"John Smith" wrote

....so younger and more capable minds ....

Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher". Silly me!
Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured logic, we ought to be
issuing call signs on birth certificates so we can capture the REALLY capable
minds!

73, de Hans, K0HB

KXHB:

Yes, that is always the trouble with those getting their "15 minutes of
fame"--they NEVER leave gracefully... frown

.... time for new ideas and motivated minds with energy to move up
front...

.... all walkers, wheelchairs and crutches to the back, next to those
clutching bottles of laxatives, blood pressure medication, heart burn
medication, viagra, etc, etc... if you forget your name--don't worry--a
name tag has been placed on your chest to remind you...

John

"KXHB" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote

....so younger and more capable minds ....

Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher".
Silly me! Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured logic,
we ought to be issuing call signs on birth certificates so we can
capture the REALLY capable minds!

73, de Hans, K0HB

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
KXHB:

Yes, that is always the trouble with those getting their "15 minutes of
fame"--they NEVER leave gracefully... frown

... time for new ideas and motivated minds with energy to move up front...

... all walkers, wheelchairs and crutches to the back, next to those
clutching bottles of laxatives, blood pressure medication, heart burn
medication, viagra, etc, etc... if you forget your name--don't worry--a
name tag has been placed on your chest to remind you...

John


If I had a buck for all the mistakes the fellows with "... time for new
ideas and motivated minds with energy" made and that I had to straighten
out, I'd be rich. Every activity needs a BLEND OF OLD, NEW, and IN-BETWEEN
to get the best results.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


"KXHB" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote

....so younger and more capable minds ....

Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher". Silly
me! Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured logic, we ought
to be issuing call signs on birth certificates so we can capture the
REALLY capable minds!

73, de Hans, K0HB

.... hmm, too bad we will all die soon... guess it will be the end of the
world then, huh? Hey, that sounds like what my parents said!!!, and
they lied!!!...

.... you don't suspect people will think you are taking yourself much,
much too seriously do you? And, the would will get along just fine
without you?

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
KXHB:

Yes, that is always the trouble with those getting their "15 minutes
of fame"--they NEVER leave gracefully... frown

... time for new ideas and motivated minds with energy to move up
front...

... all walkers, wheelchairs and crutches to the back, next to those
clutching bottles of laxatives, blood pressure medication, heart burn
medication, viagra, etc, etc... if you forget your name--don't
worry--a name tag has been placed on your chest to remind you...

John


If I had a buck for all the mistakes the fellows with "... time for
new ideas and motivated minds with energy" made and that I had to
straighten out, I'd be rich. Every activity needs a BLEND OF OLD,
NEW, and IN-BETWEEN to get the best results.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


"KXHB" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote

....so younger and more capable minds ....

Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher".
Silly me! Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured
logic, we ought to be issuing call signs on birth certificates so we
can capture the REALLY capable minds!

73, de Hans, K0HB

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
KXHB:

Yes, that is always the trouble with those getting their "15 minutes of
fame"--they NEVER leave gracefully... frown

... time for new ideas and motivated minds with energy to move up
front...

... all walkers, wheelchairs and crutches to the back, next to those
clutching bottles of laxatives, blood pressure medication, heart burn
medication, viagra, etc, etc... if you forget your name--don't worry--a
name tag has been placed on your chest to remind you...

John


Hello, John


My you bounce around a lot

Given my druthers, I'd pick someone who has shown the capability to do a job
other than someone with a gift of gab. We had a couple of those back in the
80s. One they caught up with - he was running up long distance phone bills
to the company and was a real gem. The other could turn out twice the pile
of paper of the experienced folks. I left in 1989. I sent an e-mail 2
years later asking if they had figured out why they had lost half of their
purchasing information. LOL! They had the guys in the 3 piece suits from
IBM running around trying to figure out what happened. I knew. They guy
professed to be a genius and he pushed twice the paper of the older guys.
His code was terrible. When he hit end of file on either co-ordinated file,
he closed everything. Which left records in one of the buffers. The
company got exactly what it deserved. I reworked one program. What cost us
$150.00 per run ended up costing $1.45. It just took a little more code
(which is why he pushed out more paper, but it cost them dearly). The cpu
budget was over $700,000 per year in that area. They could have cut their
cost from 60% to 90%, depending upon how tight they wanted to write the
code. This was not my estimate; rather it was the estimates from 3 folks
that reviewed my submissions with highlighter over the sections that were
bad.

As far as hams go, I'd choose a guy who could figure out how to load up a
stupid wire fence to re-establish communications with Guam from Saipan. I
know as I was on the other end when Hans did exactly that. I had to go to
work and other guys picked up with no questions asked. Then, Captain
Delaney came to the shack and secure those guys from all further duty and
they passed traffic to ComNavMar directly. No problem. Military folks who
could follow orders and hams than knew what to do (the regular Navy folks
couldn't figure out what to do with a signal that was overloading their
receivers).

