John Smith wrote:
Jim:

I just took it for granted that everyone experienced life a lot like me.
Remember when your were 21? And how back then 50 year old people looked
like they had one foot in the grave? How 60 year old people looked as
if they were preserved in formaldehyde? And, were just about as
interesting to chat with as window drapes?


Now that you are old--suddenly you got blind?

I am 55 and people even 65 are about as interesting as rocks--

If your views weren't so narrow, you might find what those 60 somethings
have to say is interesting. I suppose that when you get to be 60+ you
will of course be absolutely enchanting.

I suppose everyone has something to say...

We are experiencing a time in our history where people are living a lot
longer than they ever used to--and in better health.

This is causing a problem in how to get them moved aside so younger and
more capable minds can grab the reins. However, those grizzled old
hands hands have a death-grip while the buggy heads for the cliff...

John

"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:
Jim:

I just took it for granted that everyone experienced life a lot like
me. Remember when your were 21? And how back then 50 year old people
looked like they had one foot in the grave? How 60 year old people
looked as if they were preserved in formaldehyde? And, were just
about as interesting to chat with as window drapes?


Now that you are old--suddenly you got blind?

I am 55 and people even 65 are about as interesting as rocks--

If your views weren't so narrow, you might find what those 60
somethings have to say is interesting. I suppose that when you get to
be 60+ you will of course be absolutely enchanting.

John Smith wrote:

I suppose everyone has something to say...

We are experiencing a time in our history where people are living a lot
longer than they ever used to--and in better health.

This is causing a problem in how to get them moved aside so younger and
more capable minds can grab the reins. However, those grizzled old
hands hands have a death-grip while the buggy heads for the cliff...


John, you are showing signs of being an ageist.

A person's ability to do a job is not specifically related to their
age. That is an old paradigm.

In fact, in the technical fields, there is a dramatic lack of young
Americans.

So if the geezers have that "death grip" on the reins removed, there
likely won't be anyone to take it up.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Michael:

So, your logic goes something like this, "That problem exists in other
places too--we have nothing to worry about."

I find that similar to, "Well, the neighbors paper wasn't
delivered--same as ours. And, their toilet is plugged up--just like
ours, nothing to worry about."

And, that is EXACTLY a very-good example of why I say younger minds need
to be called to play here--with more energy and willing to face up to
truths and take on these problems.

John

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:

I suppose everyone has something to say...

We are experiencing a time in our history where people are living a
lot longer than they ever used to--and in better health.

This is causing a problem in how to get them moved aside so younger
and more capable minds can grab the reins. However, those grizzled
old hands hands have a death-grip while the buggy heads for the
cliff...


John, you are showing signs of being an ageist.

A person's ability to do a job is not specifically related to their
age. That is an old paradigm.

In fact, in the technical fields, there is a dramatic lack of young
Americans.

So if the geezers have that "death grip" on the reins removed, there
likely won't be anyone to take it up.

- Mike KB3EIA -

John Smith wrote:

So, your logic goes something like this, "That problem exists in other
places too--we have nothing to worry about."

I find that similar to, "Well, the neighbors paper wasn't
delivered--same as ours. And, their toilet is plugged up--just like
ours, nothing to worry about."

And, that is EXACTLY a very-good example of why I say younger minds need
to be called to play here--with more energy and willing to face up to
truths and take on these problems.

Good plan. At least your newspaper might be delivered and your toilet
might work.

Dave K8MN

John Smith wrote:
Michael:

So, your logic goes something like this, "That problem exists in other
places too--we have nothing to worry about."

Quotes even!

I don't recall saying "we have nothing to worry about"

We do, and ham radio is waay down on the list of problems that occur
due to the lack of US citizens going for technical careers. And it isn't
going to be fixed by Ham radio.

- Mike KB3EIA -

it is proper to quote anything which has been said...

I would think it is obvious it is what I am saying that I am quoting...

I am asking a question, and giving what I hear as the interpretation of
his thinking...

.... you guys just don't get it do you? My whole point is that all you
are about is personal attacks and not about any real discussion--to
which you supply another personal attack as if that doesn't prove my
point.... get a clue.... you constantly demonstrate that you are
self-serving and into attacking any person who presents any part of the
problem--since you benefit from the existing problem...

John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:
Michael:

So, your logic goes something like this, "That problem exists in
other places too--we have nothing to worry about."

Quotes even!

I don't recall saying "we have nothing to worry about"

We do, and ham radio is waay down on the list of problems that occur
due to the lack of US citizens going for technical careers. And it
isn't going to be fixed by Ham radio.

- Mike KB3EIA -

John Smith wrote:
it is proper to quote anything which has been said...

That was nothing I ever said. Is quoting things I never said proper?

I would think it is obvious it is what I am saying that I am quoting...

That isn't how quotes work. I don't quote myself, save when I look up
something I wrote or said earlier.

I am asking a question, and giving what I hear as the interpretation of
his thinking...

No need for interpretation needed, as far as I can see.

... you guys just don't get it do you? My whole point is that all you
are about is personal attacks and not about any real discussion--to
which you supply another personal attack as if that doesn't prove my
point.... get a clue.... you constantly demonstrate that you are
self-serving and into attacking any person who presents any part of the
problem--since you benefit from the existing problem...


What personal attack, John Smith?

If you interpret my responses as a personal attack, then what on earth
are *your* missives?

But if that is how ya are, okay. I can quite botherin' ya.

- Mike KB3EIA -



John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:

Michael:

So, your logic goes something like this, "That problem exists in
other places too--we have nothing to worry about."

Quotes even!

I don't recall saying "we have nothing to worry about"

We do, and ham radio is waay down on the list of problems that occur
due to the lack of US citizens going for technical careers. And it
isn't going to be fixed by Ham radio.

- Mike KB3EIA -

John Smith wrote:

... you guys just don't get it do you? My whole point is that all you
are about is personal attacks and not about any real discussion--to
which you supply another personal attack as if that doesn't prove my
point.... get a clue.... you constantly demonstrate that you are
self-serving and into attacking any person who presents any part of the
problem--since you benefit from the existing problem...

Looks like you are the one that just dosen't get it johnnyboy. The older
generation isn't just a bunch of usless people taking up space here on
this earth as you seem to think. It seems you are the self-serving one,
you don't want to be bothered by anyone older than you, you seem to
think you have all the answers. Got news for you johnnyboy, you don't,
many of that older generation you seem to despise quite often know more
than you ever will.

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...


John Smith wrote:

I suppose everyone has something to say...

We are experiencing a time in our history where people are living a lot
longer than they ever used to--and in better health.

This is causing a problem in how to get them moved aside so younger and
more capable minds can grab the reins. However, those grizzled old
hands hands have a death-grip while the buggy heads for the cliff...


John, you are showing signs of being an ageist.

A person's ability to do a job is not specifically related to their
age. That is an old paradigm.

In fact, in the technical fields, there is a dramatic lack of young
Americans.

So if the geezers have that "death grip" on the reins removed, there
likely won't be anyone to take it up.

- Mike KB3EIA -



Hello, Mike

There is a dearth of young folks in technical fields as the religious right
has no (perceived) need for them.

Our engineering is now done in India and manufacturing in China. I've had
two small appliances now that failed in 6 months or less. The "warrantee"
is you send them the bad unit and they give you a replacement - and half
price. So, they simply sold another unit.

Meanwhile, I note we are quite a bit down the line in life expectancy. We
have a much higher incidence of infant death than many others.

I'm tired of hearing how great we are. We are leaving a rather poor legacy
to the young folks.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA