Leo wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 04:48:01 -0700, wrote:



Leo wrote:

On 18 Jun 2005 17:30:57 -0700, wrote:


Leo wrote:

On 18 Jun 2005 10:41:47 -0700, wrote:


From: Mike Coslo on Fri 17 Jun 2005 22:07


Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

snip

Seig Heil!!! :-)

Next up, Jim will once again attempt to invoke Mr. Godwin's
rule.

"attempt"? Hardly!
snip

Attempt, definitely. Because, as has been demonstrated many times
before, the discusion will continue regardless of whether Godwin's
impotent rule has been 'invoked' or not.

The version of Godwin's rule that I use says that the person
who uses stoops to calling their opponent "Hitler", "Nazis"
or references to them, has lost the argument. That the discussion
continues is irrelevant. Len has lost the argument.


I see. Thanks for clearing that up, Jim - for a minute there, I was
afraid that you hadn't accomplished anything useful there!


But it just had to be done, didn't it?

No, it didn't. But I did it anyway.


Of course you did. You had to!


Is there a problem with that? Do you think Len's slurs
are acceptable behavior?


There are several folks here whose 'slurs' and language are much worse
than this example (a reference to the bumbling and comical 'Nazis' on
"Hogan's Heroes") - always has been, always will be. It's not my job
to run around and point that out all day every day.

It's not my job to point that out to each and every participant on
this group Jim - is it yours? Why?

You are correct there Leo. Jim is perfectly capable of not responding
to anything Len posts. We all are.

And of course, Len knows quite well that all he has to do is put in a
reference to the Nazi's, and it will get a response. Sets the hook quite
regularly, he does! Irresistible bait apparently.

Stalemate. Looks like everyone is getting exactly what they want.

- Mike KB3EIA -

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:02:42 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:

Leo wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 04:48:01 -0700, wrote:



Leo wrote:

On 18 Jun 2005 17:30:57 -0700, wrote:


Leo wrote:

On 18 Jun 2005 10:41:47 -0700, wrote:


From: Mike Coslo on Fri 17 Jun 2005 22:07


Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

snip

Seig Heil!!! :-)

Next up, Jim will once again attempt to invoke Mr. Godwin's
rule.

"attempt"? Hardly!
snip

Attempt, definitely. Because, as has been demonstrated many times
before, the discusion will continue regardless of whether Godwin's
impotent rule has been 'invoked' or not.

The version of Godwin's rule that I use says that the person
who uses stoops to calling their opponent "Hitler", "Nazis"
or references to them, has lost the argument. That the discussion
continues is irrelevant. Len has lost the argument.


I see. Thanks for clearing that up, Jim - for a minute there, I was
afraid that you hadn't accomplished anything useful there!


But it just had to be done, didn't it?

No, it didn't. But I did it anyway.


Of course you did. You had to!


Is there a problem with that? Do you think Len's slurs
are acceptable behavior?


There are several folks here whose 'slurs' and language are much worse
than this example (a reference to the bumbling and comical 'Nazis' on
"Hogan's Heroes") - always has been, always will be. It's not my job
to run around and point that out all day every day.

It's not my job to point that out to each and every participant on
this group Jim - is it yours? Why?

You are correct there Leo. Jim is perfectly capable of not responding
to anything Len posts. We all are.

I'm not sure that I'd agree, Mike. Jim seems to feel compelled to
respond to anything and everything regarding Len. From early morning
to late at night, 7 days a week, he wages his futile war on the
newsgroup.

Doesn't look like a choice - more like an obcession.


And of course, Len knows quite well that all he has to do is put in a
reference to the Nazi's, and it will get a response. Sets the hook quite
regularly, he does! Irresistible bait apparently.

Right you are, Mike. One of the most important things I learned from
being a parent - if you let the kids know where the buttons are, they
can't push 'em!


Stalemate. Looks like everyone is getting exactly what they want.

Or as Mick Jagger says - you can't always get what you want - you get
what you need!