I'm willing to help someone who wants to measure their antenna "resistance"
with an ohm meter, but if they insist, well, go at it with a DVM )

Heck, I've had my 5 or 10 minutes of fame. Pulled a kid out of a river
years back who was going under. No big deal. I heard Hans (sparkplug1) and
answered him, starting the communications between Saipan and Guam. No big
deal. I showed my former employer how to do 8 hours of tool engineering
work in 15 minutes (yes, I wrote a program to generate the ladders).

My question is this: who would you trust? Someone with several instances of
"15 minutes of fame" or someone who talks a good story but has nothing to
show for it?

I'm not suggesting shutting out young folks, that would be stupid. I am
suggesting not shutting out older folks simply because they are getting old.
That is also very stupid.

The fact that someone can copy cw at 30 or 40 words per minute does *not*
mean they don't know anything else. Trust me on that.

Admittedly, we slow down a bit as we age. I can't easily do much over 60 or
65 words per minute typing. I used to feel a 100 word per minute teletype
fighting me as I did bursts in excess of 90 words per minute. I could keep
a 60 word per minute machine going continuously so that the other station
assumed I was using a tape.

Who cares? How many folks can type over 60 words per minute? Cut and paste
does *not* count. I can do that also LOL.


With all due regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

From: "Jim Hampton" on Thurs 23 Jun 2005 03:45


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
KXHB:

Yes, that is always the trouble with those getting their "15 minutes of
fame"--they NEVER leave gracefully... frown

... time for new ideas and motivated minds with energy to move up
front...

... all walkers, wheelchairs and crutches to the back, next to those
clutching bottles of laxatives, blood pressure medication, heart burn
medication, viagra, etc, etc... if you forget your name--don't worry--a
name tag has been placed on your chest to remind you...

John


Hello, John

My you bounce around a lot

Given my druthers, I'd pick someone who has shown the capability to do a job
other than someone with a gift of gab.

A "job?" :-)

Is amateur radio a "job?"

We had a couple of those back in the
80s. One they caught up with - he was running up long distance phone bills
to the company and was a real gem. The other could turn out twice the pile
of paper of the experienced folks. I left in 1989. I sent an e-mail 2
years later asking if they had figured out why they had lost half of their
purchasing information. LOL! They had the guys in the 3 piece suits from
IBM running around trying to figure out what happened. I knew. They guy
professed to be a genius and he pushed twice the paper of the older guys.
His code was terrible. When he hit end of file on either co-ordinated file,
he closed everything. Which left records in one of the buffers. The
company got exactly what it deserved. I reworked one program. What cost us
$150.00 per run ended up costing $1.45. It just took a little more code
(which is why he pushed out more paper, but it cost them dearly). The cpu
budget was over $700,000 per year in that area. They could have cut their
cost from 60% to 90%, depending upon how tight they wanted to write the
code. This was not my estimate; rather it was the estimates from 3 folks
that reviewed my submissions with highlighter over the sections that were
bad.

Okay, send me your TS card, I'll punch it. [got a new punch]

As far as hams go, I'd choose a guy who could figure out how to load up a
stupid wire fence to re-establish communications with Guam from Saipan. I
know as I was on the other end when Hans did exactly that. I had to go to
work and other guys picked up with no questions asked. Then, Captain
Delaney came to the shack and secure those guys from all further duty and
they passed traffic to ComNavMar directly. No problem. Military folks who
could follow orders and hams than knew what to do (the regular Navy folks
couldn't figure out what to do with a signal that was overloading their
receivers).

Oh, boy! Heah come de "Guam-Saipan" hams-save-the-day story
again! :-)

I'm willing to help someone who wants to measure their antenna "resistance"
with an ohm meter, but if they insist, well, go at it with a DVM )

Heck, I've had my 5 or 10 minutes of fame. Pulled a kid out of a river
years back who was going under. No big deal. I heard Hans (sparkplug1) and
answered him, starting the communications between Saipan and Guam. No big
deal. I showed my former employer how to do 8 hours of tool engineering
work in 15 minutes (yes, I wrote a program to generate the ladders).

Your certificate is in the mail, credited with 45 minutes for
three (3) Warhols. [mailed in a plain, brown envelope]

My question is this: who would you trust? Someone with several instances of
"15 minutes of fame" or someone who talks a good story but has nothing to
show for it?

Everyone MUST have a personal webpage with their homebuilt kluge
displayed on it. [praise endorsements from neighbors optional]

I'm not suggesting shutting out young folks, that would be stupid. I am
suggesting not shutting out older folks simply because they are getting old.
That is also very stupid.

Don't olde-fahrts RULE in here?

The fact that someone can copy cw at 30 or 40 words per minute does *not*
mean they don't know anything else. Trust me on that.

Really? :-)

Admittedly, we slow down a bit as we age. I can't easily do much over 60 or
65 words per minute typing. I used to feel a 100 word per minute teletype
fighting me as I did bursts in excess of 90 words per minute. I could keep
a 60 word per minute machine going continuously so that the other station
assumed I was using a tape.

