.... when lost in "La La Land" just follow the yellow brick road...

John

"Lloyd" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Lloyd:

Mixing LSD with Psilocybin and Mescaline is dangerous--I must caution
against such abuse...

John


John,

You apologized twice, when only once was necessary. Now you
are groveling. AND, worst of all, Secwet Woger is your fwiend.
I cannot help you any further, perhaps someone else here can.

73,

Lloyd

John,

You must realize that I *love* the United States. It is because of that
love that I am very afraid of GW.

The attack on Afghanistan was fully justified, especially since they wanted
to protect Bin Laden.

The attack on Iraq seems more than a bit muddied. Now that one or two
generals mentioned what was needed and that things were not going as
expected, I'd expect heads to roll (their heads).

I have great faith and trust in our military. GW was not listening to his
military advisors as to what was needed in the first place, and I shan't
mention the missing weapons.

Many members of the military who have been in the military for a couple of
decades have experienced war. The high ranking officers likely have lead in
some of those ... um ... skirmishes? I suspect they have a far better idea
as to what it takes than someone who apparently found a way to avoid
military service almost entirely (except for, perhaps, a week). High
ranking military officials have input that is sorely needed in the White
House; unfortunately, they were ignored.

I have no desire to appease either the French or the Muslims. I do wish,
however, that I could go back to my grandfather's native Scotland if only to
visit.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA




"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Jim:

Well, go take of your french buddies, maybe you will want to appease the
muslims too...

John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Hello, John

You are correct - HF (and MF) amateur radio is not isolated. Signals
cross
international boundaries. As to "sovereign nation, it sounds good and
is,
except that what we are discussing crosses international boundaries.
The
international agreements will have to happen - or would you prefer
that
Radio Moscow rear it's head on a directional array running 5,000,000
watts
in the middle of our AM broadcast band?

VHF and above does not often stray far (although the stuff from 30 MHz
to
perhaps a bit above 6 meters can and does at times, especially during
the
peak of the sunspot cycle); therefore the FCC is very free to
rearrange
things that don't affect satellite transmission/reception.

Heck, when you said "one world order", I thought you were going to
mention
our friend, GW


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Jim:

Yes, you touch on globalization and "one world order" and/or "new
order"
(hey, wasn't that a phrase invented by Adolph Hitler's klick?)

Seems like a little more thought on "sovereign nation" and just
exactly
what that is might be to our best interest.

Also, seems with each passing day "they" are anxious to give us
reasons
why we should lose respect for gov't and authority and, the effects
of
this are rather frightening--it even touches my neighborhood--a place
which was once safe and secure.

I can hardly see how this is not having an effect on this great
hobby--amateur radio is not an isolated island.

John

Jim:

Yes, the bush is a bit of a worry...

Rummy said we will be in Iraq another 12 years--I expect they will have
just finished stealing their oil by then...

John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
John,

You must realize that I *love* the United States. It is because of
that
love that I am very afraid of GW.

The attack on Afghanistan was fully justified, especially since they
wanted
to protect Bin Laden.

The attack on Iraq seems more than a bit muddied. Now that one or two
generals mentioned what was needed and that things were not going as
expected, I'd expect heads to roll (their heads).

I have great faith and trust in our military. GW was not listening to
his
military advisors as to what was needed in the first place, and I
shan't
mention the missing weapons.

Many members of the military who have been in the military for a
couple of
decades have experienced war. The high ranking officers likely have
lead in
some of those ... um ... skirmishes? I suspect they have a far better
idea
as to what it takes than someone who apparently found a way to avoid
military service almost entirely (except for, perhaps, a week). High
ranking military officials have input that is sorely needed in the
White
House; unfortunately, they were ignored.

I have no desire to appease either the French or the Muslims. I do
wish,
however, that I could go back to my grandfather's native Scotland if
only to
visit.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA




"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Jim:

Well, go take of your french buddies, maybe you will want to appease
the
muslims too...

John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Hello, John

You are correct - HF (and MF) amateur radio is not isolated.
Signals
cross
international boundaries. As to "sovereign nation, it sounds good
and
is,
except that what we are discussing crosses international
boundaries.
The
international agreements will have to happen - or would you prefer
that
Radio Moscow rear it's head on a directional array running
5,000,000
watts
in the middle of our AM broadcast band?

