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From: K4YZ on Jul 8, 11:01 am

b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:

Massive snip of usual Brain P Burke deceptions and lies...his kids
will have enough to deal with when they get older...

Marty McFly flies again in Back To Futureworld!

There's a frequency, I think 5.170 off the top of my head, that all
amateurs in Alaska are allowed to use for emergencies. Includes
Technicians. Oooops. Violates the defunct treaty.

Several points:

(1) The exact frequency is 5167.5KHz...or 5.1675MHz if you
prefer) ...

The FCC does not "prefer," it MANDATES in Part 97.401 (c) !!!

5.1675 MHz, J3E or R3E modulation, RF power out 150 W maximum.

Source: ARRL's own text on the latest version of Part 97!

I can handle either. Would you like to attempt a hertz conversion?

I've got a pretty good memory (and can remember most of your lies)

Then you've got a lot of unused storage space available.

You've not yet substantiated a single one of your "lie" accusations.

Tsk, tsk. Again with the LIE! LIE! LIE! :-)

it was previously posted in Part 97 as 5.170 MHz.

Not in recent history...recent being back into the 80's when I
first remember seeing it.

Tsk, tsk, the CURRENT issue of Part 97 on the ARRL website is
a gasp! "LIE?" :-)

The regs have been rewritten to allow for people who don't understand
the bandwidth of an J3E or R3E emission. Congratulations. You
qualify.

Don't believe me? Ask amateur historian Jim.

[...that's "renowned" amateur historian...]

No, I don't believe you. You're a chronic liar.

And what you don't lie about, you manage to get wrong as a
consequence of inadequate experience or research.

Poor baby...mad as hell and can't take it anymore!

EVERYBODY ELSE *LIES* *LIES* *LIES* ! ! ! :-)

Either way, a "bet" on information provided by you would be money
lost.

Guess that's why the ARRL BoD doesn't meet much in Las Vegas, NV,
huh? :-)

Yawn...

K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:

Why?

Because it is a NoCode band and logicaly should not require a code test
to use it if code is forbidden

(A) It's not a "band". It's five discreet channels.

Why is it called 60 Meters? is 60 meters a discrete frequency?

(B) The mode restriction is due to other adjacent channel users
that we must dovetail with...Not due to any altruistic debate over
Morse Code use or testing.

Wrong answer. A CW signal would dovetail nicely given the allocated
bandwidth. So why not CW?

The 5Mhz channels still fall below 30Mhz.

So what?

Is it a newsflash to you that S25.2 has changed?

There is NO LEGAL magic at 30Mhz there was but no more

Sure there is.

YOU need to read how it's worded.

The international treat gives individual administrations the
OPTION of requiring code testing.

Gotta love those International "Treats." Better than smores.

The FCC's reply to the question was that S25.2 required it.
The PCTA's answer to the question was that S25.2 required it.

Guess what...?!?!

The United States is in compliance with the treaty.

Arbitrary licensing requirements are still a problem.

The treaty no longer requires such arbitrary licensing requirements.

More Robeson Wrongness snipped.

K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

b.b. wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

Hmm Brain responding to a post i haven't seen yet

Ya gotta love seeing Markie responding to Burke's posts calling
him "Brain"...

Only Robber's Son would enjoy making fun of a disabled person's
disability.

He's not disabled.

He's lazy.

You're crazy.

There's a frequency, I think 5.170 off the top of my head, that all
amateurs in Alaska are allowed to use for emergencies. Includes
Technicians. Oooops. Violates the defunct treaty.

Several points:

(1) The exact frequency is 5167.5KHz...or 5.1675MHz if you
prefer) ...

I can handle either. Would you like to attempt a hertz conversion?

I've got a pretty good memory (and can remember most of your lies)

Then you've got a lot of unused storage space available.

Everyone does. It's said that we use only 10% of our brain.

You use less than 10% emotional maturity.

K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. (Brian P Burke, N0IMD) wrote:

an_old_friend (Mark C Morgan, KB9RQZ) wrote:

Hmm Brain responding to a post i haven't seen yet

Ya gotta love seeing Markie responding to Burke's posts calling
him "Brain"...

he doesn't mind

Sure he does.

BB say he oesn't

BTW nobody gotta love Stevie just because you say so

And where did I say so, Markie?

never said you said it

you hacked up the post enough so that I not sure but I think BB said
you gotta love Stevie

I disagreed

I do disagree with more folks that just yourself Stevie

The FCC could of course have allowed it to techs and frankly they
should have

Why?

