of voice ops
because they use abbreviations and eliminate redundancies.

Oh, my, THAT old brag.

Tsk, tsk, , listen in on any large FAA-tower airport
and, especially, the voice communications out of an FAA Center.

No morse used there, but plenty of abbreviations with elimination
of redundancies. Word rates are above 150 WPM equivalent and
often approach 250 WPM equivalent. No "test" required to learn
the abbreviations in TRACON talk.

Tsk, if morse code was so "efficient" and "speedy," it would have
been prime use in the REST OF THE RADIO WORLD. It isn't. Other
than the ham hobbyists ("on the lower ends of the 'bands' HF")
and some long-established automatic ID keyers, the REST OF THE
RADIO WORLD has given up on morse code.

To attempt countering the above, you MUST trot out the hoary old
maxim that "this is amateur radio!" as if the hobby is somehow
exulted and revered BECAUSE of morse code testing...and you will
state that "because there are still morse users in amateur radio,"
"newcomers 'must' learn/test for that skill to talk to them." :-)

[such always seems to happen as a "reason" for being...:-) ]

That "reply" (yet to come but as certain as there is a tomorrow)
might be augmented by some kind of "need" to "be able to talk to
those in foreign lands who do not speak English." One of the
truly specious and bereft of logic statements ever made in here!

Go ahead and "chat" on anything via morse code...use its unique
ability to express subtleties of opinion, the timbre and tone of
the sound, and all the other body language clues available
through morse. :-) Other than IDs, location, "the rig here is"
and WX, there isn't much more to the "chat," is there?

Please continue to praise the military morse ops, ,
especially those of the USN. The USN is NOT a branch of the
military you were in. Indeed, you weren't in ANY branch of the
military. You "served in other ways."

wrote:

Please continue to praise the military morse ops, ,
especially those of the USN. The USN is NOT a branch of the
military you were in. Indeed, you weren't in ANY branch of the
military. You "served in other ways."

The Amateur Radio Service is not something in which you are a
participant. Perhaps you served in other ways.


Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

Please continue to praise the military morse ops, ,
especially those of the USN. The USN is NOT a branch of the
military you were in. Indeed, you weren't in ANY branch of the
military. You "served in other ways."


The Amateur Radio Service is not something in which you are a
participant. Perhaps you served in other ways.

game, set, match!

- Mike KB3EIA -

From: Mike Coslo on Fri 17 Jun 2005 22:07

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

Please continue to praise the military morse ops, ,
especially those of the USN. The USN is NOT a branch of the
military you were in. Indeed, you weren't in ANY branch of the
military. You "served in other ways."

The Amateur Radio Service is not something in which you are a
participant. Perhaps you served in other ways.

game, set, match!

Amateur radio newsgrouping IS a GAME to Kolonel Klunk.

The only thing SET is Klunk's way of thinking (inflexible).

There's no MATCH except the lighted one always carried
by Klunk to start another Flame War in here.

Other than that, "Game, Set, Match" are the titles of a
later trilogy by novelist Len Deighton based on a
fictional British intelligence service. [not Deighton's
best work]

I'll just put the PCTAs of the newsgroup in the category
of "no one can join amateur radio unless they are already
IN it..." oxymoronic "brotherhood" of self-righteous
radio poseurs "serving their country" through a HOBBY.

Go out and corner the market on helium for your "reach to
the fringes of outer space," Michael. That's better than
the megacubic feet of Hot Air vented by this "patriot"
who behaves like a miscast stereotype of a Kommandant in
a half-hour TV sitcom about POWs during WW2.

Seig Heil!!! :-)

On 18 Jun 2005 10:41:47 -0700, wrote:

From: Mike Coslo on Fri 17 Jun 2005 22:07

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
snip

Seig Heil!!! :-)

Next up, Jim will once again attempt to invoke Mr. Godwin's rule.




73, Leo

Leo wrote:
On 18 Jun 2005 10:41:47 -0700, wrote:


From: Mike Coslo on Fri 17 Jun 2005 22:07


Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

snip


Seig Heil!!! :-)


Next up, Jim will once again attempt to invoke Mr. Godwin's rule.

Yeah, those jerks always invoke Godwin when someone is compared to the
Nazi's. 8^)

I mean like, he was just sayin'!

- Mike KB3EIA -