VHF and above does not often stray far (although the stuff from 30
MHz
to
perhaps a bit above 6 meters can and does at times, especially
during
the
peak of the sunspot cycle); therefore the FCC is very free to
rearrange
things that don't affect satellite transmission/reception.

Heck, when you said "one world order", I thought you were going to
mention
our friend, GW


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Jim:

Yes, you touch on globalization and "one world order" and/or "new
order"
(hey, wasn't that a phrase invented by Adolph Hitler's klick?)

Seems like a little more thought on "sovereign nation" and just
exactly
what that is might be to our best interest.

Also, seems with each passing day "they" are anxious to give us
reasons
why we should lose respect for gov't and authority and, the
effects
of
this are rather frightening--it even touches my neighborhood--a
place
which was once safe and secure.

I can hardly see how this is not having an effect on this great
hobby--amateur radio is not an isolated island.

John

From: on Jun 27, 6:11 pm

Jim Hampton wrote:
The HF bands are, many times, international in scope. This story is not
about the FCC, it is about international agreements.

It's about both, really.

There we have it from an "insider."


The US delegation to the radio conferences looks to FCC for input,
though. (Not just FCC, of course.) There's a big difference between
what happens if FCC says that 75 is such a mess it isn't worth
defending at the conferences versus the reverse.

WRRRRONNNNNGGGGGGG.

The U.S. delegation to the WRCs IS composed of members from
the FCC, the NTIA, and Department of State. All three. You can
read that on the FCC website or read the Report of the Chairperson
(OF the FCC) on WRC-03.


There's also a lesson in human nature in there, too. When Rudy Giuliani
was elected mayor of NYC, one of his priorities was enforcement of

The POLITICAL newsgroups are on the 2nd floor. Go there and
find some Noo Yawk buddies.


If you look at cell phones, you might get an idea of the extent of the
problem. In developed countries, cell phones have become big business. In
the U.S., every teenager "needs" one. It takes a lot of cell phone towers
to provide service, not to mention ever increasing needs of frequencies.

Right - but those will be VHF/UHF, not HF.

Low end of L-Band, in the microwaves.


Back in 1912, hams had access to "200 meters and down" (note - that did
not mean any ham could use any frequency above 1500 kHz! It meant that
individual hams could apply for, and receive, licenses to use specific
frequencies above 1500. So could anyone else, but the professionals and
experts of the time thought those frequencies were useless for
long-distance communications.

1912 was NINETY THREE YEARS AGO, senior. The "audion" was only
six years old and "electronics professionals" were still trying
to figure out how to make them.

When HF was carved into bands, US hams had lots of room. Before 1929,
40 meters was 7000 to 8000 kHz and 20 meters was 14,000 to 16,000 kHz -
exact harmonics of 80!

Got any more CUT AND PASTE from "200 Meters and Down?"

Anybody in here born BEFORE 1929, senior?


Most of the communications revolution has nothing to do with radio.
It's all about fiber optics.

Really?!? "Nothing to do with radio" yet it is a main subject
of the following trade magazines: "Microwaves and RF," "RF
Design." Not to mention the big Microwave Symposium recently
in Long Beach, CA.

The 100 MILLION plus 2-way RADIO handsets (called "cell phones")
don't have any "fiber" attached to them.

GPS doesn't work by "fiber."

Those hundreds of thousands of public safety, utility, transport
companies, businesses of all sizes, in VHF-UHF aren't communicating
via "fiber."

WLANS are RADIO since they were done to get AWAY from "fiber."

RFID tag interrogators are working in RADIO frequencies in stores
all over the USA and possessions. No "fiber."

Bluetooth devices are short-range two-way RADIOS without "fiber"
and most of those work with fiber-less cell phones.

YOU need more mental fiber in your knowledge diet.



Big business and the Republicans rule.

"What's good for General Bullmoose...."

Next time be careful of who you vote for.

I've always been careful that way...

But the Dems have a way of nominating candidates that too many people
won't vote for. They're well on the way to doing it again with Hillary.
She's the best friend the 'pubs ever had!