- Mike KB3EIA -

73, Leo

Leo wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:02:42 -0400, Mike Coslo

You are correct there Leo. Jim is perfectly capable of not responding
to anything Len posts. We all are.

I'm not sure that I'd agree, Mike. Jim seems to feel compelled to
respond to anything and everything regarding Len. From early morning
to late at night, 7 days a week, he wages his futile war on the
newsgroup.

Doesn't look like a choice - more like an obcession.

Jim manages to respond to my comments only after someone else has.
That way he doesn't have to respond directly. WRT Len, that's a
completely different matter.

It still cracks me up that Jim said of Han's restructuring proposal,
that a "Morse Code Exam would be a barrier to CW use!" Hi!


And of course, Len knows quite well that all he has to do is put in a
reference to the Nazi's, and it will get a response. Sets the hook quite
regularly, he does! Irresistible bait apparently.

Right you are, Mike. One of the most important things I learned from
being a parent - if you let the kids know where the buttons are, they
can't push 'em!

Stalemate. Looks like everyone is getting exactly what they want.

Or as Mick Jagger says - you can't always get what you want - you get
what you need!

All this looks more like a Megadeath mosh pit. ;^)

From: Leo on Jun 19, 11:26 am

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:02:42 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 04:48:01 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 18 Jun 2005 17:30:57 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 18 Jun 2005 10:41:47 -0700, wrote:
From: Mike Coslo on Fri 17 Jun 2005 22:07


You are correct there Leo. Jim is perfectly capable of not responding
to anything Len posts. We all are.

I'm not sure that I'd agree, Mike. Jim seems to feel compelled to
respond to anything and everything regarding Len. From early morning
to late at night, 7 days a week, he wages his futile war on the
newsgroup.

Doesn't look like a choice - more like an obcession.

The same way with that warm, wonderful Extra, K4YZ... :-)

And of course, Len knows quite well that all he has to do is put in a
reference to the Nazi's, and it will get a response. Sets the hook quite
regularly, he does! Irresistible bait apparently.

Right you are, Mike. One of the most important things I learned from
being a parent - if you let the kids know where the buttons are, they
can't push 'em!

Real hams don't have buttons...just code keys and rotary knobs
and switches, lots and lots of them... :-)

Jimmie and Stebie and Davie all try to manufacture as many
"buttons" as they can. Tsk, tsk, they find that those "buttons"
don't connect to any of my circuits, don't do anything. :-)

But, they hang in there, wearing out their pudgy lil fingers,
pushing, pushing, pushing. Parallel-connected triodes in
"push-push" connection, running unneutralized and breaking into
oscillation at the least disturbance! Tsk, tsk.


Stalemate. Looks like everyone is getting exactly what they want.

Or as Mick Jagger says - you can't always get what you want - you get
what you need!

A Rolling Stone gathers no Carrie Moss.

[Megalips Mick was too busy with others...]


73, Leo

Most sincere good wishes on this Father's Day (in here it looks
more like 'boxing day' but without any Brit connotations),

On 19 Jun 2005 12:29:05 -0700, wrote:

From: Leo on Jun 19, 11:26 am

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:02:42 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 04:48:01 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 18 Jun 2005 17:30:57 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 18 Jun 2005 10:41:47 -0700, wrote:
From: Mike Coslo on Fri 17 Jun 2005 22:07


You are correct there Leo. Jim is perfectly capable of not responding
to anything Len posts. We all are.

I'm not sure that I'd agree, Mike. Jim seems to feel compelled to
respond to anything and everything regarding Len. From early morning
to late at night, 7 days a week, he wages his futile war on the
newsgroup.

Doesn't look like a choice - more like an obcession.

The same way with that warm, wonderful Extra, K4YZ... :-)

And of course, Len knows quite well that all he has to do is put in a
reference to the Nazi's, and it will get a response. Sets the hook quite
regularly, he does! Irresistible bait apparently.

Right you are, Mike. One of the most important things I learned from
being a parent - if you let the kids know where the buttons are, they
can't push 'em!

Real hams don't have buttons...just code keys and rotary knobs
and switches, lots and lots of them... :-)

Jimmie and Stebie and Davie all try to manufacture as many
"buttons" as they can. Tsk, tsk, they find that those "buttons"
don't connect to any of my circuits, don't do anything. :-)

But, they hang in there, wearing out their pudgy lil fingers,
pushing, pushing, pushing. Parallel-connected triodes in
"push-push" connection, running unneutralized and breaking into
oscillation at the least disturbance! Tsk, tsk.


Stalemate. Looks like everyone is getting exactly what they want.

Or as Mick Jagger says - you can't always get what you want - you get
what you need!

A Rolling Stone gathers no Carrie Moss.

[Megalips Mick was too busy with others...]


73, Leo

Most sincere good wishes on this Father's Day (in here it looks
more like 'boxing day' but without any Brit connotations),

Thanks much, Len - you too!

And don't forget, every day is Boxing Day in here......



73, Leo

Leo wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:02:42 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:

Leo wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 04:48:01 -0700, wrote:



Leo wrote:

On 18 Jun 2005 17:30:57 -0700, wrote:


Leo wrote:

On 18 Jun 2005 10:41:47 -0700, wrote:


From: Mike Coslo on Fri 17 Jun 2005 22:07


Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

snip

Seig Heil!!! :-)

Next up, Jim will once again attempt to invoke Mr. Godwin's
rule.

"attempt"? Hardly!
snip

Attempt, definitely. Because, as has been demonstrated many times
before, the discusion will continue regardless of whether Godwin's
impotent rule has been 'invoked' or not.

The version of Godwin's rule that I use says that the person
who uses stoops to calling their opponent "Hitler", "Nazis"
or references to them, has lost the argument. That the discussion
continues is irrelevant. Len has lost the argument.


I see. Thanks for clearing that up, Jim - for a minute there, I was
afraid that you hadn't accomplished anything useful there!


But it just had to be done, didn't it?

No, it didn't. But I did it anyway.


Of course you did. You had to!


Is there a problem with that? Do you think Len's slurs
are acceptable behavior?


There are several folks here whose 'slurs' and language are much worse
than this example (a reference to the bumbling and comical 'Nazis' on
"Hogan's Heroes") - always has been, always will be. It's not my job
to run around and point that out all day every day.

It's not my job to point that out to each and every participant on
this group Jim - is it yours? Why?

You are correct there Leo. Jim is perfectly capable of not responding
to anything Len posts. We all are.

I'm not sure that I'd agree, Mike. Jim seems to feel compelled to
respond to anything and everything regarding Len. From early morning
to late at night, 7 days a week, he wages his futile war on the
newsgroup.

That's easily disproved, Leo. Just look at how many posts Len
makes that I don't respond to. Then look at how many I make that
he responds to. Also look at the tone and content of the responses.

Just a suggerstion.

Doesn't look like a choice - more like an obcession.

By whom? Not me...

And of course, Len knows quite well that all he has to do is put in a
reference to the Nazi's, and it will get a response. Sets the hook quite
regularly, he does! Irresistible bait apparently.

Right you are, Mike. One of the most important things I learned from
being a parent - if you let the kids know where the buttons are, they
can't push 'em!

??

If you let kids know where the buttons are, they'll push 'em
constantly.

Speaking of "buttons", it's clear that Len has the most "buttons" of
all. All anyone has to do is hit his big button (disagree with
him on the code-test issue) and then Len will respond in a very
predictable, negative, attacking, insulting way to almost anything the
person posts. If someone who has hit Len's Big Button dares to point
out a mistake (even a minor one)
in one of Len's posts (such as the in-service date of a particular
Soviet aircraft, or the legality of US hams operating with
expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses...well, the results
are all there in Google. Not pretty, either.