Because it is a NoCode band and logicaly should not require a code test
to use it if code is forbidden

(A) It's not a "band". It's five discreet channels.

so?

(B) The mode restriction is due to other adjacent channel users
that we must dovetail with...Not due to any altruistic debate over
Morse Code use or testing.

and I am as cappable as they are or you are of using USB on the bands
or channels or whatever you care to call em

since Morse Code is forbidden there there is NO logical reason that
Morse Code test should be required in order to operate there, or at
worst a tech liecnsee with CSSE for the general writen test, should be
able to operate there

The 5Mhz channels still fall below 30Mhz.

So what?

Is it a newsflash to you that S25.2 has changed?

There is NO LEGAL magic at 30Mhz there was but no more

Sure there is.

Nope

YOU need to read how it's worded.

The international treat gives individual administrations the
OPTION of requiring code testing.

yes I know that

but given the only legal barriar to assgining freqs was the treaty the
FCC was free to assign them to tech's

If they can do that then there is NO legal magic

Indeed as BB has pointed out Techs are allowed to operate below 30mhz
NOW which you claim is illegal

You go read the rules before you lecture others

Guess what...?!?!

The United States is in compliance with the treaty.

Never said otherwise

There's a frequency, I think 5.170 off the top of my head, that all
amateurs in Alaska are allowed to use for emergencies. Includes
Technicians. Oooops. Violates the defunct treaty.

Several points:

(1) The exact frequency is 5167.5KHz...or 5.1675MHz if you
prefer) ...However it's restricted to stations (ALL FCC licensed
stations...) in or within 50 miles of the State of Alaska, and is
strictly for Emergency use only. One discreet channel. And it's not
an "Amateur" channel. Amateurs are allowed on this frequency as an
accomodation to safety. A real stretch to cite it as a "violation" of
any treaty.

(2) The treaty you refer to is NOT "defunct". It is still very
much in force. It HAS been ammended, however present United States
rules and regulations as they pertain to the treaty are in compliance
with said treaty.

so he should have defunct provision

What? Huh?

defunct provision

grow up

I have. And someday you will too. But not today, apparently.

nope you haven't

the United States STILL requires that an Amateur licensee to
have passed Element 1 to operate below 30Mhz.

No it does not

Yes, it does.

nope

Oh?

nope

Markie...You're either disagreeing for arguments sake, or you are
again demonstrating your absolute ignorance of United States policy as
it pertains to the Amateur Radio service.

niether of course I am disagreeing with YOUR despection of the LAWS of
the US

Or just lying again.

nope

it requires them to be tested on bands assigned to the
general and extra bands

Uh huh....Which are...?!?!

well known to you. till they are avalable to me I'll not bother to
learn

So...Got slapped around and now you gonna schlep away with your
tail between your legs!

Nursie learn anatomy

I don't know or care except in general terms what HF bands exist at
present those rules will likely change before i make any use of them

BBBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
! ! ! ! ! !

crybaby

BELOW 30MHZ ! ! ! ! !

So what

So you're patently wrong again.

No I am not

QUICK, MARKIE! REVIEW TIME!

What are the four exceptions that allow a "Technician" to act as
control operator of an Amateur Radio station below 30MHz...?!?!?

none that apply to me

Absolutely correct.

and what I think you are referring isbad decision of the FCCto end
thech vs thech plus license

They only eneded their admistrative tracking of it. The license,
in practice, still exisits.

That is one way of looking at it.

BTW do you agree or disagree that whatever you said they did was a
mistake?

hopefully that mistake will be fixed

The FCC has clarly demonstrated that they are all about "less"
regulation and administrative burden...not more.

Then of course FCC should (from it's own point of view) go a one
license soloutaion
which would fix what I call a mistake

as would (as I understand the ARRL's proposal) the ARRL would fix this
by making all tech inclduing myself General License holder.

Thus I have hopes that this mistake will be fixed in some fashion

And WHAT common thread do each of those exceptions have in common
with the present Novice, General, Advanced and Extra class licensees?

so?

"so?" was the wrong answer. You lose.

no it wasn't but you don't know that

Now on to turth

Turth? Is that near Intercourse, Pennsylvania?

Nothing prevents the FCC from allowing hambands anywhere in the
spectrum and assigning them to Tech class, and allowing techs without
code tests to use them

NOTHING but tradition perhaps

And nothing but it's current policy that takes advantage of treaty
language that gives administrations the priviledge of determining their
own course.