Friend of mine once said that if you gave the DNC the job of organizing
a firing squad, they'd put the squad in a circle around the condemned
person.

The POLITICAL newsgroups are up on the other floor. This one
is about AMATEUR RADIO. Go join your "friend" there, okay?

bb wrote:
wrote:
Although several years ago, Riley's comments are worth a look:

"This Amateur Radio service is serious business."

Not once in the speech is the word "hobby" used.

Must be why this newsgroup is on "rec" along with all the other
hobbies.

Guess it's because someone OTHER than an FCC operative had to make
that call?

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
From: on Mon 27 Jun 2005 03:19

Hollingsworth is NOT in the FCC "Key People," "Division Chiefs,"
or "Regional Director" listings at the FCC of their Enforcement
Bureau. One has to go deeper into the Spectral office of the
Enforcement Bureau where Hollingsworth is listed as second from
bottom on that office's "key people" listing...as one of two who
are "Special Counsel."

And this has what to do with his impact on Amateur Radio?

At least he's ON a "list, Lennie...

You're not even an "also ran..."

It is true that nowhere in Title 47 C.F.R. are the words "hobby"
or "ham radio" given. On the other hand, Part 97 rather
specifically defines amateur radio as an activity done for a
NON-pecuniary reason. That doesn't even mention "money" though
it is obvious that it means that amateur radio CANNOT accept
money for doing any communications service for others.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..............THAT'S it!

No Money = Doesn't Count.

Alllllllllllllllll riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighty then!

Amateur radio in the USA is forbidden by law to engage in
broadcasting. Amateur radio in the USA is forbidden by law to
be a public communications common carrier...that is, specifically
as a provider of radio communications services. Amateur radio
regulations even state that amateur communications themselves
are to be of a trivial nature and amateurs themselves are
supposed to avail themselves of commercial communications
services for non-trivial communications.

However the FCC ALSO says that Amateur Radio is a pool of
radio operators for EMERGENCY communications, and both history and
current events bears out that Amateur Radio is/was/and shall continue
for the foreseeable future to be the resource of choice for numerous
disaster relief providers and agencies, public and private.

Amateur radio in the USA is NOT a "national service."

Sure it is.

All throughout Title 47 C.F.R. the word "service" is a regulatory
term denoting a type and kind of radio activity being regulated.

Keep repeating that to yourself over and over, Lennie.

Is the Citizens Band Radio SERVICE a "national service?" No.

Sure it is.

Is the Amateur Radio Service a "national service?" No.

Sure it is.

There's a difference between words used "de jure" (by law as
stated) and "de facto" (what it really is in practice).

Neither of THOSE terms show up in Part 97 either!

Amateur radio is a HOBBY...a recreational pursuit done for personal
pleasure, federally regulated only because of the physical nature
of radio wave propagation and possible interference with other
radio users. DE FACTO a HOBBY.

Wrong.

Amateur Radio is a radio service that may be USED as a hobby, and
virtually is.

However there are a great many things in this Nation of ours that
it's citizens do for their own personal gratification (ie: hobby) that
I seriously doubt anyone would consider a "hobby"...EMS, or Emergency
Medical Services, for example. Depending on whose numbers you like
better, anywhere from 55% to 75% of EMS is provided by volunteers.

Ditto fire suppression...(yes, even in Southern California,
Lennie...)

By YOUR rationalization, Lennie, we can call EMS and fire
suppression "hobbies".

How assinine would THAT be...?!?!

"...I know that when a natural disaster hits, they're [cell towers]
the first ones to go down. And the few that are remaining are jammed
and you can't get access."

Hollingsworth is "playing to his audience" (to use a show business
phrase).

No.

It's documented fact.

Physically, the cellular telephone services, an adjunct to the
wired telephone infrastructure, does NOT "go down" either "first"
or last.

No...In Southern Florida this most recent past hurricaine season,
many of the towers WENT DOWN...Not meaning "for maintenance" or due to
"overload"...They were toppled.

TELEPHONE communications is "jammed" only by too many
panic-stricken subscribers trying to use it simultaneously at the
onset of some emergency.

That too. But inoperative is inoperative.

