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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"KØHB" wrote in message
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Ye gawds Hans, no 115vac until you were 8-9 years old??! That would
have been in the 1958-59 timeframe and REA had just gotten to your
neighborhood then?? WTF . . ?!! Or were you in Guatemala??

We got REA in the summer of 1954 when I was 14 years old. Running water
too. (I was 8 or 9 when I learned Morse.)

73, de Hans, K0HB


There were a lot of rural areas like that. I lived on a farm in Iowa
from the age of 6 months to 10 years old and there was no electricity or
running water there. It was kerosene lamps and carry water from the
pump. There were electrical lines in the area, just not to our farm. And
from the numbers above, I see that I am about 10 years younger than Hans.

Hey Hans, looks like there's a bunch of city slickers in here!

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Been following this thread with increased interest....just have to throw
in my two cents worth.

Years ago.,..must have been in the mid to late 50s I would spend time with
my Aunt Kay and Uncle Frank. They lived in the old original family home
in Leetonia Ohio. No indoor plumbing, no heat, a shed for the Model T
that still ran, and a special place with the Sears catalog.

Winters were the most interesting...with the feather beds and pillows and
quilts so thick it would bury my little body so deep I looked like I was
part of the bed.

Frozen bed pans, contemplation of the ''quick'' run to the Sears catalog
shed in the middle of the night. Brrrrrrrrrrrr......

And yes I had to walk to school ....but it was only a mile or so.

Dan/W4NTI

Well I did get to ride a bus (except when roads were really bad) but had
that same "quick run" decision to make in the middle of the (cold) winter
nights.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"KØHB" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote

and a special place with the Sears catalog.

Those shiny pages were hell! Always loved it when mom bought a couple
lugs of peaches for canning. Those tissue-like wrappings were a wonder to
use. Always thought that in heaven all the outhouses must be equipped
with peach wrappers year-round, even when peaches were out of season.
(Maybe peaches are always "in season" in heaven?)

Winters were the most interesting...with the feather beds and pillows and
quilts so thick it would bury my little body so deep I looked like I was
part of the bed.

My wife is a city girl. After we were married we spent some time (in
February) visiting the folks on the farm. First morning it was a wonder
to see her hurrying to get dressed before parts were frozen. Then I asked
her to toss me my shirt and trousers and I demonstrated how to get fully
dressed BEFORE crawling out from under the quilt!

73, de Hans, K0HB

Yup the only way to get dressed in the old farm house.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"John Smith" wrote in message
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Dan:

Now I ask you, "What boob would use SSTV?"

A webcam on a computer, compressing and digitizing the video and then
converting to an audio signal and finally delivering it to a transceiver,
to be picked up and decoded at the other end and fed to a
soundcard/computer monitor produces a MUCH clearer sharper and more fps...
SSTV is for dinosaurs!!!

Wake up, it is already 2005!

John


If you want to transmit images on HF at this time only fax and SSTV have a
small enough band width to be practical.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


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"Kim" wrote in message
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"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a
better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Hi Mike:

I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never really
wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV, anything
digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV, etc.
I
think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this newsgroup,
except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just
don't
wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are
pretty
much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode (as
I do
anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor the
tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast
things
in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the
"idiots"
on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms
:o).

For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and I
learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So,
could
you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters." I
don't
think most of us feel that strongly about it.

Kim W5TIT



I'm sorry.....knowing full well she has me deep sixed, I just have to
comment.....

What the heck is SCTV? Is that a TV show? Or maybe she means Slow Scan
TV?? SSTV.......Hmmmmm.

Then...."APRS if that can be considered digital".

Amazing.....and she has a license?

Amazing.

Dan/W4NTI

From: "K0HB" on Thurs 30 Jun 2005 17:39


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Ye gawds Hans, no 115vac until you were 8-9 years old??! That would
have been in the 1958-59 timeframe and REA had just gotten to your
neighborhood then?? WTF . . ?!! Or were you in Guatemala??

We got REA in the summer of 1954 when I was 14 years old. Running water too.
(I was 8 or 9 when I learned Morse.)

73, de Hans, K0HB

Oh, my, a numbers coincidence.

Gee whiz, in late summer of 1954, Army station ADA started moving
to its new site NW of Tokyo. Former airfield about one by two
miles in size. Running water and everything but the 600 KWe
generators (two always running, two spares) supplied the electric
power. Barracks, mess, etc., in a converted hangar at one corner
of the field. Surrounded by farmers.

Five years later I thought it might be neat to get a ham license
in addition to the Commercial First 'Phone of 1956. Got up to
8 or 9 WPM and wondered what the hell I was wasting all that time
for? Class D CB had arrived in 1958. I was living in the (then)
third-largest city in the USA with plenty of folks to talk to
out of my '53 Austin-Healey sports car.

I'd never "worked CW" (on-off keying radiotelegraphy) in the Big
Leagues of HF communications...and would never be required to do
that again. Why mess with then OLD requirements just to please a
bunch of olde-fahrt radiotelegraphers playing with their hobby
and very much controlling the ARRL?

I'm still living in a big urban area, now the second-largest city
in the USA, have done computer-modem communications for 21 years
(come December), the Internet has been public for 14 years, and
we've got personal cell phones on 1 GHz that fit in a pocket and
have text and image capabilities. Both my PC and my wife's each
have MORE computing power and memory storage than the largest
mainframes of a quarter century ago. The Internet reaches around
the world with NO fading/distortion/outages from the ionosphere.

