Jim:

Yes, you touch on globalization and "one world order" and/or "new order"
(hey, wasn't that a phrase invented by Adolph Hitler's klick?)

Seems like a little more thought on "sovereign nation" and just exactly
what that is might be to our best interest.

Also, seems with each passing day "they" are anxious to give us reasons
why we should lose respect for gov't and authority and, the effects of
this are rather frightening--it even touches my neighborhood--a place
which was once safe and secure.

I can hardly see how this is not having an effect on this great
hobby--amateur radio is not an isolated island.

John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
The HF bands are, many times, international in scope. This story is
not
about the FCC, it is about international agreements.

What is said in the story is true; many 3rd world countries would love
80
meters as it would provide cheap communications (they don't have to
pay to
build all the infrastructure of a telephone system to cover their
country).
If the world community decides that 80/75 meters is to no longer be an
amateur allocations, the FCC will have nothing to say about it.

If you look at cell phones, you might get an idea of the extent of the
problem. In developed countries, cell phones have become big
business. In
the U.S., every teenager "needs" one. It takes a lot of cell phone
towers
to provide service, not to mention ever increasing needs of
frequencies.

I believe that when I was first licensed (in 1962) amateurs could use
any
frequency above 30 GHz. There was little gear that could function at
all at
that frequency and dx records could be measured in yards or a few
miles.
Nowadays, there are some amateur bands intermingled with other
segments
going up to 300 GHz, at which point amateurs can use anything above
300 GHz.
300 GHz in far infra-red light!

Somehow, communications devices are going to have to become more
efficient
at using available frequencies (amateurs included). Even assuming
they do
(and they have become more band-width friendly), there will be
pressure on
all users to use it (effectively) or loose it.

As to the FCC, they can easily reassign users at VHF and above as it
doesn't
carry world-wide. Those segments are also in jeopardy by big
business.
Note that the Supreme Court ruled that local governments can exercise
their
right to take property (with compensation to the owners) and sell it
to
someone else.

Big business and the Republicans rule.

Next time be careful of who you vote for.



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

I doubt it HF is all but useless to the FCC they want peiecs of VHF
etc
John Smith wrote:
I think anyone over-looking the bigger picture has to suspect that
HF
will, rather quickly, be taken from amateurs. The abundance of
techs is
being created to drop the percentage of hams using HF. At some
point I
suspect a "move" will be made on these all important HF bands and
they
will be removed from amateur service.

I suspect that techs account for about 50% of activity on the bands
now--when that reaches 66%, and certainly 75%, I think HF will be
pulled...

Here is Hollingsworth on his "vision(s)", some may interpret it
differently:

http://www.wr6wr.com/newSite/article...longbeach.html

John

Hello, John

You are correct - HF (and MF) amateur radio is not isolated. Signals cross
international boundaries. As to "sovereign nation, it sounds good and is,
except that what we are discussing crosses international boundaries. The
international agreements will have to happen - or would you prefer that
Radio Moscow rear it's head on a directional array running 5,000,000 watts
in the middle of our AM broadcast band?

VHF and above does not often stray far (although the stuff from 30 MHz to
perhaps a bit above 6 meters can and does at times, especially during the
peak of the sunspot cycle); therefore the FCC is very free to rearrange
things that don't affect satellite transmission/reception.

Heck, when you said "one world order", I thought you were going to mention
our friend, GW


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Jim:

Yes, you touch on globalization and "one world order" and/or "new order"
(hey, wasn't that a phrase invented by Adolph Hitler's klick?)

Seems like a little more thought on "sovereign nation" and just exactly
what that is might be to our best interest.

Also, seems with each passing day "they" are anxious to give us reasons
why we should lose respect for gov't and authority and, the effects of
this are rather frightening--it even touches my neighborhood--a place
which was once safe and secure.

I can hardly see how this is not having an effect on this great
hobby--amateur radio is not an isolated island.

John

Jim:

Well, go take of your french buddies, maybe you will want to appease the
muslims too...

John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Hello, John

You are correct - HF (and MF) amateur radio is not isolated. Signals
cross
international boundaries. As to "sovereign nation, it sounds good and
is,
except that what we are discussing crosses international boundaries.
The
international agreements will have to happen - or would you prefer
that
Radio Moscow rear it's head on a directional array running 5,000,000
watts
in the middle of our AM broadcast band?

VHF and above does not often stray far (although the stuff from 30 MHz
to
perhaps a bit above 6 meters can and does at times, especially during
the
peak of the sunspot cycle); therefore the FCC is very free to
rearrange
things that don't affect satellite transmission/reception.

Heck, when you said "one world order", I thought you were going to
mention
our friend, GW


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Jim:

Yes, you touch on globalization and "one world order" and/or "new
order"
(hey, wasn't that a phrase invented by Adolph Hitler's klick?)

Seems like a little more thought on "sovereign nation" and just
exactly
what that is might be to our best interest.