" The people who are going to be taking care
of the real communications are sitting right here in this room. It's
the Amateur Radio service. And in the first few days, or the first few
hours of these multi-jurisdictional incidents, it's the amateurs who
keep things going."

In light of recent REAL EMERGENCIES, REAL HISTORY has shown
that the commercial services HAVE CONTINUED TO WORK despite
SOME of their facilities being "downed."

And some have not...In some cases for WEEKS.

In those cases, Amateur Radio was asked to and did fill those
gaps.

Facilities are NOT
RESTRICTED to JUST telephones, wired and/or cellular. There
are, in this nation, literally, hundreds of thousands of OTHER
radios which can, and have, been used for two-way communications.

"We" know that...because "we" are asked to man those other
facilities...Hospitals, fire stations, Red Cross offices.

That is NOT counting CB or the approximately 100 million
cellular telephone radio handsets.

CB is useless as anything other than an ancilliary function, and
cellphones have too many of their own inadequacies to "go the
distance".

Proven.

Eleven and a half years ago...(SNIP)

Lennie, yuo keep citing ONE instance where there was no MAJOR
implementation of Amateur Radio as an interim communications resource.

One example in over 90 years of history does NOT a trend make.

Hollingsworth is a special counsel to the Enforcement Bureau's
Spectral enforcers. He should KNOW BETTER than to perpetuate
such myths as he stated. But, Hollingsworth does NOT
specifically speak FOR amateur radio. He is little more than
a "radio cop in a suit."

He did not lie.

He did NOT "perpetuate such myths"...

You are welcome to try and refute his comments, Lennie, but
there's tons of historical (and yes CURRENT historical) evidence to
support eacn and every word.

"There was a big newspaper chain that had a reporter with headphones on
listening to the hurricane emergency net. That made us nervous. The
last thing we wanted was some bad publicity for the Amateur Radio
service anywhere."

"Our people that go to these ITU meetings will tell us that it's
often a personal embarassment to them when these countries play back
tapes of what they hear on 75 and 20 Meters in the American amateur
bands."

On the American 'phone subbands. Not CW/data subbands...

Oh, my, another MYTH. Simon Pure morseman "does not swear with
morse code!" He is "safe to be around the children?"

[how many children did you say you "parented?"]

What myth?

Unfortunatley there ARE some very ill-mouthed persons just as Jim
described.

And in over 30+ years as an Amateur, mos tof which was HF-CW, I
have never "heard" a profanity...

I can't say that of phone operations.

If you had any practical experience, Lennie, you'd know.

Heck, if you even tuneded that antiquated R-70 down band a bit
you'd know better...

"It puts them in a very difficult position when they have to defend
examples of conduct that other countries hear."

All those "75 and 20 Meters" radiotelephone users were
CODE TESTED (or had the equivalent of same).

The CODE TEST does NOT prevent verbal abuse via radio.

WHO said it did?

However it DOES appear as though code USE at least minimizes if
not prevents "verbal" abuse...Whether it's just a better class of
people or the "effort" one has to put into it makes it less attractive
to potential abusers.

Should be "'nuff said".....

Here's another: David Sumner's editorial pieces in QST are done
by David Sumner. James Miccolis has not been invited to become
any "guest commentator" or "moral guardian" of U.S. amateur radio.
But, he has set himself out as the same sort of "moral guardian"
and "giver of ethos" as if he was "respresentative" of over
700 thousand U.S. amateur radio licensees.

Even then he perpetuates the past with parodic perfidy.

Can we add that certain ex-radio technician and his Army days to
that?

Seems he has HIS weaknesses about wanting to be the "moral
guardian" of a radio service that he haas NO licensure or vested
interest in...



Steve, K4YZ

From: K4YZ on Jun 28, 7:05
am


Is the Citizens Band Radio SERVICE a "national service?" No.

Sure it is.

Is the Amateur Radio Service a "national service?" No.

Sure it is.

Waaaa, waaaa, liddle Stebie stamps his feet and yells "is too!
is too!" :-)



"We" know that...because "we" are asked to man those other
facilities...Hospitals, fire stations, Red Cross offices.

Heroes to a man, Medal of Honor winners, Nobel Laureates
and forever in the hearts of their countrymen.....yawwwwn.

