Mike:

I say to you, "This is a proper quote."
I have said in the past, "This is a proper quote."
I will say in the future, "This is a proper quote."

If you would ask me about the weather, I would say, "It is hot."

I think, "You are a self-centered person who cannot see further than you
ancient nose."

I believe your philosophy is, "To hell with the younger people... all
they are good for is to morse with me and keep my old butt company."

I say the world if for the living and we all will soon be dead, I think
I hear you saying, "I am all which matters."

John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:
it is proper to quote anything which has been said...

That was nothing I ever said. Is quoting things I never said proper?

I would think it is obvious it is what I am saying that I am
quoting...

That isn't how quotes work. I don't quote myself, save when I look up
something I wrote or said earlier.

I am asking a question, and giving what I hear as the interpretation
of his thinking...

No need for interpretation needed, as far as I can see.

... you guys just don't get it do you? My whole point is that all
you are about is personal attacks and not about any real
discussion--to which you supply another personal attack as if that
doesn't prove my point.... get a clue.... you constantly
demonstrate that you are self-serving and into attacking any person
who presents any part of the problem--since you benefit from the
existing problem...


What personal attack, John Smith?

If you interpret my responses as a personal attack, then what on earth
are *your* missives?

But if that is how ya are, okay. I can quite botherin' ya.

- Mike KB3EIA -



John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

John Smith wrote:

Michael:

So, your logic goes something like this, "That problem exists in
other places too--we have nothing to worry about."

Quotes even!

I don't recall saying "we have nothing to worry about"

We do, and ham radio is waay down on the list of problems that occur
due to the lack of US citizens going for technical careers. And it
isn't going to be fixed by Ham radio.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"John Smith" wrote

....so younger and more capable minds ....

Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher". Silly me!
Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured logic, we ought to be
issuing call signs on birth certificates so we can capture the REALLY capable
minds!

73, de Hans, K0HB

KXHB:

Yes, that is always the trouble with those getting their "15 minutes of
fame"--they NEVER leave gracefully... frown

.... time for new ideas and motivated minds with energy to move up
front...

.... all walkers, wheelchairs and crutches to the back, next to those
clutching bottles of laxatives, blood pressure medication, heart burn
medication, viagra, etc, etc... if you forget your name--don't worry--a
name tag has been placed on your chest to remind you...

John

"KXHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"John Smith" wrote

....so younger and more capable minds ....

Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher".
Silly me! Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured logic,
we ought to be issuing call signs on birth certificates so we can
capture the REALLY capable minds!

73, de Hans, K0HB

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

Even worse is an old guy hanging out with kids.

Neatest "old guy" I know (pushing 80-something now) is a WW-II vet who spends
all his summer taking kids (dependents of deployed CT military) on day trips
fishing on his dime. He feels useful, the kids line up for weeks to get on his
"list", the deployed warriors feel someone "cares", and everyone wins. It's
called "putting something back". This guy deserves a medal, but unfortunately
if he's identified publicly some cinic like you would do your best to rain on
his good deed.

DNE

"W2DNE" wrote in message
...

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

Even worse is an old guy hanging out with kids.

Neatest "old guy" I know (pushing 80-something now) is a WW-II vet who
spends
all his summer taking kids (dependents of deployed CT military) on day
trips
fishing on his dime. He feels useful, the kids line up for weeks to get
on his
"list", the deployed warriors feel someone "cares", and everyone wins.
It's
called "putting something back". This guy deserves a medal, but
unfortunately
if he's identified publicly some cinic like you would do your best to rain
on
his good deed.

DNE



Point well made. I was really concerned with some that cause many problems
for a lot of folks.

My elmer, back in 1961, was Russ, W2ZS. He was in his mid 60s then and
passed away in the mid 70s. Heck of a great guy.

Certainly there are good folks, young and old.

Some of the things that have happened of late will likely keep some of the
older folks from trying to get involved, as well as keeping some of the
youngsters away in fear as well.

I'm not always that careless with my comments; I have had my rabies shots
)


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Jim Hampton wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...


John Smith wrote:


I suppose everyone has something to say...

We are experiencing a time in our history where people are living a lot
longer than they ever used to--and in better health.

This is causing a problem in how to get them moved aside so younger and
more capable minds can grab the reins. However, those grizzled old
hands hands have a death-grip while the buggy heads for the cliff...


John, you are showing signs of being an ageist.

A person's ability to do a job is not specifically related to their
age. That is an old paradigm.

In fact, in the technical fields, there is a dramatic lack of young
Americans.

So if the geezers have that "death grip" on the reins removed, there
likely won't be anyone to take it up.

- Mike KB3EIA -




Hello, Mike

There is a dearth of young folks in technical fields as the religious right
has no (perceived) need for them.

Interesting topic drift, but yes you are correct. It is of great
interest that the righteous religious have a love/hate relationship with
technology. While they are very happy to use the technology that exists
to subdue the "enemy", they are most uncomfortable with any new
technology. The problem is that the mindset of those who would pursue
new technology is in general anathema to them.

Our engineering is now done in India and manufacturing in China. I've had
two small appliances now that failed in 6 months or less. The "warrantee"
is you send them the bad unit and they give you a replacement - and half
price. So, they simply sold another unit.

Sweet, eh?


- Mike KB3EIA -

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Mike:

Let me break this to you gently, what you have to say is just not
important in the whole scheme of things--a year from now we will see what
we all feel as whole--after debate and argument...

I didn't come here for you to teach me english--rant on if you must--just
know it is ignored...

No, there is little need for interpretation of what you say, it is
obvious:
1) there is no problem
2) even if a problem exists--no reason to worry
3) we need not do anything
4) I (Mike, meaning YOU) am happy, everyone else shut up and go away
5) status quo is all which matters
6) etc, etc, etc

I don't make personal attacks--however, if the truth offends someone, so
be it...

John


However looking in the wrong places for solutions won't solve the problem
either.

You want to repeat solutions that haven't worked.

You ignore the concept that the average age of our entire population is
rising.

You ignore the idea that radio will only appeal to certain types of people.

You ignore the fact that many people simply don't know about ham radio.

You ignore the fact that all hobby activities are having trouble getting new
members because now everyone is split over more activities than ever before
and that it's not unique to ham radio.

You think one "magic bullet" (eliminating the code test) will fix the
problem.

Changing the testing requirements are highly unlikely to cause a significant
impact because they do not address the main issues.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
KXHB:

Yes, that is always the trouble with those getting their "15 minutes of
fame"--they NEVER leave gracefully... frown

... time for new ideas and motivated minds with energy to move up front...

... all walkers, wheelchairs and crutches to the back, next to those
clutching bottles of laxatives, blood pressure medication, heart burn
medication, viagra, etc, etc... if you forget your name--don't worry--a
name tag has been placed on your chest to remind you...

John


If I had a buck for all the mistakes the fellows with "... time for new
ideas and motivated minds with energy" made and that I had to straighten
out, I'd be rich. Every activity needs a BLEND OF OLD, NEW, and IN-BETWEEN
to get the best results.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


"KXHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"John Smith" wrote

....so younger and more capable minds ....

Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher". Silly
me! Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured logic, we ought
to be issuing call signs on birth certificates so we can capture the
REALLY capable minds!

73, de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:
"John Smith" wrote


....so younger and more capable minds ....


Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher". Silly me!
Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured logic, we ought to be
issuing call signs on birth certificates so we can capture the REALLY capable
minds!

Didn't' you know, Hans - there are a brand new set of laws of physics
now - and the big thing is that they can only be understood by those
under 25.....

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message
...

Mike:

Let me break this to you gently, what you have to say is just not
important in the whole scheme of things--a year from now we will see what
we all feel as whole--after debate and argument...

I didn't come here for you to teach me english--rant on if you must--just
know it is ignored...

No, there is little need for interpretation of what you say, it is
obvious:
1) there is no problem
2) even if a problem exists--no reason to worry
3) we need not do anything
4) I (Mike, meaning YOU) am happy, everyone else shut up and go away
5) status quo is all which matters
6) etc, etc, etc

I don't make personal attacks--however, if the truth offends someone, so
be it...

John



Dee steps into the ring and spars for a couple seconds.........

However looking in the wrong places for solutions won't solve the problem
either.

You want to repeat solutions that haven't worked.

She lands a quick right.


You ignore the concept that the average age of our entire population is
rising.

Quick feint...

You ignore the idea that radio will only appeal to certain types of people.

A few hits to the midsection....

You ignore the fact that many people simply don't know about ham radio.

another feint..

You ignore the fact that all hobby activities are having trouble getting new
members because now everyone is split over more activities than ever before
and that it's not unique to ham radio.

Followed by a quick hit to the head.

You think one "magic bullet" (eliminating the code test) will fix the
problem.

Stunning the opponent, who falls to the canvas.....

Changing the testing requirements are highly unlikely to cause a significant
impact because they do not address the main issues.

And at last, a scene reminding me of the famous shot of Muhammad Ali
standing over Jim Frasier....

And since we are making sports comparisons,

Game, Set, Match, Dee.

- Mike KB3EIA -

(who is sitting here tonight, listening to my newly resurrected
Heathkit HW-22 tube rig, while using my other radio to work psk-31, and
typing a few notes via the internet....)

It's all good......

- Mike KB3EIA -