Also, seems with each passing day "they" are anxious to give us
reasons
why we should lose respect for gov't and authority and, the effects
of
this are rather frightening--it even touches my neighborhood--a place
which was once safe and secure.

I can hardly see how this is not having an effect on this great
hobby--amateur radio is not an isolated island.

John

John,

You must realize that I *love* the United States. It is because of that
love that I am very afraid of GW.

The attack on Afghanistan was fully justified, especially since they wanted
to protect Bin Laden.

The attack on Iraq seems more than a bit muddied. Now that one or two
generals mentioned what was needed and that things were not going as
expected, I'd expect heads to roll (their heads).

I have great faith and trust in our military. GW was not listening to his
military advisors as to what was needed in the first place, and I shan't
mention the missing weapons.

Many members of the military who have been in the military for a couple of
decades have experienced war. The high ranking officers likely have lead in
some of those ... um ... skirmishes? I suspect they have a far better idea
as to what it takes than someone who apparently found a way to avoid
military service almost entirely (except for, perhaps, a week). High
ranking military officials have input that is sorely needed in the White
House; unfortunately, they were ignored.

I have no desire to appease either the French or the Muslims. I do wish,
however, that I could go back to my grandfather's native Scotland if only to
visit.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA




"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Jim:

Well, go take of your french buddies, maybe you will want to appease the
muslims too...

John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Hello, John

You are correct - HF (and MF) amateur radio is not isolated. Signals
cross
international boundaries. As to "sovereign nation, it sounds good and
is,
except that what we are discussing crosses international boundaries.
The
international agreements will have to happen - or would you prefer
that
Radio Moscow rear it's head on a directional array running 5,000,000
watts
in the middle of our AM broadcast band?

VHF and above does not often stray far (although the stuff from 30 MHz
to
perhaps a bit above 6 meters can and does at times, especially during
the
peak of the sunspot cycle); therefore the FCC is very free to
rearrange
things that don't affect satellite transmission/reception.

Heck, when you said "one world order", I thought you were going to
mention
our friend, GW


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Jim:

Yes, you touch on globalization and "one world order" and/or "new
order"
(hey, wasn't that a phrase invented by Adolph Hitler's klick?)

Seems like a little more thought on "sovereign nation" and just
exactly
what that is might be to our best interest.

Also, seems with each passing day "they" are anxious to give us
reasons
why we should lose respect for gov't and authority and, the effects
of
this are rather frightening--it even touches my neighborhood--a place
which was once safe and secure.

I can hardly see how this is not having an effect on this great
hobby--amateur radio is not an isolated island.

John

Jim:

Yes, the bush is a bit of a worry...

Rummy said we will be in Iraq another 12 years--I expect they will have
just finished stealing their oil by then...

John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
John,

You must realize that I *love* the United States. It is because of
that
love that I am very afraid of GW.

The attack on Afghanistan was fully justified, especially since they
wanted
to protect Bin Laden.

The attack on Iraq seems more than a bit muddied. Now that one or two
generals mentioned what was needed and that things were not going as
expected, I'd expect heads to roll (their heads).

I have great faith and trust in our military. GW was not listening to
his
military advisors as to what was needed in the first place, and I
shan't
mention the missing weapons.

Many members of the military who have been in the military for a
couple of
decades have experienced war. The high ranking officers likely have
lead in
some of those ... um ... skirmishes? I suspect they have a far better
idea
as to what it takes than someone who apparently found a way to avoid
military service almost entirely (except for, perhaps, a week). High
ranking military officials have input that is sorely needed in the
White
House; unfortunately, they were ignored.

I have no desire to appease either the French or the Muslims. I do
wish,
however, that I could go back to my grandfather's native Scotland if
only to
visit.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA




"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Jim:

Well, go take of your french buddies, maybe you will want to appease
the
muslims too...

John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Hello, John

You are correct - HF (and MF) amateur radio is not isolated.
Signals
cross
international boundaries. As to "sovereign nation, it sounds good
and
is,
except that what we are discussing crosses international
boundaries.
The
international agreements will have to happen - or would you prefer
that
Radio Moscow rear it's head on a directional array running
5,000,000
watts
in the middle of our AM broadcast band?

VHF and above does not often stray far (although the stuff from 30
MHz
to
perhaps a bit above 6 meters can and does at times, especially
during
the
peak of the sunspot cycle); therefore the FCC is very free to
rearrange
things that don't affect satellite transmission/reception.

Heck, when you said "one world order", I thought you were going to
mention
our friend, GW


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Jim:

Yes, you touch on globalization and "one world order" and/or "new
order"
(hey, wasn't that a phrase invented by Adolph Hitler's klick?)

Seems like a little more thought on "sovereign nation" and just
exactly
what that is might be to our best interest.

Also, seems with each passing day "they" are anxious to give us
reasons
why we should lose respect for gov't and authority and, the
effects
of
this are rather frightening--it even touches my neighborhood--a
place
which was once safe and secure.

I can hardly see how this is not having an effect on this great
hobby--amateur radio is not an isolated island.

John