"The patriotic bunting is up, the bunting is waving...the
bunting is down...you have twenty seconds..."


One example in over 90 years of history does NOT a trend make.

Jimmie Grasshopper always says that.


Unfortunatley there ARE some very ill-mouthed persons just as Jim
described.

And in over 30+ years as an Amateur, mos tof which was HF-CW, I
have never "heard" a profanity...

"Dyslexics of the world, UNTIE!" :-)

"Mos Tof?" Is that a sister planet to "Mos Eisely" in "Star Wars?"

"Unfortunatley" poor Stebie is mad as hell again and can't take
his spelling again...


Heck, if you even tuneded that antiquated R-70 down band a bit
you'd know better...

Samantha needs to cast a "spell" on Stebie...

Should be easy, everyone else wrinkling their nose when Stebie
writes...



However it DOES appear as though code USE at least minimizes if
not prevents "verbal" abuse...Whether it's just a better class of
people or the "effort" one has to put into it makes it less attractive
to potential abusers.

Morse code is safe for CHILDREN?

Yes. All morsemen can behave as children safely...in here.

And some do! :-)

A jolly Foxtrot Uniform to you, too, hero of "seven hostile
actions!"

Temper fry.

wrote in message
ps.com...
Jim Hampton wrote:
The HF bands are, many times, international in scope. This story is not
about the FCC, it is about international agreements.

It's about both, really.

What is said in the story is true; many 3rd world countries would love
80
meters as it would provide cheap communications (they don't have to pay
to
build all the infrastructure of a telephone system to cover their
country).
If the world community decides that 80/75 meters is to no longer be an
amateur allocations, the FCC will have nothing to say about it.

The US delegation to the radio conferences looks to FCC for input,
though. (Not just FCC, of course.) There's a big difference between
what happens if FCC says that 75 is such a mess it isn't worth
defending at the conferences versus the reverse.

I think the main point of all this is that it's really up to *us hams*
to
show that we're worth our allocations. That's one reason on-air
behavior really matters!

There's also a lesson in human nature in there, too. When Rudy Giuliani
was elected mayor of NYC, one of his priorities was enforcement of
"minor" laws,
like going after turnstile-jumpers, graffiti and trash/rubbish
violations. Some people asked if tax money wouldn't be better spent
going after drug dealers and murderers. RG's theory was that if you
allow the "little stuff" to get slack, the big stuff gets slack too. In
any event, NYC's crime, large and small, went down.

Same principle applies on the ham bands. But FCC can't do it all -
there's the question of what we hams consider acceptable behavior. FCC
enforcement is complaint-driven - just ask K1MAN. A key factor in his
case is that many,
many hams complained about his violations over a long period of time.

If you look at cell phones, you might get an idea of the extent of the
problem. In developed countries, cell phones have become big business.
In
the U.S., every teenager "needs" one. It takes a lot of cell phone
towers
to provide service, not to mention ever increasing needs of frequencies.

Right - but those will be VHF/UHF, not HF.

I believe that when I was first licensed (in 1962) amateurs could use
any
frequency above 30 GHz. There was little gear that could function at
all at
that frequency and dx records could be measured in yards or a few miles.
Nowadays, there are some amateur bands intermingled with other segments
going up to 300 GHz, at which point amateurs can use anything above 300
GHz.
300 GHz in far infra-red light!

Sure - but isn't that the way it's always been?

Back in 1912, hams had access to "200 meters and down" (note - that did
not mean any ham could use any frequency above 1500 kHz! It meant that
individual hams could apply for, and receive, licenses to use specific
frequencies above 1500. So could anyone else, but the professionals and
experts of the time thought those frequencies were useless for
long-distance communications.

When HF was carved into bands, US hams had lots of room. Before 1929,
40 meters was 7000 to 8000 kHz and 20 meters was 14,000 to 16,000 kHz -
exact harmonics of 80!

Somehow, communications devices are going to have to become more
efficient
at using available frequencies (amateurs included). Even assuming they
do
(and they have become more band-width friendly), there will be pressure
on
all users to use it (effectively) or loose it.

I agree up to a point.