Current Policy? You have reason to believe that S25.2 will be put back
into something like it older form

The treaty is LAW a part of the hisest law of the Land in the US (to
forgeiners well YMMV)

I DO agree that the FCC COULD have immediately enacted interim
"policy" that could have allowed licensees who pass the higher class
WRITTEN exams to exercise those privileges without the benefit of
passing Element 1 until it had been "officially" dealt with.

But they didn't, so it's still here. Oh well.

which misses the point of course

60m was a new (to us band or set of reqs or whatever) in setting the
rules they could have assigned to the tech class if they choose

Techs can use Morse Code on VHF and above. I knew one who did
Quitefine at it.

Techs can use Morse Code on HF, too. But hey, I thought YOU
insisted that SOMEone has chased all the Techs away...?!?!

indeed he has you chase them away not all stay away

I haven't chased anyone away, Markie. My VHF log has many, many
NCT's on 6 and 2M SSB.

liar you chssed me of for awhile

Another QuiteWrongLie it seems.

nope

Yep.

nope

Steve, K4YZ

an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. (Brian P Burke, N0IMD) wrote:

an_old_friend (Mark C Morgan, KB9RQZ) wrote:

Hmm Brain responding to a post i haven't seen yet

Ya gotta love seeing Markie responding to Burke's posts calling
him "Brain"...

he doesn't mind

Sure he does.

BB say he oesn't

The very, very small mind of Robeson thinks it's a baaad thing to call
me. He lies awake at night thinking of names to call people.

BTW nobody gotta love Stevie just because you say so

And where did I say so, Markie?

never said you said it

you hacked up the post enough so that I not sure but I think BB said
you gotta love Stevie

I disagreed

I do disagree with more folks that just yourself Stevie

The prozac people gotta love Steve.

The FCC could of course have allowed it to techs and frankly they
should have

Why?

Because it is a NoCode band and logicaly should not require a code test
to use it if code is forbidden

(A) It's not a "band". It's five discreet channels.

so?

Mark's logic is perfect. Steve's reply is not applicable.

(B) The mode restriction is due to other adjacent channel users
that we must dovetail with...Not due to any altruistic debate over
Morse Code use or testing.

and I am as cappable as they are or you are of using USB on the bands
or channels or whatever you care to call em

since Morse Code is forbidden there there is NO logical reason that
Morse Code test should be required in order to operate there, or at
worst a tech liecnsee with CSSE for the general writen test, should be
able to operate there

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!!!

The 5Mhz channels still fall below 30Mhz.

So what?

Is it a newsflash to you that S25.2 has changed?

There is NO LEGAL magic at 30Mhz there was but no more

Sure there is.

Nope

It's all PFM for the followers of St. Hiram.

YOU need to read how it's worded.

The international treat gives individual administrations the
OPTION of requiring code testing.

yes I know that

but given the only legal barriar to assgining freqs was the treaty the
FCC was free to assign them to tech's

If they can do that then there is NO legal magic

Indeed as BB has pointed out Techs are allowed to operate below 30mhz
NOW which you claim is illegal

You go read the rules before you lecture others

Hmmm? I don't think so. Tech's with a 5WPM Farnsworth CSCE can.

Guess what...?!?!

The United States is in compliance with the treaty.

Never said otherwise

I didn't see you say otherwise either.

There's a frequency, I think 5.170 off the top of my head, that all
amateurs in Alaska are allowed to use for emergencies. Includes
Technicians. Oooops. Violates the defunct treaty.

Several points:

(1) The exact frequency is 5167.5KHz...or 5.1675MHz if you
prefer) ...However it's restricted to stations (ALL FCC licensed
stations...) in or within 50 miles of the State of Alaska, and is
strictly for Emergency use only. One discreet channel. And it's not
an "Amateur" channel. Amateurs are allowed on this frequency as an
accomodation to safety. A real stretch to cite it as a "violation" of
any treaty.

(2) The treaty you refer to is NOT "defunct". It is still very
much in force. It HAS been ammended, however present United States
rules and regulations as they pertain to the treaty are in compliance
with said treaty.

so he should have defunct provision

What? Huh?

defunct provision

grow up

I have. And someday you will too. But not today, apparently.

nope you haven't

He's the Dick Clark of Amateur Radio. The USA's most immature Extra.

b.b. wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

BB say he oesn't

The very, very small mind of Robeson thinks it's a baaad thing to call
me. He lies awake at night thinking of names to call people.

