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#11
July 22nd 05, 09:35 PM
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Predictions: - There will be a lot of debate and commentary. But in the end FCC will just dump Element 1 and make no other changes. Probably ...can't see much of anything else happening of note .. - There will be a lot of upgrades and a short-term peak in licenses. But not long term growth. Definately ....I don't really see a mass exodus from 2 meters to the HF phone bands ....come to think about it there isn't a heck of a lot going on about the 2 meter band here either ...... - The HF/MF bands will not be overrun with more activity. I hope that I am wrong but I do agree .... I think that the majority of those who want to be on HF would already be there .... one thing fer sure is that they ain't gonna be on CW ..... again wherein lies the true sadness ..... - There will not be a "revolution" in technology used by hams brought by the new folks. Wait a second Jim ....I know this will happen ...the no-code tech business was just too early and on the wrong bands .... give 'em 6 months and we will all be using those new whizz bang modes with a half watt into a 2 foot antenna on 20 meters ... I may dare say that DXCC will be available to all with in 48 hours with fantistic influx of MIT and CMU grads ..... I personally know 20 engineers who have avoided getting their ticket due to the CW requirement .... 15 of them called me last night to see when the next nocode HF test will be .........yeahhh right .... - The focus will shift to a debate about widening the 'phone subbands or even having no mode subbands at all. I only want Lebensraum fom my people ..... just a little ...... besides the propagation on the freebands have been iffy at best of late ........ That is a for sure there Jim ...the NC tact will rear its head into the true reason of its existance ....we will be calling each other citizen as the guillotine falls on the neck of the CW subbands ..... as crickets can be heard between QSOs on both phone and CW ....... 73 de Jim, N2EY Back to 40 CW and listening for hints of that new whizbang mode ........ 73 KI3R Belle Vernon Pa .... |
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#12
July 22nd 05, 09:41 PM
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- There will be a lot of debate and commentary. But in the end FCC will just dump Element 1 and make no other changes. As far as the FCC is concerned, they are just a regulatory agency. If something serves no regulatory purpose, then why have it? |
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#13
July 22nd 05, 11:23 PM
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wrote in message ups.com... Observations: - Although the majority of individuals who commented on the 18 proposals supported code testing, FCC proposes to completely eliminate it. - There were a lot of ideas in the 18 proposals other than the code test. FCC simply denied all suggestions for change *except* dumping Element 1. Free upgrades for Advanceds and Novices? New entry level classes? More HF bandspace/modes for Novices and Tech Pluses? "No" to all of them. - The changes of 2000 brought a lot of upgrades and some short-term growth, but now the number of individuals with unexpired US ham licenses is almost 10,000 below what it was in May of 2000. Nor has there been any sort of "techno-revolution" from the reductions in code testing. Predictions: - There will be a lot of debate and commentary. But in the end FCC will just dump Element 1 and make no other changes. - There will be a lot of upgrades and a short-term peak in licenses. But not long term growth. - The HF/MF bands will not be overrun with more activity. - There will not be a "revolution" in technology used by hams brought by the new folks. - The focus will shift to a debate about widening the 'phone subbands or even having no mode subbands at all. 73 de Jim, N2EY That's the way I see it too. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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#14
July 22nd 05, 11:25 PM
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"Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... I suggest that the Ham who wants to be thought of as superior establish that superiority by example, not by grousing or ridiculing the new folks. Foster the idea that good manners and technical acumen is a good thing. Just some thoughts..... - Mike KB3EIA - Not superior Mike, just more proficient as a radio operator, with more communication capabilities than those without cw capabilities. Better able to serve his/her community. Etc. Dan/W4NTI |
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#16
July 22nd 05, 11:34 PM
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"Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... wrote: Observations: - Although the majority of individuals who commented on the 18 proposals supported code testing, FCC proposes to completely eliminate it. - There were a lot of ideas in the 18 proposals other than the code test. FCC simply denied all suggestions for change *except* dumping Element 1. Free upgrades for Advanceds and Novices? New entry level classes? More HF bandspace/modes for Novices and Tech Pluses? "No" to all of them. - The changes of 2000 brought a lot of upgrades and some short-term growth, but now the number of individuals with unexpired US ham licenses is almost 10,000 below what it was in May of 2000. Nor has there been any sort of "techno-revolution" from the reductions in code testing. Predictions: - There will be a lot of debate and commentary. But in the end FCC will just dump Element 1 and make no other changes. Agreed - There will be a lot of upgrades and a short-term peak in licenses. But not long term growth. Agreed - The HF/MF bands will not be overrun with more activity. MOre activity, but not likely overrun. - There will not be a "revolution" in technology used by hams brought by the new folks. No, certainly not brought about by the new folks - as a group. But I don't doubt that some of the new folks may very well involved. - The focus will shift to a debate about widening the 'phone subbands or even having no mode subbands at all. Yawn! That won't be anywhere near as much fun as the Element 1 debate! One more thing that will happen, and I hope it doesn't. I anticipate a bit of class warfare, as (some of) the code tested try to establish superiority over the great unwashed who enter the ARS. Let's hope not. A prospective ham can only follow the licensing procedure in place at the time he/she licenses. The important issue now, as it has always been, is the post licensing personal development. Quite frankly, that will make those so called elite a worse problem than the newbies coming into the service. Now will be a time for Elmering and openness. I've sat and listened to enough grumbling about Nickel Extras such as myself, right to my face, from OT's who haven't done a thing for the service for years, talk about how "Any idiot can become a Ham now." This happens more often than it should. I would've gotten right in their faces and asked them what they had done lately for ham radio. I intend to provide as much help to the newcomers as possible, instead of grousing about the "good old days", and steely eyed F.C.C testing agents. Yup. There's no point in grousing. Besides one can turn the old requirements into an icebreaker just by telling the story in a humorous way. That I support Element 1 testing is of no consequence to the new people. Absolutely correct. Of course, I'll attempt to foster learning the code and code use. I'll just tell them about the rare and exotic DX that I've found only on CW. And how most contests offer extra points for CW. I suggest that the Ham who wants to be thought of as superior establish that superiority by example, not by grousing or ridiculing the new folks. Foster the idea that good manners and technical acumen is a good thing. That is the only true measure. Just some thoughts..... - Mike KB3EIA - Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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#17
July 22nd 05, 11:47 PM
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I think the part in my hair is much better than yours. Yes it is, I
am a much more professional "hair parter!" However, if you wish me wrong, seems like you will need a wig!!! ROFLOL!!!!! John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message news  "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... I suggest that the Ham who wants to be thought of as superior establish that superiority by example, not by grousing or ridiculing the new folks. Foster the idea that good manners and technical acumen is a good thing. Just some thoughts..... - Mike KB3EIA - Not superior Mike, just more proficient as a radio operator, with more communication capabilities than those without cw capabilities. Better able to serve his/her community. Etc. Dan/W4NTI |
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#18
July 22nd 05, 11:53 PM
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Dee:
Oh you and your feminine wiles. I do already hear your "sirens song" and fear for the lives of those men you will sing of CW to... Yes, I will bet that you can wreck more than one young man on the shoals and dangerous reefs of CW. Me, I will just tell 'em about the rare and luscious females I have met in obscure and out-of-the-way pubs and the wonders I have beheld there... grin .... maybe offer to buy 'em a beer and argue antenna theory with 'em... John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... wrote: Observations: - Although the majority of individuals who commented on the 18 proposals supported code testing, FCC proposes to completely eliminate it. - There were a lot of ideas in the 18 proposals other than the code test. FCC simply denied all suggestions for change *except* dumping Element 1. Free upgrades for Advanceds and Novices? New entry level classes? More HF bandspace/modes for Novices and Tech Pluses? "No" to all of them. - The changes of 2000 brought a lot of upgrades and some short-term growth, but now the number of individuals with unexpired US ham licenses is almost 10,000 below what it was in May of 2000. Nor has there been any sort of "techno-revolution" from the reductions in code testing. Predictions: - There will be a lot of debate and commentary. But in the end FCC will just dump Element 1 and make no other changes. Agreed - There will be a lot of upgrades and a short-term peak in licenses. But not long term growth. Agreed - The HF/MF bands will not be overrun with more activity. MOre activity, but not likely overrun. - There will not be a "revolution" in technology used by hams brought by the new folks. No, certainly not brought about by the new folks - as a group. But I don't doubt that some of the new folks may very well involved. - The focus will shift to a debate about widening the 'phone subbands or even having no mode subbands at all. Yawn! That won't be anywhere near as much fun as the Element 1 debate! One more thing that will happen, and I hope it doesn't. I anticipate a bit of class warfare, as (some of) the code tested try to establish superiority over the great unwashed who enter the ARS. Let's hope not. A prospective ham can only follow the licensing procedure in place at the time he/she licenses. The important issue now, as it has always been, is the post licensing personal development. Quite frankly, that will make those so called elite a worse problem than the newbies coming into the service. Now will be a time for Elmering and openness. I've sat and listened to enough grumbling about Nickel Extras such as myself, right to my face, from OT's who haven't done a thing for the service for years, talk about how "Any idiot can become a Ham now." This happens more often than it should. I would've gotten right in their faces and asked them what they had done lately for ham radio. I intend to provide as much help to the newcomers as possible, instead of grousing about the "good old days", and steely eyed F.C.C testing agents. Yup. There's no point in grousing. Besides one can turn the old requirements into an icebreaker just by telling the story in a humorous way. That I support Element 1 testing is of no consequence to the new people. Absolutely correct. Of course, I'll attempt to foster learning the code and code use. I'll just tell them about the rare and exotic DX that I've found only on CW. And how most contests offer extra points for CW. I suggest that the Ham who wants to be thought of as superior establish that superiority by example, not by grousing or ridiculing the new folks. Foster the idea that good manners and technical acumen is a good thing. That is the only true measure. Just some thoughts..... - Mike KB3EIA - Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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#19
July 22nd 05, 11:54 PM
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Lawyers???
GAWD MAN, that is a joke!!! They need psychiatrists to get these guys over there penis envy.... errr, strike that, I meant "CW FIXATION!" ROFLOL!!!! John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message nk.net... It's not amazing at all. The FCC consists mainly of Lawyers now a days. Using a technical argument in a brief is a waste of time. Want proof? Read the BPL garbage. Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... an_old_pervert: Duh! Think about it, they were not just asking for comments on peoples likes, dislikes and wants... They actually wanted relevant arguments of worth, purpose and logic to be presented--obliviously, when none could be presented which posed sufficient reasons for keeping it--it was decided to drop it. Imagine that, using logic and worth to decide something--now you don't see that type of common sense these days--how dare they do something like that!!! ROFLOL!!!! John "an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Observations: - Although the majority of individuals who commented on the 18 proposals supported code testing, FCC proposes to completely eliminate it. which show the strengh of the augue emnts against continued code testing - There were a lot of ideas in the 18 proposals other than the code test. FCC simply denied all suggestions for change *except* dumping Element 1. Free upgrades for Advanceds and Novices? New entry level classes? More HF bandspace/modes for Novices and Tech Pluses? "No" to all of them. wrong they considered and rejected them The FCC is taking one of the easist ways out as should have been expected - The changes of 2000 brought a lot of upgrades and some short-term growth, but now the number of individuals with unexpired US ham licenses is almost 10,000 below what it was in May of 2000. Nor has there been any sort of "techno-revolution" from the reductions in code testing. none promised you a revolution i was arround and Know you nor anyone else was promised a revolution Predictions: - There will be a lot of debate and commentary. But in the end FCC will just dump Element 1 and make no other changes. most likely right - There will be a lot of upgrades and a short-term peak in licenses. But not long term growth. maybe all we can hope for form just the rules is to slow the bleeding next stepp is up to us if we can't shakes the notion that Ham radio is still back in what is seen as the dark ages of radio we have some real hope - The HF/MF bands will not be overrun with more activity. - There will not be a "revolution" in technology used by hams brought by the new folks. no revolution was promised merely progress - The focus will shift to a debate about widening the 'phone subbands or even having no mode subbands at all. the discusion hasalways included that so you are safe Your tone seems to me to forsee fear that your your preffered mode is going to squeezed out 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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#20
July 22nd 05, 11:57 PM
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Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... I suggest that the Ham who wants to be thought of as superior establish that superiority by example, not by grousing or ridiculing the new folks. Foster the idea that good manners and technical acumen is a good thing. Just some thoughts..... - Mike KB3EIA - Not superior Mike, just more proficient as a radio operator, with more communication capabilities than those without cw capabilities. Better able to serve his/her community. Etc. but cw capcitiy exists without testing for it Indeed I have CW capablities at my station NOW, just use machines to get it Dan/W4NTI |
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