Most of the communications revolution has nothing to do with radio.
It's all about fiber optics. Heck, I bet that the vast majority of
telecommunications today (in terms of bits/mile) does *not* go by
radio, but by copper or glass. Cell phones, Wi-Fi, etc. are simply a
way of getting the last mile without a wire or fiber. Broadcasting as
we knew it will probably morph into something aimed mostly at mobile
users.

Heck, the real value of HF (as perceived by regulators) is demonstrated
by BPL.

As to the FCC, they can easily reassign users at VHF and above as it
doesn't
carry world-wide.

*Some* of our bands are not protected by treaty, others are. 144-146 is
worldwide exclusive amateur, FCC can't touch it without a treaty
change. 146-148 could be reallocated whenever FCC feels like it.

Those segments are also in jeopardy by big business.
Note that the Supreme Court ruled that local governments can exercise
their
right to take property (with compensation to the owners) and sell it to
someone else.

They took eminent domain to a new high - or low.

Think what it means! Once it was the case that your house could be
taken to build a public works project (road, school, bridge) on the
theory that the public good demanded it. Now the Supremes are saying
that "the public good" includes a *private industry* developer who
wants to put up McMansions.

Big business and the Republicans rule.

"What's good for General Bullmoose...."

Next time be careful of who you vote for.

I've always been careful that way...

But the Dems have a way of nominating candidates that too many people
won't vote for. They're well on the way to doing it again with Hillary.
She's the best friend the 'pubs ever had!

Friend of mine once said that if you gave the DNC the job of organizing
a firing squad, they'd put the squad in a circle around the condemned
person.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

73 de Jim, N2EY



Hello, Jim

LOL, I got a chuckle from your post. You are right; I was generalizing. Of
course, the FCC has input, but international agreements we have to follow (I
hope).

I'm glad you have enjoy 'lil Abner in the past. I always loved that strip.
What's good for ..... LOL

Fortunately, in this country we are free to disagree, rather than being
placed in a tree grinder or whatever

As to the Democrats, I hate to admit it but you just may have hit the nail
on the head. Point well taken



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

wrote in message
ups.com...
From: on Jun 27, 6:11 pm

Jim Hampton wrote:
The HF bands are, many times, international in scope. This story is
not
about the FCC, it is about international agreements.

It's about both, really.

There we have it from an "insider."


The US delegation to the radio conferences looks to FCC for input,
though. (Not just FCC, of course.) There's a big difference between
what happens if FCC says that 75 is such a mess it isn't worth
defending at the conferences versus the reverse.

WRRRRONNNNNGGGGGGG.

The U.S. delegation to the WRCs IS composed of members from
the FCC, the NTIA, and Department of State. All three. You can
read that on the FCC website or read the Report of the Chairperson
(OF the FCC) on WRC-03.


There's also a lesson in human nature in there, too. When Rudy Giuliani
was elected mayor of NYC, one of his priorities was enforcement of

The POLITICAL newsgroups are on the 2nd floor. Go there and
find some Noo Yawk buddies.


If you look at cell phones, you might get an idea of the extent of the
problem. In developed countries, cell phones have become big business.
In
the U.S., every teenager "needs" one. It takes a lot of cell phone
towers
to provide service, not to mention ever increasing needs of
frequencies.

Right - but those will be VHF/UHF, not HF.

Low end of L-Band, in the microwaves.


Back in 1912, hams had access to "200 meters and down" (note - that did
not mean any ham could use any frequency above 1500 kHz! It meant that
individual hams could apply for, and receive, licenses to use specific
frequencies above 1500. So could anyone else, but the professionals and
experts of the time thought those frequencies were useless for
long-distance communications.

1912 was NINETY THREE YEARS AGO, senior. The "audion" was only
six years old and "electronics professionals" were still trying
to figure out how to make them.

When HF was carved into bands, US hams had lots of room. Before 1929,
40 meters was 7000 to 8000 kHz and 20 meters was 14,000 to 16,000 kHz -
exact harmonics of 80!

Got any more CUT AND PASTE from "200 Meters and Down?"

Anybody in here born BEFORE 1929, senior?


Most of the communications revolution has nothing to do with radio.
It's all about fiber optics.