Nope. You just fit a mold, Brain.

you hacked up the post enough so that I not sure but I think BB said
you gotta love Stevie

I disagreed

I do disagree with more folks that just yourself Stevie

The prozac people gotta love Steve.

Why?

The FCC could of course have allowed it to techs and frankly they
should have

Why?

Because it is a NoCode band and logicaly should not require a code test
to use it if code is forbidden

(A) It's not a "band". It's five discreet channels.

so?

Mark's logic is perfect. Steve's reply is not applicable.

No his isn't and yer mine is.

(B) The mode restriction is due to other adjacent channel users
that we must dovetail with...Not due to any altruistic debate over
Morse Code use or testing.

and I am as cappable as they are or you are of using USB on the bands
or channels or whatever you care to call em

since Morse Code is forbidden there there is NO logical reason that
Morse Code test should be required in order to operate there, or at
worst a tech liecnsee with CSSE for the general writen test, should be
able to operate there

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!!!

Not until the FCC says otehrwise, Brain.

The 5Mhz channels still fall below 30Mhz.

So what?

Is it a newsflash to you that S25.2 has changed?

There is NO LEGAL magic at 30Mhz there was but no more

Sure there is.

Nope

It's all PFM for the followers of St. Hiram.

I follow the FCC, and they say it requires an Amateur license to
operate on those "channels". Those channels fall below 30Mhz. The
present ITU document that facilitates international amateur radio
regulations permits individual administrations to test for Morse Code
competency for access to HF.

The United States still requires Morse Code testing for access to
HF.

YOU need to read how it's worded.

The international treat gives individual administrations the

yes I know that

Obviously not.

You've made statements that indicate you don't understand.

but given the only legal barriar to assgining freqs was the treaty the
FCC was free to assign them to tech's

If they can do that then there is NO legal magic

Indeed as BB has pointed out Techs are allowed to operate below 30mhz
NOW which you claim is illegal

There you go lying again.

I very specifically delineated under what circumstances "Techs"
may operate on HF.

You go read the rules before you lecture others

I have.

You're the one with the comprehension deficit.

Hmmm? I don't think so. Tech's with a 5WPM Farnsworth CSCE can.

There's no "Farnsworth CSCE" in existance, Brain.

Guess what...?!?!

The United States is in compliance with the treaty.

Never said otherwise

I didn't see you say otherwise either.

Sure he did.

When he said that there was no longer a treaty that permitted code
testing.

He was wrong.

There's a frequency, I think 5.170 off the top of my head, that all
amateurs in Alaska are allowed to use for emergencies. Includes
Technicians. Oooops. Violates the defunct treaty.

Several points:

(1) The exact frequency is 5167.5KHz...or 5.1675MHz if you
prefer) ...However it's restricted to stations (ALL FCC licensed
stations...) in or within 50 miles of the State of Alaska, and is
strictly for Emergency use only. One discreet channel. And it's not
an "Amateur" channel. Amateurs are allowed on this frequency as an
accomodation to safety. A real stretch to cite it as a "violation" of
any treaty.

(2) The treaty you refer to is NOT "defunct". It is still very
much in force. It HAS been ammended, however present United States
rules and regulations as they pertain to the treaty are in compliance
with said treaty.

so he should have defunct provision

What? Huh?

defunct provision

grow up

I have. And someday you will too. But not today, apparently.

nope you haven't

He's the Dick Clark of Amateur Radio. The USA's most immature Extra.

Nope....we'll hold that "honor" for you, Brain.

Brain and Markie on the same "team"...A gene pool that still
doesn't come up to a 2 digit number...

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

BB say he oesn't

The very, very small mind of Robeson thinks it's a baaad thing to call
me. He lies awake at night thinking of names to call people.

Nope. You just fit a mold, Brain.

...

you hacked up the post enough so that I not sure but I think BB said
you gotta love Stevie

I disagreed

I do disagree with more folks that just yourself Stevie

The prozac people gotta love Steve.

Why?

Sales.

The FCC could of course have allowed it to techs and frankly they
should have

Why?

Because it is a NoCode band and logicaly should not require a code test
to use it if code is forbidden

(A) It's not a "band". It's five discreet channels.

so?

Mark's logic is perfect. Steve's reply is not applicable.

No his isn't and yer mine is.

Hi!

(B) The mode restriction is due to other adjacent channel users
that we must dovetail with...Not due to any altruistic debate over
Morse Code use or testing.

and I am as cappable as they are or you are of using USB on the bands
or channels or whatever you care to call em

since Morse Code is forbidden there there is NO logical reason that
Morse Code test should be required in order to operate there, or at
worst a tech liecnsee with CSSE for the general writen test, should be
able to operate there

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!!!

