Dee:

Certainly everyone over 50 needs to step back and let the younger men
have a go--we are stagnated right now--I won't argue that point--it is
MUCH too obvious...

What "modes" are you using? I am using a 56k modem my son modified to
modulate a transmitter... any other person able to interface an old 56k
modem to their computer can get the data... now a nice 10mbs per second
mode would be nice, where is some cheap equipment?

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:
I just support removing code because no new hams are using it in any
meaningful numbers.

I've seen plenty of new hams use Morse Code on the air. And plenty
who
use other modes. What information do you have to show that "no new
hams
are using it in any meaningful numbers."

The new state of the art hams are interested in hooking a modem up
and
interfacing the radio to the computer...

Some are - some aren't.

Hook up a code key and they loose interest immediately...

Depends on how you present it. And the word is "lose"....

Now, a bunch of old guys who are computer illiterate have no choice
than
to try to amuse themselves with a damn key...

Well, that leaves me out, because I'm neither old nor computer
illiterate.



He does not realize that it was this "bunch of old guys who are
computer illiterate" who developed several of the digital modes and
were some of the earliest amateurs to interface computers and radios.

At work it is not the "bunch of old guys who are computer illiterate"
who cannot find their way around a computer but instead the new kids
fresh out of school. It's the kids who cannot seem to figure out how
to use the advanced features of the spreadsheets, wordprocessors, etc
until someone leads them by the hand through it. The "bunch of old
guys who are computer illiterate" are the ones who explore the
software and become proficient in its many features.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Certainly everyone over 50 needs to step back and let the younger men have
a go--we are stagnated right now--I won't argue that point--it is MUCH too
obvious...


What is obvious is that the younger people are inexperienced. You fail to
realize that we need people of ALL ages involved and each contributes to the
benefit of amateur radio (or any other activity for that matter).

And since there is no limit on the number of hams, there is nothing stopping
the younger men from getting in and developing what they wish within the
technical limitations of the medium (i.e. HF cannot support ultrawide modes
without causing detrimental effects on the number of people who can use the
bands simultaneously).

What "modes" are you using? I am using a 56k modem my son modified to
modulate a transmitter... any other person able to interface an old 56k
modem to their computer can get the data... now a nice 10mbs per second
mode would be nice, where is some cheap equipment?


You do realize that a 56k modem is no use on HF. There isn't enough
bandwidth and the FCC rightly limits the speed of the digital modes. As to
what I've worked, I used to do RTTY, Amtor, packet, and some others. All
were deadly boring. I've put the equipment away to free up desk space.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee:

Wide band FM is much more than enough band width--it can be done with
some success on narrow band...

.... even the ancient terminology "mode" is disgusting to a real
engineer--hams need to get with it and realize these are "protocols"...
ham radio is beginning to look like a bunch of would be "Egyptian
priests" attempting control though ignorance generated by specialized
terminology...


John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Certainly everyone over 50 needs to step back and let the younger men
have a go--we are stagnated right now--I won't argue that point--it
is MUCH too obvious...


What is obvious is that the younger people are inexperienced. You
fail to realize that we need people of ALL ages involved and each
contributes to the benefit of amateur radio (or any other activity for
that matter).

And since there is no limit on the number of hams, there is nothing
stopping the younger men from getting in and developing what they wish
within the technical limitations of the medium (i.e. HF cannot support
ultrawide modes without causing detrimental effects on the number of
people who can use the bands simultaneously).

What "modes" are you using? I am using a 56k modem my son modified
to modulate a transmitter... any other person able to interface an
old 56k modem to their computer can get the data... now a nice 10mbs
per second mode would be nice, where is some cheap equipment?


You do realize that a 56k modem is no use on HF. There isn't enough
bandwidth and the FCC rightly limits the speed of the digital modes.
As to what I've worked, I used to do RTTY, Amtor, packet, and some
others. All were deadly boring. I've put the equipment away to free
up desk space.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE