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June 27th 05, 05:59 PM
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Leo wrote:
On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? Then what do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? And your suggestion is? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? In a word: No. It's not rather obvious, Leo. Sorry to hear that, Jim. How simplified do you need things to be? It's not about simplification, Leo. It's about clarity. Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. So what do you suggest *I* do? Owned or free. That's your spin. The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? What actions do you suggest? 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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#3
June 27th 05, 11:41 PM
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wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. So what do you suggest *I* do? Owned or free. That's your spin. The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? What actions do you suggest? 73 de Jim, N2EY And so Grasshopper hesitates. Asks many questions. Must be told what he is to do, rather than just do what he is told. The pebble is withdrawn and Grasshopper is none the richer and none the wiser. |
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#4
June 28th 05, 02:52 AM
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On 27 Jun 2005 15:41:23 -0700, "bb" wrote:
wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. So what do you suggest *I* do? Owned or free. That's your spin. The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? What actions do you suggest? 73 de Jim, N2EY And so Grasshopper hesitates. Asks many questions. Must be told what he is to do, rather than just do what he is told. The pebble is withdrawn and Grasshopper is none the richer and none the wiser. Ah - it is true, he has missed the pebble. Again. (sigh) But take heart - perhaps there is a greater treasure to be attained. Perhaps, by missing the little pebble he is but one step closer to the final destination. He must decide. 73, Leo  |
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#5
June 28th 05, 02:52 AM
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On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? Then what do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? And your suggestion is? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? In a word: No. It's not rather obvious, Leo. Sorry to hear that, Jim. How simplified do you need things to be? It's not about simplification, Leo. It's about clarity. Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? I have - many, many times. You must decide. What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Glad to hear it! So far, so good. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. That is your current reality. Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. This is your potential future reality. So what do you suggest *I* do? Decide! Owned or free. That's your spin. That's your opinion. Owned - or free. You must decide. The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! There is always a choice. Yours to make if your are able to do so, You must decide! Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right? What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. Good luck! 73 de Jim, N2EY 73, Leo |
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#6
June 28th 05, 03:12 AM
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Leo wrote:
On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? Then what do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? And your suggestion is? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? In a word: No. It's not rather obvious, Leo. Sorry to hear that, Jim. How simplified do you need things to be? It's not about simplification, Leo. It's about clarity. Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? I have - many, many times. You just keep writing that I must decide. But you do not state concrete actions that the decision will produce. You must decide. Why? What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Glad to hear it! So far, so good. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. That is your current reality. That's your soft-science psychobabble spin, then. ;-) Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 For you, maybe. - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. You're begging the question, Leo. This is your potential future reality. So what do you suggest *I* do? Decide! Actions, Leo. Owned or free. That's your spin. That's your opinion. Fact. Owned - or free. You must decide. Why? The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! There is always a choice. Odd to hear from someone who told me I could not stop myself. Yours to make if your are able to do so, Ah - now there's a condition! You must decide! Why? Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right? Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. Good luck! Be seeing you. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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#7
June 28th 05, 06:48 PM
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From: on Mon 27 Jun 2005 19:12
Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? not to those who cannot see What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? billboard displays too small What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? we try for Mt. Rushmore size What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? maybe do some crop circles What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? two-page ads in QST? Then what do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? new reading glasses might help What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? we send obvious in morse? What do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? yawn What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz What do you suggest I do, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? ... What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? still at it? What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? yup, drain is still clogged And your suggestion is? Isn't that rather obvious? call Roto-Rooter! What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? use Bangalore Torpedo? In a word: No. It's not rather obvious, Leo. excavate, dump in lye, cover... Sorry to hear that, Jim. How simplified do you need things to be? It's not about simplification, Leo. It's about clarity. Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? I have - many, many times. You just keep writing that I must decide. But you do not state concrete actions that the decision will produce. Give up eating those crackers, polly. You get repetitious. Makes your cage all crumby. You must decide. Why? Tsk, tsk, all you're doing in here is "busy work" writing many words (over and over again) without doing any deciding. :-) Decide, decide, that is not the question. - Ham-let What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Glad to hear it! So far, so good. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. That is your current reality. That's your soft-science psychobabble spin, then. ;-) Tsk. Only Jimmie speak "truth," "facts" from QTH on Mount Olympus...while he make babble, babble like motel proprietor in "Psycho." He parent too many children... Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 For you, maybe. Tsk, be a MAN and admit defeat. You've LOST these rounds a few go-arounds ago. - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. You're begging the question, Leo. Tsk, tsk. YOU were begging for solutions before, now you can't implement any? Not MANLY! NO decision! This is your potential future reality. So what do you suggest *I* do? Decide! Actions, Leo. Decide for YOURSELF. If you cannot, quit. Simple. Owned or free. That's your spin. That's your opinion. Fact. No, just your opinion. Owned - or free. You must decide. Why? Grasshopper doesn't understand the world does not revolve around him. Tsk. The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! There is always a choice. Odd to hear from someone who told me I could not stop myself. You can't. You feel obsessed, compelled to continue deep denial of anything wrong. Yours to make if your are able to do so, Ah - now there's a condition! You have a "condition," and that is true. :-) You must decide! Why? Only YOU can stop yourself before it is too late. Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? "Wise we are," said Yoda, "Know we will when comes the time." How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right? Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. They were all spelled out. In English. English English. What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. We are all AI constructs living in your computer, out to do you harm in public. All we are the same. Good luck! Be seeing you. "Worry not," said Yoda, "'Decisions for Dummies' mailed it will be to you, plain brown wrapper in." May the Farce be with you, grasshopper. |
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#8
June 29th 05, 03:24 AM
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On 28 Jun 2005 10:48:49 -0700, wrote:
From: on Mon 27 Jun 2005 19:12 Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? not to those who cannot see What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? billboard displays too small What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? we try for Mt. Rushmore size What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? maybe do some crop circles What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? two-page ads in QST? Then what do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? new reading glasses might help What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? we send obvious in morse? What do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? yawn What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz What do you suggest I do, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? ... What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? still at it? What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? yup, drain is still clogged And your suggestion is? Isn't that rather obvious? call Roto-Rooter! What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? use Bangalore Torpedo? In a word: No. It's not rather obvious, Leo. excavate, dump in lye, cover... Sorry to hear that, Jim. How simplified do you need things to be? It's not about simplification, Leo. It's about clarity. Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? I have - many, many times. You just keep writing that I must decide. But you do not state concrete actions that the decision will produce. Give up eating those crackers, polly. You get repetitious. Makes your cage all crumby. You must decide. Why? Tsk, tsk, all you're doing in here is "busy work" writing many words (over and over again) without doing any deciding. :-) Decide, decide, that is not the question. - Ham-let What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Glad to hear it! So far, so good. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. That is your current reality. That's your soft-science psychobabble spin, then. ;-) Tsk. Only Jimmie speak "truth," "facts" from QTH on Mount Olympus...while he make babble, babble like motel proprietor in "Psycho." He parent too many children... Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 For you, maybe. Tsk, be a MAN and admit defeat. You've LOST these rounds a few go-arounds ago. - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. You're begging the question, Leo. Tsk, tsk. YOU were begging for solutions before, now you can't implement any? Not MANLY! NO decision! This is your potential future reality. So what do you suggest *I* do? Decide! Actions, Leo. Decide for YOURSELF. If you cannot, quit. Simple. Owned or free. That's your spin. That's your opinion. Fact. No, just your opinion. Owned - or free. You must decide. Why? Grasshopper doesn't understand the world does not revolve around him. Tsk. The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! There is always a choice. Odd to hear from someone who told me I could not stop myself. You can't. You feel obsessed, compelled to continue deep denial of anything wrong. Yours to make if your are able to do so, Ah - now there's a condition! You have a "condition," and that is true. :-) You must decide! Why? Only YOU can stop yourself before it is too late. Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? "Wise we are," said Yoda, "Know we will when comes the time." How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right? Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. They were all spelled out. In English. English English. What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. We are all AI constructs living in your computer, out to do you harm in public. All we are the same. Good luck! Be seeing you. "Worry not," said Yoda, "'Decisions for Dummies' mailed it will be to you, plain brown wrapper in." May the Farce be with you, grasshopper. He must decide. Owned - or free! 73, Leo |
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#9
June 29th 05, 09:37 PM
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From: Leo on Tues 28 Jun 2005 22:30
On 28 Jun 2005 10:50:28 -0700, wrote: From: Leo on Mon 27 Jun 2005 21:52 On 27 Jun 2005 15:37:43 -0700, "bb" wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Grasshopper, snatch this pebble from my hand. Ah - the journey of 1,000 miles begins with but a single step. He must decide. Why? :-) Et tu, Brute? No, just et one. I'm on a diet to avoid sharp foods... He must decide. Owned - or free. His is not to question why, his is to obey the league or die... In the words of the immortal Caine (in the spirit of the many Kung Fu references of late...) "If a man sees a wrong and does nothing, how can he still call himself a man?" Only if the show's sponsor is Viagra. :-) David Carradine lives in the horse country of Lake View Terrace somewhat close to my neighborhood. I'll ask him if I happen to see him in the barbershop getting his hair lengthened. :-) Actually, speaking of show biz, I think Jimmie is an LAPD Reservist equivalent, busy bee being a semi-pro Political Reservist out to maintain the status quo at all costs. It sure seems that way to me. His automobile probably has the ARRL diamond on it with the phrase "To protect and serve" printed under it. Anyone who doesn't defend the Standards and Practices HE bought into over three decades ago is a "bell ringer": WRRRONNNNGGGGG. WRRRRRONNNNNGGGGGG......WRRRONNNNNGGGGG......WRRRO NNNNGGGGGgggggg. "The hills are alive with the sound of wrrronnnggging..." England has Big Ben. This newsgroup has big jim. Every blessed day... |
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#10
June 28th 05, 09:15 PM
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You must decide! Why? You decide everytime you post, you can't avoid it Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? He may not, nor is it required that he does, How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right? Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. He has What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. He is not required to indeed he lacks the information you require only you have it within yourself Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. Good luck! Be seeing you. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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