For example, some time back I posted info about a new War Museum in
Canada. (I don't recall the exact correct name of the museum right
now). I pointed out that some of the windows spell out a message in
Morse Code.

Len, of course, went ballistic in one of his typical tirades. You'd
think I'd said something truly awful by pointing out the windows. I
don't know why he reacts that way - it's just what he does.

But don't ask Len what JT65 is...


73 de Jim, N2EY

wrote:
Snippage


If you let kids know where the buttons are, they'll push 'em
constantly.

Speaking of "buttons", it's clear that Len has the most "buttons" of
all. All anyone has to do is hit his big button (disagree with
him on the code-test issue) and then Len will respond in a very
predictable, negative, attacking, insulting way to almost anything the
person posts. If someone who has hit Len's Big Button dares to point
out a mistake (even a minor one)

Therein lies the heart of the issue. There are some in here who respond
all out of proportion to others missives. We have them on both sides of
the Morse/no Morse issue.

Jim, you are obviously not one of them.

At least for me, when someone gets too abusive, I just don't bother to
reply. Does that mean they "win"? Only as much as anyone wins one of
these protracted whizzin' contests in here.

It's all entertainment. 8^)

- Mike -

Michael Coslo wrote:
wrote:
Snippage

If you let kids know where the buttons are, they'll push 'em
constantly.

Speaking of "buttons", it's clear that Len has the most "buttons" of
all. All anyone has to do is hit his big button (disagree with
him on the code-test issue) and then Len will respond in a very
predictable, negative, attacking, insulting way to almost anything the
person posts. If someone who has hit Len's Big Button dares to point
out a mistake (even a minor one)

Therein lies the heart of the issue. There are some in here who respond
all out of proportion to others missives. We have them on both sides of
the Morse/no Morse issue.

Yep.

Jim, you are obviously not one of them.

I hope not!

But it can get a bit odd to point out (in a nice way) that someone has
clearly
misunderstood something in Part 97, or has a couple of relevant facts
wrong,
and then be set upon as if I had desecrated a national monument.

Or to be blamed for what someone else has posted. (KH2D, a PCTA Extra
named
Jim, has obviously offended Len, so he takes it out on me, a PCTA Extra
named
Jim...)

Or to be quoted as writing things I did not write. (N0IMD's misquotes
of what I
wrote about the code test and its incentives for code use).

At least for me, when someone gets too abusive, I just don't bother to
reply.

Yep - in some cases I simply stop reading what they write.

Does that mean they "win"? Only as much as anyone wins one of
these protracted whizzin' contests in here.

The question comes down to whether or not one should allow an error of
fact
(not opinion) to go uncorrected, or to allow a misquote to go
unanswered, or
to engage in a multiround series of posts correcting the error of fact
or
the misquote.


It's all entertainment. 8^)

ARE YOU BEING ENTERTAINED?!?! (from "Gladiator")

73 de Jim, N2EY

From: Mike Coslo on Jun 19, 11:02 am

Leo wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 04:48:01 -0700, wrote:


It's not my job to point that out to each and every participant on
this group Jim - is it yours? Why?

You are correct there Leo. Jim is perfectly capable of not responding
to anything Len posts. We all are.

You can't resist! :-)

And of course, Len knows quite well that all he has to do is put in a
reference to the Nazi's, and it will get a response. Sets the hook quite
regularly, he does! Irresistible bait apparently.

I'm beginning to draft a business plan on that, might go COMMERCIAL!



Stalemate. Looks like everyone is getting exactly what they want.

My wife and I took delivery of a new car Friday. WE GOT EXACTLY
WHAT WE WANTED. Got a 10 percent discount beyond the trade-in
value. Paid cash, too. :-)


See? It's absurdly simply to toss in just a line, no bait, and
I gonna get all kinds of bites. Most will be undersized but I
just toss 'em back in... :-)

wrote:

See? It's absurdly simply to toss in just a line, no bait, and
I gonna get all kinds of bites. Most will be undersized but I
just toss 'em back in... :-)

And hope they grow up.