wrote in message
oups.com...


Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Ginger Raveir wrote:


Wake up and smell the coffee. Ham radio is and has been for many
years, a dead and dying hobby, where today old white men form the
core of the hobby.


Old white men also form the core of the U.S. Senate. Ya want the rest
of the list?

So now what . . . ?

. . . thought so . .

w3rv

I'm white and I'm a man. I'm hoping to be old some day.

I'll send you an application for admission to the Core as soon as you
qualify.

Dave K8MN

w3rv



You have just removed all doubt as to your idiocy.
Go back to whining and ****ing about K1MAN

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
link.net...
My neighbor just got a 7500 NAL to pay. He lives in a falling down
trailor and his wife works to support him.

Oh...he is a Freebander, or should I say...he was a Freebander.

And you call hams stupid?

Dan/W4NTI

"Freebander" wrote in message
news:iog26rbfbpcu5du.010720051029@kirk...
is it possible for a bunch of ancient/decrepit old men to get more
anemic, senile, ridiculous, loathsome or "dumbed down?"

amateurs take all the prizes when it come to stupidity

"Kim" wrote in message
m...
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...



Yes she did....then proceeded to show us how ignorant she was/is.

Proof positive of the dumbing down of Amateur Radio....IMHO.

Dan/W4NTI



And, you're proof positive of what alcohol can do to a 1/2 way decent
mind.

Kim W5TIT




A NAL from the FCC is not worth the paper it is printed
on. The FCC has no authority to collect.

From: Mike Coslo on Fri 1 Jul 2005 18:56

wrote:
From: "John Smith" on Fri 1 Jul 2005 12:25


Dee:

My "simple math" is actually just your "simple mind" and you cannot
tell the difference.


Dee is smart. But, her emotional LOVE of "CW" over-rides her
reasoning ability.

Not talking about CW.

peace out

Peace on you too, sweetums. I was posting to John Smith...and I
AM talking about "CW." Deal with it.

Now be a good little PCTA extra and go sulk in the corner...

From: "Dan/W4NTI"Dum****Dan_southern-fried_dip****@KKK_R_US on Fri 1
Jul 2005 22:35

There it is folks, a disgruntled CBer that couldn't learn the code and
failed his ham test.

So much for Lennie the loser.

(of course now he will deny he actually tried to take the test.....well at
least that is how he remembers it).

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Dannie thinks he is kicking stray dogs again...

I DID take THE test...with the FCC...in Chicago...at the beginning
of March, 1956. For a First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial)
Operator license. Passed. One sitting, interrupted only by a fire
drill in the Federal building that day.

NEVER took a ham test with the FCC, VEC, or FDA.

Took a couple of practice written tests on the Internet...passed
them, too. No problem. Rather low-level knowledge of radio,
mostly memorization of existing regulations.

Has Dannie ever taken any COLLEGE LEVEL ENGINEERING COURSES?
And the TESTS that go with those? I have. Passed them, too.

Actually, I've "passed" the most stringent TEST of all...using
and applying gained knowledge to insure a paycheck arrived
regularly from my employer (as an electronics design engineer...
and income derived for my partner-ship (which involved a base
and mobile radio requiring that FCC Radiotelephone license).
Passed those, too.

Just what DID Dannie Dip**** "pass" besides gas and a morse
code test? "Out" maybe?

Have a nice evening down at the VFW hall tonight. Try to avoid
that quadruplegic lest you get beat up again.

Temper fry.

From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Fri 1 Jul 2005 22:42

wrote in message

Oh, my, Dannie boy finished a whole six-pack of Billy Beer and
now is feeling very "brave." Time for him to garbage-mouth
some veterans...

Poor Lennie the loser is a real trip. Military comms and CB radio.

And military VLF as a civilian...and military and civilian radio
as a civilian...and civilian maritime radio as a civilian...and
civilian mobile radio NOT CB as a civilian...plus lots of
microwave radio things for the government and civil life as a
civilian...leaving out civilian broadcasting as a civilian.