All these AMATEUR radio whizzers say I "MUST" learn morse code
to pass that (Nobel laureate level?) TEST in order to "show
dedication and committment to the 'amateur community.'" :-)

insert the sound of Bill the Cat making pbthththth sounds

Gotta love these olde-fahrts longing for the "pioneer days of
radio" (when Kode was King) that they will NEVER ever be a
part of... :-)

wrote

We got REA in the summer of 1954 when I was 14 years old. Running water too.
(I was 8 or 9 when I learned Morse.)

73, de Hans, K0HB

Oh, my, a numbers coincidence.

Gee whiz, in late summer of 1954, Army station ADA started moving
to its new site NW of Tokyo.

At 14 years old I didn't much give a rats ass about the fact that an Army radio
station was moving to a different spot in Japan. (Come think of it, I still
don't give a rats ass.) I was much more excited about getting electric lights
in our farm buildings and home.

dit dit
de Hans, K0HB

Dee wrote, "... only fax and SSTV have a small enough band width to be
practical."

That is not only a ridiculous statement, it is preposterous and shows
a total lack of knowledge of the state of data compaction.

However, it proves you are not aware of what is technically possible
and therefore are in a poor position to advise or inform others and,
the sorry state of amateurs technical savvy in general!

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote in message
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Dan:

Now I ask you, "What boob would use SSTV?"

A webcam on a computer, compressing and digitizing the video and
then converting to an audio signal and finally delivering it to a
transceiver, to be picked up and decoded at the other end and fed
to a soundcard/computer monitor produces a MUCH clearer sharper and
more fps... SSTV is for dinosaurs!!!

Wake up, it is already 2005!

John


If you want to transmit images on HF at this time only fax and SSTV
have a small enough band width to be practical.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
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"Kim" wrote in message
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"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code
a better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Hi Mike:

I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never
really
wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV,
anything
digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital),
ATV, etc. I
think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this
newsgroup,
except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who
just don't
wander into other means of communication--including Morse
Code--are pretty
much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the
mode (as I do
anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to
honor the
tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other
steadfast things
in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than
the "idiots"
on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political
terms :o).

For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much,
and I
learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with.
So, could
you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code
Haters." I don't
think most of us feel that strongly about it.

Kim W5TIT



I'm sorry.....knowing full well she has me deep sixed, I just
have to comment.....

What the heck is SCTV? Is that a TV show? Or maybe she means
Slow Scan TV?? SSTV.......Hmmmmm.

Then...."APRS if that can be considered digital".

Amazing.....and she has a license?

Amazing.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
There are other ways to copy CW other than audio. And I am not talking
about a computer. Lights are one, vibration is another.

Yup, but what a job! I'm not sure of the speeds that people who copy
this way can achieve. Others may know a bit more about that.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:


"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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an_old_friend wrote:


Michael Coslo wrote:



What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.


YMMV

I do not face that choice at all Itried for years to learn

Was there a specific problem? I had a lot of trouble with Tinnitus, and
getting hung up on one letter, and letting the rest of the message go by
("flying behind the plane")

- Mike KB3EIA -


As I have mentioned before, my ex had a 70% hearing loss in each ear and
tinnitus in both ears. Yet he passed the code. He just cranked the
volume up and used headphones. If he can do it, anyone can.

I won't deny it can be done - obviously, since my problems are similar. I
doubt I'll ever be proficient at Morse though. To get an idea of what it
is like for me, imagine concentrating as hard as you can on something. Can
I do it? Sure. But not for extended periods.

Certainly turning up the headphones helps, but the levels I use are
fatiguing, and they sometimes annoy the other ops.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
This dolt is not only anti cw, but he is anti Amateur Radio.

Bingo!

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"KØHB" wrote in message
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"Radio Hero" wrote

Hans used to walk eight miles to school in bare feet...


Actually only about 3/4-mile. Wildwood School, District 28, one room
grades 1-8, but rarely kids in every grade, average enrollment about 10
kids. Teacher was Mrs. Isabelle Schneider. At 9th grade you went to
"town school" on a yellow bus. During blizzards the bus didn't take you
home, so you stayed at your "storm home" --- all the farm kids were
assigned one of those.

73, de Hans, K0HB


"Storm homes" sounds like a good idea. In our area, they just cancelled
the buses and the farmers came into town on their tractors pulling wagons
to get the kids home.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Did the farmers display "ARRL Member" stickers on their wagons?

"KØHB" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote

and a special place with the Sears catalog.

Those shiny pages were hell! Always loved it when mom bought a couple
lugs of peaches for canning. Those tissue-like wrappings were a wonder to
use. Always thought that in heaven all the outhouses must be equipped
with peach wrappers year-round, even when peaches were out of season.
(Maybe peaches are always "in season" in heaven?)

Winters were the most interesting...with the feather beds and pillows and
quilts so thick it would bury my little body so deep I looked like I was
part of the bed.

My wife is a city girl. After we were married we spent some time (in
February) visiting the folks on the farm. First morning it was a wonder
to see her hurrying to get dressed before parts were frozen. Then I asked
her to toss me my shirt and trousers and I demonstrated how to get fully
dressed BEFORE crawling out from under the quilt!

73, de Hans, K0HB



QST magazines serve as excellent toilet paper, which is about the
best use for anything from the ARRL.