Really?!? "Nothing to do with radio" yet it is a main subject
of the following trade magazines: "Microwaves and RF," "RF
Design." Not to mention the big Microwave Symposium recently
in Long Beach, CA.

The 100 MILLION plus 2-way RADIO handsets (called "cell phones")
don't have any "fiber" attached to them.

GPS doesn't work by "fiber."

Those hundreds of thousands of public safety, utility, transport
companies, businesses of all sizes, in VHF-UHF aren't communicating
via "fiber."

WLANS are RADIO since they were done to get AWAY from "fiber."

RFID tag interrogators are working in RADIO frequencies in stores
all over the USA and possessions. No "fiber."

Bluetooth devices are short-range two-way RADIOS without "fiber"
and most of those work with fiber-less cell phones.

YOU need more mental fiber in your knowledge diet.



Big business and the Republicans rule.

"What's good for General Bullmoose...."

Next time be careful of who you vote for.

I've always been careful that way...

But the Dems have a way of nominating candidates that too many people
won't vote for. They're well on the way to doing it again with Hillary.
She's the best friend the 'pubs ever had!

Friend of mine once said that if you gave the DNC the job of organizing
a firing squad, they'd put the squad in a circle around the condemned
person.

The POLITICAL newsgroups are up on the other floor. This one
is about AMATEUR RADIO. Go join your "friend" there, okay?






Hello, Len

Amateur radio policy is *devoid* of politics? ROTFLMAO.

The Repooblican party, big business, and frequency allocations have quite a
bit of politics involved, my friend.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Jim Hampton wrote:
wrote in message
ps.com...
Jim Hampton wrote:
*Some* of our bands are not protected by treaty, others are. 144-146 is
worldwide exclusive amateur, FCC can't touch it without a treaty
change. 146-148 could be reallocated whenever FCC feels like it.

Those segments are also in jeopardy by big business.
Note that the Supreme Court ruled that local governments can exercise
their
right to take property (with compensation to the owners) and sell it to
someone else.

They took eminent domain to a new high - or low.

Think what it means! Once it was the case that your house could be
taken to build a public works project (road, school, bridge) on the
theory that the public good demanded it. Now the Supremes are saying
that "the public good" includes a *private industry* developer who
wants to put up McMansions.

I saw a headline that some private developer wants to use the new
ruling
to get some private property eminent-domained so he can build on it.
The
land currently belongs to one of the Supremes (and I don't mean the
singers)

see: www.fark.com

(very good site, btw)

Big business and the Republicans rule.

"What's good for General Bullmoose...."

Next time be careful of who you vote for.

I've always been careful that way...

But the Dems have a way of nominating candidates that too many people
won't vote for. They're well on the way to doing it again with Hillary.
She's the best friend the 'pubs ever had!

Of course I could be wrong. When she carpetbagged to New York State I
was
sure there was no way she could get elected.

But ya gotta ask - is HRC the best the Dems can do for 2008? Sheesh!

(then again, look at what the 'pubs have offered us....)

Friend of mine once said that if you gave the DNC the job of organizing
a firing squad, they'd put the squad in a circle around the condemned
person.


Hello, Jim

LOL, I got a chuckle from your post. You are right; I was generalizing. Of
course, the FCC has input, but international agreements we have to follow (I
hope).

At least so far as frequency allocations are concerned.

I'm glad you have enjoy 'lil Abner in the past.

One wonders if it could be done today. Moonbeam McSwine, Stupefyin'
Jones, and my personal favorite, Appassionata Von Climax.

I heard the Broadway soundtrack album as a kid many, many times.

I always loved that strip.
What's good for ..... LOL

Art imitates life.

Panfried shmoos, anyone?

Then there was Pogo....

Fortunately, in this country we are free to disagree, rather than being
placed in a tree grinder or whatever

At least for now, anyway.

As to the Democrats, I hate to admit it but you just may have hit the nail
on the head. Point well taken

The sad part of it for me is that Bill Clinton was perhaps the biggest
factor in all of it. Normally an incumbent VP should have won in a
walk, but Bill's misbehavior in office forced Algore to lose all
coattails. Which set the stage for Shrub to win.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

I still miss Palmyra

73 de Jim, N2EY