Then compares it to ham radio.

Couldn't possibly do the mighty, noble, top-of-the-line, cutting-
edge manual morse that the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society does,
no sir!

Bottom line, the only thing they have in common
is the fact they operate on HF radio....period.

WRONGO, Mongo. VLF, LF, MF, HF, VHF, UHF, microwaves (assorted
bands) on up to 25 GHz.

Bottom line is he couldn't pass the CW test, and gave up.

You betcha, sweatbreath. WASTE OF TIME forty-six years ago.
Still a waste of time for me.

Still a waste of time for anyone who wants to enter the hobby
of amateur radio through FCC-regulated testing.

Now we get to
listen to him brag about shoving a broom around a transmitter site while a
lower ranked enlisted man. BIG DEAL.

Poor Dannie boy, drunk as a skunk and stinkier.

Dannie boy, you must stop ranking people according to YOUR
accomplishments.

"Lower ranked?" As an E-5, three up and one down, I was in the
lowest category of NCOs, true. Supervisor, not a broom pusher.

Speaking honestly, sweatbreath, I wouldn't put YOU in any QSY
or maintenance task back then in the early 1950s. The gear was
just too complex for someone who thinks the top-of-the-line in
radio is doing manual morse. Tsk.

Nobody did manual morse at ADA/RUAP back in the 1950s, Dannie.
TTY and RTTY. One had to read in order to put the right tapes
on the right machines. Reading would have been too difficult
for you. Tsk, tsk.

Let us know when you sober up...

From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Fri 1 Jul 2005 15:51


"Ginger Raveir" wrote in message
...

Wake up and smell the coffee. Ham radio is and has been for many
years, a dead and dying hobby, where today old white men form the
core of the hobby.

Thats it....bring in the "Ham Radio is a racist organization".

It isn't our fault more folks other than "white" dont join up. I have seen
no obstructions put up to keep them out. So who is at fault here?

You might look down at the big white sheet you are wearing.

You know the one I mean, the uniform of the Kode Klucks Klan.

Right.

OK, you understand. Now what are you going to DO about it?

At least get it washed first. THIS year. Yech.

Dee:

If one ever gets serious about using HF for video, and HS data
transmission, this:
http://www.thiecom.de/english/g313i/
is an excellent investment. The digital signal can be pulled directly
off the PCI bus in the computer and fed to software. This company
supplies the software framework for just about anything you can
imagine, if you know how to code or know someone who does--the sky is
the limit...

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dan:

Now I ask you, "What boob would use SSTV?"

A webcam on a computer, compressing and digitizing the video and
then converting to an audio signal and finally delivering it to a
transceiver, to be picked up and decoded at the other end and fed
to a soundcard/computer monitor produces a MUCH clearer sharper and
more fps... SSTV is for dinosaurs!!!

Wake up, it is already 2005!

John


If you want to transmit images on HF at this time only fax and SSTV
have a small enough band width to be practical.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Kim" wrote in message
m...
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code
a better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Hi Mike:

I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never
really
wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV,
anything
digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital),
ATV, etc. I
think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this
newsgroup,
except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who
just don't
wander into other means of communication--including Morse
Code--are pretty
much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the
mode (as I do
anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to
honor the
tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other
steadfast things
in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than
the "idiots"
on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political
terms :o).

For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much,
and I
learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with.
So, could
you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code
Haters." I don't
think most of us feel that strongly about it.

Kim W5TIT



I'm sorry.....knowing full well she has me deep sixed, I just
have to comment.....

What the heck is SCTV? Is that a TV show? Or maybe she means
Slow Scan TV?? SSTV.......Hmmmmm.

Then...."APRS if that can be considered digital".

Amazing.....and she has a license?

Amazing.