Not until the FCC says otehrwise, Brain.

The FCC has failed so many logic tests already.

The 5Mhz channels still fall below 30Mhz.

So what?

Is it a newsflash to you that S25.2 has changed?

There is NO LEGAL magic at 30Mhz there was but no more

Sure there is.

Nope

It's all PFM for the followers of St. Hiram.

I follow the FCC, and they say it requires an Amateur license to
operate on those "channels". Those channels fall below 30Mhz. The
present ITU document that facilitates international amateur radio
regulations permits individual administrations to test for Morse Code
competency for access to HF.

The United States still requires Morse Code testing for access to
HF.

For now. And it doesn't have to make sense or be consistent with other
regulations. That's why it is arbitrary.

YOU need to read how it's worded.

The international treat gives individual administrations the

yes I know that

Obviously not.

You've made statements that indicate you don't understand.

but given the only legal barriar to assgining freqs was the treaty the
FCC was free to assign them to tech's

If they can do that then there is NO legal magic

Indeed as BB has pointed out Techs are allowed to operate below 30mhz
NOW which you claim is illegal

There you go lying again.

I very specifically delineated under what circumstances "Techs"
may operate on HF.

You go read the rules before you lecture others

I have.

You're the one with the comprehension deficit.

Hmmm? I don't think so. Tech's with a 5WPM Farnsworth CSCE can.

There's no "Farnsworth CSCE" in existance, Brain.

Hi! Tell it to the ARRL VEC.

Guess what...?!?!

The United States is in compliance with the treaty.

Never said otherwise

I didn't see you say otherwise either.

Sure he did.

When he said that there was no longer a treaty that permitted code
testing.

He was wrong.

There's a frequency, I think 5.170 off the top of my head, that all
amateurs in Alaska are allowed to use for emergencies. Includes
Technicians. Oooops. Violates the defunct treaty.

Several points:

(1) The exact frequency is 5167.5KHz...or 5.1675MHz if you
prefer) ...However it's restricted to stations (ALL FCC licensed
stations...) in or within 50 miles of the State of Alaska, and is
strictly for Emergency use only. One discreet channel. And it's not
an "Amateur" channel. Amateurs are allowed on this frequency as an
accomodation to safety. A real stretch to cite it as a "violation" of
any treaty.

(2) The treaty you refer to is NOT "defunct". It is still very
much in force. It HAS been ammended, however present United States
rules and regulations as they pertain to the treaty are in compliance
with said treaty.

so he should have defunct provision

What? Huh?

defunct provision

grow up

I have. And someday you will too. But not today, apparently.

nope you haven't

He's the Dick Clark of Amateur Radio. The USA's most immature Extra.

Nope....we'll hold that "honor" for you, Brain.

I'm no Extra.

Brain and Markie on the same "team"...A gene pool that still
doesn't come up to a 2 digit number...

Steve, K4YZ

Steve and Bruce on the same team.

b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The prozac people gotta love Steve.

Why?

Sales.

Why?

since Morse Code is forbidden there there is NO logical reason that
Morse Code test should be required in order to operate there, or at
worst a tech liecnsee with CSSE for the general writen test, should be
able to operate there

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!!!

Not until the FCC says otehrwise, Brain.

The FCC has failed so many logic tests already.

So have you.

Like why does a married Veteran with small children lie repeatedly
and prolifically in a public forum...?!?!

The United States still requires Morse Code testing for access to
HF.

For now. And it doesn't have to make sense or be consistent with other
regulations. That's why it is arbitrary.

It's not "arbitrary".

That's an "out" that people try to use when they want to avoid
facing reality.

There's no "Farnsworth CSCE" in existance, Brain.

Hi! Tell it to the ARRL VEC.

I'll tell it to them all.

There's no "Farnsworth CSCE". Not in the ARRL VEC, the W%YI, VEC,
or any of the others.

It doesn't exist.

He's the Dick Clark of Amateur Radio. The USA's most immature Extra.

Nope....we'll hold that "honor" for you, Brain.

I'm no Extra.

So right on so many levels.

Brain and Markie on the same "team"...A gene pool that still
doesn't come up to a 2 digit number...

Steve and Bruce on the same team.

Bruce who?

If you're refering to N8DOS (SK), why shouldn't we be? He was my
father.

If you refer to ULX, well, there's yet another silly assertion on
YOUR part that will never stand the test of scrutiny...

Steve, K4YZ