Been there, done that. Did you want a Certificate for THAT, too?

[Teletype Corporation is DEFUNCT]

Who cares? How many folks can type over 60 words per minute? Cut and paste
does *not* count. I can do that also LOL.

Is there a "typing test" in amateur radio license examinations?

Last I heard, there was just this morse code test for manual
skill demonstrations.

You should write the VEC QPC and insist they include a question
on How To Wire A Fence To Restore Guam-Saipan Communications For
MARS! Maybe Hans could help you with that letter? [a thought]

Oh, by the way, computer source code is NOT the "code" that is
supposed to be talked about in here. Has nothing to do with
ham radio, I'm told. [just passing along an advisory]

Wanna compare ACM membership numbers? :-)

KØHB wrote:
"John Smith" wrote


....so younger and more capable minds ....


Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher". Silly me!
Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured logic, we ought to be
issuing call signs on birth certificates so we can capture the REALLY capable
minds!

Didn't' you know, Hans - there are a brand new set of laws of physics
now - and the big thing is that they can only be understood by those
under 25.....

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike:

Geesh... old geezers taking themselves far too seriously... now where
have I see that before?

You guys are real legends--legends in your own minds!!!

John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
KØHB wrote:
"John Smith" wrote


....so younger and more capable minds ....


Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher".
Silly me! Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured logic,
we ought to be issuing call signs on birth certificates so we can
capture the REALLY capable minds!

Didn't' you know, Hans - there are a brand new set of laws of physics
now - and the big thing is that they can only be understood by those
under 25.....

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
KØHB wrote:
"John Smith" wrote


....so younger and more capable minds ....


Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher". Silly
me!
Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured logic, we ought to
be
issuing call signs on birth certificates so we can capture the REALLY
capable
minds!

Didn't' you know, Hans - there are a brand new set of laws of physics
now - and the big thing is that they can only be understood by those
under 25.....

- Mike KB3EIA -


Hello, Mike

I'm not sure it is necessarily the young folks. I keep hearing that pi is
exactly equal to three.

Dang, I'm getting old. I thought it was approximately
3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 10.

Of course, I may have well made a type. I know another 50 places or so, but
if I didn't make a typo in the first 50, I sure as heck will in the next 50
LOL.

Funny how they love their cell phones and satellite television. I keep
hearing that the theory of gravity is only a theory, but, if you try, you
will find that you can't achieve a stable orbit with anything but the
established "theory". Of course, even Einstein was mistaken for a janitor
and also dismissed by folks after WWII about the dangers of atomic fission
and fusion. He was, after all, old and decrepit.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHA!

Have they found the weapons of mass destruction yet?

I hear they know where Bin Laden is. So ... ????

Nada. Zilch. Zero. It is claimed that they don't want to offend certain
nations. Yet, I hear that the U.K. is left-leaning. You know, I am getting
sick to my stomach of the "spin" some folks are putting on things.



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Jim Hampton wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
K=D8HB wrote:
"John Smith" wrote

....so younger and more capable minds ....

As if!

Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the
best teacher". Silly me!
Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured
logic, we ought to be
issuing call signs on birth certificates so we
can capture the REALLY capable minds!

Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it..

Didn't' you know, Hans - there are a brand new set
of laws of physics
now - and the big thing is that they can only
be understood by those under 25.....

- Mike KB3EIA -

Hello, Mike

I'm not sure it is necessarily the young folks.
I keep hearing that pi is exactly equal to three.

Dang, I'm getting old. I thought it was approximately
3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 10.

Of course, I may have well made a type. I know another 50
places or so, but
if I didn't make a typo in the first 50, I sure as heck will in the nex=
t 50
LOL.

Funny how they love their cell phones and satellite
television. I keep
hearing that the theory of gravity is only a theory, but, if
you try, you
will find that you can't achieve a stable orbit with anything
but the
established "theory". Of course, even Einstein was mistaken
for a janitor
and also dismissed by folks after WWII about the dangers of
atomic fission
and fusion. He was, after all, old and decrepit.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHA!

Have they found the weapons of mass destruction yet?

I hear they know where Bin Laden is. So ... ????

Nada. Zilch. Zero. It is claimed that they don't want
to offend certain
nations. Yet, I hear that the U.K. is left-leaning.
You know, I am getting
sick to my stomach of the "spin" some folks are
putting on things.

Me too, Jim and Mike...

Seems that it's not technology they object to as much as
science. Like any science that says the earth is more
than about 6000 years old. Or science that shows we share
an enormous amount of DNA with other primates. Or any
science that says maybe we shouldn't have so many babies,
because the earth can only support a limited number of
people. Global climate change? Hole in the ozone layer?
Just theory, from "liberal academics"...

Nothing new - look what happened to folks like Galileo
who said the earth wasn't the center of the universe.
Next thing ya know they'll take "Inherit The Wind" off
the shelves...

73 de Jim, N2EY