Dan/W4NTI

From: John Smith on Jul 2, 1:24 am

Dee:

If one ever gets serious about using HF for video, and HS data
transmission, this:
http://www.thiecom.de/english/?g313i/
is an excellent investment. The digital signal can be pulled directly
off the PCI bus in the computer and fed to software. This company
supplies the software framework for just about anything you can
imagine, if you know how to code or know someone who does--the sky is
the limit...

John, lots of us know of data compression and maybe a few
radio amateurs will acknowledge the elegant work of Claude
Elwood Shannon back in 1947. But, that is really NOT the
issue in here. Status quondam is the issue.

Even worse, it is the stubborn, hidebound, refusal to break
out of the antiquated standards and practices of pre-WW2
times to meld with the rest of the world of modern times.

The only "code" allowed by these dino-denizens of the past
is MORSE code. Anything else, such as (horrors) "source code"
is nothing but a bunch of NOPs with an occasional HCF. Those
that have bought into it and passed the morse test will do
more flaunting of their morsemanship than a convention of
actors in Hollywood bragging of their credits. [they have
no Variety]

Using "examples" of half-GigaByte files "expected to be sent
over little teeny narrowbanded enclaves of spectrum is itself
an example of their non-thinking, non-research, non-educated
attempts to stall any sort of progress. They can't do the
numbers (despite flaunting of non-amateur titles), won't
bother with looking up things, everything-is-just-fine-as-
when-they-first-joined-long-ago-thankyouverymuch.

Case in point: DRM (Digital Radio Mondial). Digitized audio
on HF, now being transmitted (over two dozen programs now
listed), capable of overcoming the selective fading common
to the "wow" heard so many times on analog BC, tested for over
four years on HF. High-quality audio fitting within a 12 KHz
bandwidth, an occupancy no greater than present-day audio on
broadcast. DRM may not be the technical best, but it IS a
WORKING system. It works on LF, MF, HF, VHF. By test.

A few years ago in here a bunch of narrowband, narrowthinker
olde-fahrts exclaimed and exclaimed that "it won't work!"
That was during the successful testing phase of DRM. The
same group also decried GMDSS as "unworkable!" even though
the maritime community had already researched and tested it
and approved it worldwide. Morse code on 500 KHz MUST continue
they said, ignoring what the SOLAS folks had already determined.

The general idea of DRM, scaled for 2.5 KHz voice-only audio
bandwidths is eminently possible on HF. Effects of selective
fading on HF will be less than the wider bandwidth of broadcast
audio. Further, since it already IS in digital form, it is
applicable to direct-sequence spreading and the ability to put
many signals on a given band without any mutual interference.
The narrowband, narrowthink amateurs will have none of that.
They will yank out the "12 KHz bandwidth" of DRM and shout it
is way too broad for amateur use...while they totally ignore
the scaling that can (and sometimes is) done for narrower band
audio.

The narrowband, narrowthink status quo-ists will demand "already-
done, tested, approved, on-the-market" products to "demonstrate"
that it will work. [they have in the past in here] :-) In
other words, "don't bother me until I see the ads in QST" kind
of mentality which seems to have become standard on the USA
amateur scene. The narrowband, narrowthink hams are content
with their narrow slices of spectrum, the bands appropriately
sliced up into "bandplan" segments like separator boards in a
sandbox. They have achieved Titles in their federal authority
and haughtily parade that to play in the "nicer" parts of the
sandbox.

Analog-ONLY is the cry of the narrowband narrowthink group.
Keep it SIMPLE so that the most theory they need is just
Ohm's Law of Resistance. The have resistance to anything more
complex. Stay with the gamesmanship, enter the contests for
"radiosport" and win nice certificates (suitable for framing).
Forget the exploring of the new, trying out something different.
Too HARD to think. Follow preset rules and fill in the blanks.
Big Brother in the NE will protect them. Offshore designers
and makers will provide they radio toys, all their bells and
whistles. :-(

"Shannon's Law?" Ain't in Part 97. Fergit it...